Birmingham Crash
Discussion
Downward said:
Stupid this road is pretty nasty as it is never mind racing down it. So many turn offs where cars are still in the carriageway.
It’s not Birmingham either. Is it classed as Dudley that part or Coseley ?
Just Dudley, Coseley is north of that. My dad worked at Thomas Dudley Ltd which is right on that road.It’s not Birmingham either. Is it classed as Dudley that part or Coseley ?
I assume media etc just saw the road name and classed it as Birmingham.
Did we have the same thoughts about colour and race when two white boys killed four people in a crash , one a baby. Thought not.
https://news.sky.com/story/brothers-jailed-for-chi...
As for the speculation on the boys killed maybe not wearing seatbelts or whatever, it doesn't take much impact for an adults heart to detach itself on impact, about 15 mph hitting a wall can do it, how do I know? The Police told me on my motorcycle safety course. Speculate all you want now..
https://news.sky.com/story/brothers-jailed-for-chi...
As for the speculation on the boys killed maybe not wearing seatbelts or whatever, it doesn't take much impact for an adults heart to detach itself on impact, about 15 mph hitting a wall can do it, how do I know? The Police told me on my motorcycle safety course. Speculate all you want now..
Its Wolverhampton, I know this area well and its quite a horrible junction, multiple side roads all converging and the dual carriageway going out towards Black Country route where plenty of people race around at daft speeds.
Side impact crash often the worst for injuries as there is less safety measures on the side of a car, less distance from the impact for passengers and the human body less able to handle it. Real tragedy for the two young lads involved and the family, mother also seriously injured. Hopefully they get hold of the S3 driver soon enough.
Side impact crash often the worst for injuries as there is less safety measures on the side of a car, less distance from the impact for passengers and the human body less able to handle it. Real tragedy for the two young lads involved and the family, mother also seriously injured. Hopefully they get hold of the S3 driver soon enough.
Harji said:
Did we have the same thoughts about colour and race when two white boys killed four people in a crash , one a baby. Thought not.
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Speak for yourself, not for me..
I thought those lads in your link were scum, they lived as if the law didn't matter to them, therefore they didn't give a toss about others or the damage they could and eventually did cause.
That same issue appplies to areas of the young Asian population in our cities as much as the white youth.
I read the story, noticed the area, then the cars and immediately guessed at young Asians street racing, want to know why, well here's another stereotype for you.......young white plastic gangsters are all about front, about violence but young Asian plastic gangsters are all about show. That's why when some idiot white boy gets nailed by the police they are usually in a dull car or a knackered corsa but the youth of places like Bradford etc prefer to show off their "wealth" by way of cars, I know as I have experiences of I even from many years ago in my own misspent youth.
Seems some on here though see the word Asian and straight away are itching for a race argument instead of seeing it as a descriptive, even in its slang term such as "bruv innit", might surprise some of you shouty types with no actual experiences of the issue but that's how many speak...........keep your heads in the sand though, it's more comfortable that way.
Yet again, from posts on here we see the self appointed intelligencia being more ignorant than they think. Just dying to pull out the cards in order to stifle reality and try to confront or resolve the issues.
RIP to those poor kids and thoughts are with the mother and what lies ahead for her, poor poor woman...........
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 16th March 06:30
SidewaysSi said:
Asians eh? Yep those Malaysians I bet. Or the Sri Lankans. Got to be that lot. 
I think the regi plate tells us all about which Asian community he’ll belong too. My moneys on he owns a restaurant that sells spicy food None of that’s important though what is though is the Bentley wasn’t in the collision so I think the “causing death” part of the charge is really pushing it. I think with good representation he’ll see away that charge but the eyewitnesses accounts of the racing will see a dangerous driving charge stick (as well as miss spacing a registration number)
The guy will be all probability be a prize twit but I don’t think jail, despite the horrific unintended outcome, really is the place for someone who does something stupid on the roads.
And credit to him, he stopped rather than doing a runner like the other fella. I suppose a big Bentley with a stupid regi plate meant he couldn’t
Jbeale96 said:
Had to give my 9 month old a kiss and a big cuddle after reading this.
Cannot even begin to imagine what that poor family, and all those who attended, are going through.
And for what? That family is going to have to live with the fact that they’ve lost 2 innocent children over a bit of pathetic and mindless street racing for the rest of their lives.
Lock the
s up and throw away the key.
I agree. I can't even imagine what it would be like to have your two children taken away in an instant, particularly over something mindless like this. Cannot even begin to imagine what that poor family, and all those who attended, are going through.
And for what? That family is going to have to live with the fact that they’ve lost 2 innocent children over a bit of pathetic and mindless street racing for the rest of their lives.
Lock the
s up and throw away the key. 
Could the Audi be stolen? It is in the area where they all get nicked.
What an awful tragedy. I will not pre-judge the circumstances of this incident and my thoughts are with the victims and their family.
I will say this: I would like to see the law changed, so that those who cause death by driving dangerously or recklessly as to the consequences could be prosecuted for manslaughter. As far as I know (and please correct me if I am wrong), that is not currently possible. Another approach would be to amend the applicable sentencing laws to achieve a similar outcome.
There is no good reason to treat situations where vehicles are involved differently from others.
I will say this: I would like to see the law changed, so that those who cause death by driving dangerously or recklessly as to the consequences could be prosecuted for manslaughter. As far as I know (and please correct me if I am wrong), that is not currently possible. Another approach would be to amend the applicable sentencing laws to achieve a similar outcome.
There is no good reason to treat situations where vehicles are involved differently from others.
Andy Meads said:
There is no good reason to treat situations where vehicles are involved differently from others.
I think there is. Imho There’s no intent here and although no doubt the driving would be awful to cause this there are countless instances of wreckless driving on a daily basis that don’t end like this.
st4 said:
I think there is.
Imho There’s no intent here and although no doubt the driving would be awful to cause this there are countless instances of wreckless driving on a daily basis that don’t end like this.
I see your point. But in other areas of life if I, without positively intending to do so, act so recklessly or negligently as to cause the death of another person, I could be prosecuted for gross negligence manslaughter. Imho There’s no intent here and although no doubt the driving would be awful to cause this there are countless instances of wreckless driving on a daily basis that don’t end like this.
For example, the owners of that bouncy castle that took off in high winds, killing a young child, were successfully prosecuted for manslaughter by gross negligence. They did not intend to hurt her, I am sure. But their negligence was the cause of her death. Why should driving be any different?
I stress I am distinguishing between the above and situations where errors lead to deaths in the absence of recklessness or gross negligence. That can affect any driver and I would not put it in the same category as the above.
It would be for the courts in each case to determine whether an offence is made out, i.e. whether the necessary standard of recklessness or gross negligence has been met rather than a less culpable error having been made.
Shakermaker said:
Speed cameras turned off to save money?
Never heard that one before. Certainly goes against the oft-cited belief on here that they are only ever put in place to make money
The haters think they magically exist without any requirement for routine checks, maintenance, monthly calibration, staff costs to visit, staff costs to process and associated court and admin costs to process when people appeal. Never heard that one before. Certainly goes against the oft-cited belief on here that they are only ever put in place to make money
But anyway.
I think that's no seatbelts. Any car would deform more when t boned at high speed. That's head strike injury?
st4 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Asians eh? Yep those Malaysians I bet. Or the Sri Lankans. Got to be that lot.
I think the regi plate tells us all about which Asian community he’ll belong too. My moneys on he owns a restaurant that sells spicy food None of that’s important though what is though is the Bentley wasn’t in the collision so I think the “causing death” part of the charge is really pushing it. I think with good representation he’ll see away that charge but the eyewitnesses accounts of the racing will see a dangerous driving charge stick (as well as miss spacing a registration number)
The guy will be all probability be a prize twit but I don’t think jail, despite the horrific unintended outcome, really is the place for someone who does something stupid on the roads.
And credit to him, he stopped rather than doing a runner like the other fella. I suppose a big Bentley with a stupid regi plate meant he couldn’t
Sa Calobra said:
The haters think they magically exist without any requirement for routine checks, maintenance, monthly calibration, staff costs to visit, staff costs to process and associated court and admin costs to process when people appeal.
But anyway.
I think that's no seatbelts. Any car would deform more when t boned at high speed. That's head strike injury?
Most speed cameras I know of in the Midlands have been turned off for a while. I don't know of any that work in solihull, tamworth or wolverhampton/walsall area. All for the reasons you state.But anyway.
I think that's no seatbelts. Any car would deform more when t boned at high speed. That's head strike injury?
Andy Meads said:
I see your point. But in other areas of life if I, without positively intending to do so, act so recklessly or negligently as to cause the death of another person, I could be prosecuted for gross negligence manslaughter.
For example, the owners of that bouncy castle that took off in high winds, killing a young child, were successfully prosecuted for manslaughter by gross negligence. They did not intend to hurt her, I am sure. But their negligence was the cause of her death. Why should driving be any different?
I stress I am distinguishing between the above and situations where errors lead to deaths in the absence of recklessness or gross negligence. That can affect any driver and I would not put it in the same category as the above.
It would be for the courts in each case to determine whether an offence is made out, i.e. whether the necessary standard of recklessness or gross negligence has been met rather than a less culpable error having been made.
I think because driving is such a day to day activity and events like this are usually so unexpected even with the type of driving involved. But it’s a valid point you’ve made.For example, the owners of that bouncy castle that took off in high winds, killing a young child, were successfully prosecuted for manslaughter by gross negligence. They did not intend to hurt her, I am sure. But their negligence was the cause of her death. Why should driving be any different?
I stress I am distinguishing between the above and situations where errors lead to deaths in the absence of recklessness or gross negligence. That can affect any driver and I would not put it in the same category as the above.
It would be for the courts in each case to determine whether an offence is made out, i.e. whether the necessary standard of recklessness or gross negligence has been met rather than a less culpable error having been made.
My question is, or thought rather is that it’s very outcome based. Let’s say the car that was hit here didn’t have children in it - just one adult occupant who escaped with minor injuries. Would you, or the courts, be advocating such a serious charge. In all probability probably not despite the actions of the driver being the same.
As it were (up here in scotland where anything car related is treated with the utmost vigour) The “causing death” element usually carries a long jail stretch. There was one up my way that got 7 years. Culpible homocide usually carries a broadly similar stretch.
kev1974 said:
There are average speed cameras on some stretches of the A406 North Circular around London. Speed limits vary 30/40/50 depending on the exact location. They do nothing to stop lunatics that weave in and out of "normal speed" traffic.
And they certainly don't eliminate speeding, I don't know whether they're actually turned off, or have a generous threshold above the limit, or tons of the cars on there are either stolen or on false plates, or drivers are clever about where the cameras are relative to where they joined the road or intend to leave it. But I still see vehicles rocketing past me at way above the posted speed limit every time I go on that road. The worst part is the flyover above Staples Corner and the westbound junction just before it, it's signed as 40mph but that seems to be the absolute minimum speed people do over it!
Same thing happens at the bottom of the M11 as you leave the motorway and join the A406 southbound and cross the border into Redbridge and Ilford. The standard of driving immediately drops to lunatic standards. You regularly see cars flying down this stretch of a406 weaving in and out of the traffic at way over the speed limit despite speed cameras.And they certainly don't eliminate speeding, I don't know whether they're actually turned off, or have a generous threshold above the limit, or tons of the cars on there are either stolen or on false plates, or drivers are clever about where the cameras are relative to where they joined the road or intend to leave it. But I still see vehicles rocketing past me at way above the posted speed limit every time I go on that road. The worst part is the flyover above Staples Corner and the westbound junction just before it, it's signed as 40mph but that seems to be the absolute minimum speed people do over it!
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