RE: Shaken, not stirred: The Goldfinger DB5

RE: Shaken, not stirred: The Goldfinger DB5

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Muzzer79

9,806 posts

186 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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Davey S2 said:
After the film Aston built 2 replica press DB5's which were later bought by JCB Boss Sir Anthony Bamford for £1,500 for the pair.

He then swapped one of them for a 1964 Ferrari GTO.
Not a bad investment biggrin

Returning to road legality. I suspect that if you bought one, you could get it on the road as a second-hand vehicle?

If you can afford £2.5m to buy it, I suspect you can afford to get it on the road somehow, if you wanted to.

I'm thinking along the lines of the 'Spectre' Land Rover Defenders that were used on the film. Most of those ended up on the road, despite not being sold as road legal IINM.

I still think it would be a fantastic thing to have. Would I spend my last remaining £2.5m on it? Hell no, but again - this is aimed at people who have sizeable collections

Dr Interceptor

7,743 posts

195 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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If you're wealthy enough to be able to afford one, just by another Silver Birch DB5, and swap the plates over whistle Then drive with much merriment.

RDMcG

19,093 posts

206 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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I wonder who will buy this and what they will do with it?

Also, when the door opens and some nondescript bloke exits,there will be lots of chortles and greetings to 007.



DailyHack

3,123 posts

110 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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utterly gorgeous, and still my favorite cars EVER! Even the DB6 is utterly GAWWWWGEOUS!

Saw a silver birch DB5 parked at outside a body shop in Cheshire, I stopped to speak to the lad about to take it in, asked him who owned it, he said..."ha, I cant tell you that"...they have that awe of enigma about them dont they.

Sebastian Tombs

2,044 posts

191 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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I personally think this is awesome and if I was loaded I'd buy one. Even though it is just a toy and the guns don't work. Because even though I am 46 and have gone through all the things adults go through I am still basically an excited child at heart, and glad to be so.

It's a brand new Aston Martin DB5 in the perfect spec. What's not to love?

I'm sure it can be made road legal *somewhere*. And if it can then it can be driven practically anywhere.
How is Plod going to know this isn't a 1964 car once it has Dubai plates?
And if that doesn't work then you can flip to the Russia or Monaco ones.

(see, one of the gadgets will work as intended!)

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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Or if you don't have a spare couple of million down the back of the sofa:

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/dr-mad-thrust-machine-...

Thorburn

2,398 posts

192 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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Muzzer79 said:
I think it's monumentally cool and if I was a multi-billionaire I'd have one stored in my underground car compound, to use on my private track whilst pretending to out-run Asian henchmen in Mercedes', in a heartbeat smile
I suspect if you actually tracked a DB5 you'd find it a rather unpleasant experience. A friend who owned one described it as "the worlds prettiest truck".
They are achingly pretty, but good cars they are not.

It does rather seem that Aston have resorted to churning out an endless stream of multi-million pound, exclusive cars to milk their fan base dry.

Edited by Thorburn on Wednesday 15th May 22:06

Centurion07

10,381 posts

246 months

Thursday 16th May 2019
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Colonel D said:
The thing is, the people that buy these won't be leasing, they'll be buying them, they won't just have 3 million, and buy the car, they'll most likely have a collection of supercars, and a a billion or so left for the next toy that comes along.

This car is utterly pointless, and I think that's brilliant, anyone moaning about fake oil slick, fake guns etc are idiots. It's not supposed to be turned into real weapons, it's the idea behind it. Many people who have watched the films would have thought how cool would it be to see it and own it. Not to fire guns, eject a passenger, or cause mayhem spraying oil on the road, bring back memories of the time you first seen it, give you a little imagination sitting in the front seat. That's exactly what AM are doing. In a world of bland, boring cars, something stupid like this is a welcome break. Not trying to have 10,000 HP and do 400MPH on the road, not going hybrid or another ugly SUV, but a silly project, making clear it's not for the road and it's not a track toy. It's making one of their most iconic cars from AM and Bond films, it was never going to be mass produced, yes the price is a little excessive but I'm sure the money made from these will be put to use on more modern, better road and track cars. For that I applaud AM and anyone lucky enough to purchase one of these.
And therein lies the point that you are missing; you don't own anything of the sort.

It's not a genuine DB5.

It's not a genuine prop that was used in the movie.

It's "weapons" are nothing of the sort.

It's not road legal.

It'll be a piece of crap on track.

Congratulations, you've spent three million quid on, well, nothing.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 16th May 2019
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Centurion07 said:
And therein lies the point that you are missing; you don't own anything of the sort.

It's not a genuine DB5.

It's not a genuine prop that was used in the movie.

It's "weapons" are nothing of the sort.

It's not road legal.

It'll be a piece of crap on track.

Congratulations, you've spent three million quid on, well, nothing.
This part, in bold. Could you explain why it isn't a genuine DB5? Because the team who are building them at AM Works (I know one of them; hi Sam, if you're reading this biggrin ), will gladly show you that these are every bit as genuine as a car from 1964. Built from the same materials, using the same construction methods, in the same building the original cars were built. IMO it doesn't get more genuine than that - I honestly don't understand what your expectations of a 'genuine' continuation car are.

Regarding it being a waste because it doesn't have working guns and isn't a track car - have you ever considered that someone might buy something as an object, because it's an object. Would you give an art collector as hard a time for spending millions on a painting? Would you give a car collector who perhaps buys up old Group C cars or Vintage F1 cars a hard time, because they elect to sit them indoors and just admire them rather than take them racing? Surely that irk someone more than a collection of cars that are as much movie memorabilia as they are vehicles?

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 16th May 13:00

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

224 months

Thursday 16th May 2019
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Ok then, here's the thing - could they not have simply bought an original DB5 and rebuilt every nut and bolt and done the gadgets etc...and bingo - road legal, age related plate, etc etc??

Seems like a really easy solution to the 'road legal' problem, if that really is the reason.

Perhaps that's what I am missing - I simply don't understand why I would choose to spend £3m on one of these, as opposed to going to AM with an original DB5 that has seen better days and handing it to them with a budget of £2.5m to rebuild from the ground up and add some 007 fakery.

I then get the best of all worlds - a 'brand new' DB5 with fake Bond bits AND I can take it to the pub on a sunny Sunday if the mood takes me.

Centurion07

10,381 posts

246 months

Thursday 16th May 2019
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You've answered your own question there. It's not from the sixties and I will concede that that is the least of the issues I mentioned.

In the case of your painting analogy, I think this would be more like Da Vinci doing another few copies of the Mona Lisa and banging them out for a ridiculous sum 50yrs after the first. Sure, they're by the original artist but they're definitely not THE original.

As to the collector of old sportscars...that is precisely the point I'm making. Those are the genuine article. These new DB5's are neither "genuine" DB5's nor genuine movie props actually used in the films. So you have a three million pound car that can't be driven on the road, is a waste of time on track, with no movie provenence and essentially non-functioning special effects.

Edited by Centurion07 on Thursday 16th May 13:02

AJB88

12,263 posts

170 months

Thursday 16th May 2019
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NFC 85 Vette said:
This part, in bold. Could you explain why it isn't a genuine DB5? Because the team who are building them at AM Works (I know one of them; hi Sam, if you're reading this biggrin ), will gladly show you that these are every bit as genuine as a car from 1964. Built from the same materials, using the same construction methods, in the same building the original cars were built. IMO it doesn't get more genuine than that - I honestly don't understand what your expectations of a 'genuine' continuation car are.

Regarding it being a waste because it doesn't have working guns and isn't a track car - have you ever considered that someone might buy something as an object, because it's an object. Would you give an art collector as hard a time for spending millions on a painting? Would you give a car collector who perhaps buys up old Group C cars or Vintage F1 cars a hard time, because they elect to sit them indoors and just admire them rather than take them racing? Surely that irk someone more than a collector of cars that are as much movie memorabilia as they car vehicles?
I live across the road from AMW, and my understanding of the factory layout (I moved her after they demolished most of it) is that the original cars were built across the road where the housing development is now, so if you want to be that really picky person (not me) you could say its not the same building!

but still the spiritual home of AM.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 16th May 2019
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AJB88 said:
I live across the road from AMW, and my understanding of the factory layout (I moved her after they demolished most of it) is that the original cars were built across the road where the housing development is now, so if you want to be that really picky person (not me) you could say its not the same building!

but still the spiritual home of AM.
I'm not that picky either, but this is PH, so there's bound to be someone, somewhere, forensically dissecting posts laugh
My point was more that every effort has been made to make the Goldfinger car as original as possible - as you can tell, I'm quite a fan of what they're doing, and am probably in the minority. The closest I'll ever get to these things was seeing the Goldeneye DB5 in the metal at the Bond in Motion exhibition last year (along with things like a Esprit sub and a hopped up Tuk-tuk biggrin ).

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

260 months

Thursday 16th May 2019
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Centurion07 said:
In the case of your painting analogy, I think this would be more like Da Vinci doing another few copies of the Mona Lisa and banging them out for a ridiculous sum 50yrs after the first. Sure, they're by the original artist but they're definitely not THE original.
The difference is the DB5 was a production car at least by Aston standards, not a one off.

Back in the 70s someone built a Sopwith Camel (maybe a Pup, not sure) to the original plans with the original components. Great debate ensued as to whether it was a replica or a real one, given that the originals were produced by posting a set of plans to any woodworking factory with some spare capacity.
Then Tommy Sopwith came to inspect it and announced that as far as he was concerned it was a real 'late production' Sopwith.


If AM call it a DB5 then it's a DB5, albeit a very silly one.

Muzzer79

9,806 posts

186 months

Thursday 16th May 2019
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AJB88 said:
NFC 85 Vette said:
This part, in bold. Could you explain why it isn't a genuine DB5? Because the team who are building them at AM Works (I know one of them; hi Sam, if you're reading this biggrin ), will gladly show you that these are every bit as genuine as a car from 1964. Built from the same materials, using the same construction methods, in the same building the original cars were built. IMO it doesn't get more genuine than that - I honestly don't understand what your expectations of a 'genuine' continuation car are.

Regarding it being a waste because it doesn't have working guns and isn't a track car - have you ever considered that someone might buy something as an object, because it's an object. Would you give an art collector as hard a time for spending millions on a painting? Would you give a car collector who perhaps buys up old Group C cars or Vintage F1 cars a hard time, because they elect to sit them indoors and just admire them rather than take them racing? Surely that irk someone more than a collector of cars that are as much movie memorabilia as they car vehicles?
I live across the road from AMW, and my understanding of the factory layout (I moved her after they demolished most of it) is that the original cars were built across the road where the housing development is now, so if you want to be that really picky person (not me) you could say its not the same building!

but still the spiritual home of AM.
Hmmm. Engines were predominantly built on one side and bodywork on the other.

I like to think of the factory as one compound that happened to have Tickford Street running through it biggrin

(Former Poets Estate resident here thumbup )


AJB88

12,263 posts

170 months

Thursday 16th May 2019
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Muzzer79 said:
Hmmm. Engines were predominantly built on one side and bodywork on the other.

I like to think of the factory as one compound that happened to have Tickford Street running through it biggrin

(Former Poets Estate resident here thumbup )
Yeh think your right looking at old photos! I'm hoping somebody does something with the old HQ building which is sitting boarded up in disrepair at the moment.