RE: 620hp McLaren GT officially unveiled

RE: 620hp McLaren GT officially unveiled

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C.MW

89 posts

10 months

Thursday 16th May
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Yawn. How long are they going to continue building cars with the same engine and on the same platform? If it's a GT car then shouldn't it at least look significantly different from their sports car line up?

broncoupe

85 posts

167 months

Thursday 16th May
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most elegant Mc to date, defiantly losing the brashness.

Gameface

8,416 posts

18 months

Thursday 16th May
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For all their technology and resources, McLaren seem blind to the fact you also need some inspiration and flair.


Maldini35

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2,004 posts

129 months

Thursday 16th May
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rkanaga said:
Likewise, I don't see the point in this car.

One one level it's a cut price Chiron, however a large part of the point of a Chiron is to demonstrate extreme disposable wealth and for that purpose this car is just too damn cheap! (just like few people will buy a new NSX because it is a cut price 918 spider).

So if it's a cross continent GT, then any number of cars already do that pretty well and to my eyes look so much more elegant (Bentley Continental, Lexus LC500, Aston DB11, BMW M850 - the list goes on)

GT's are not about ultimate cornering performance and so there is a reason that none of those are mid engined, it brings too many compromises. Even Ferrari accept that. And if you really want to believe that your GT car is all about handling, then you don't stick your golf clubs on a parcel shelf high up behind your head.

If it's a performance oriented road car then surely the existing range have that covered as well and so do Lambo, Ferrari, Porsche etc.

For the track, if you really want to enjoy full on driving then a dedicated track car such as a Caterham, Radical, Atom in whatever state of tune matches your abilities (or even a BAC) is surely better?

It seems to me to be a compromise for the driver who is too poor to own more than one car to fulfil each of these specific needs, and yet has £200K to spend, a bit of a contradiction in terms I would have thought?

It seems that they are obsessed with using the same carbon tub approach across the range, even when it brings more limitations than benefits, and as a still small manufacturer, lack the funds to invest in a really diverse range of engines. Stretching themselves when they clearly have struggled to meet customer service and reliability standards shows a very strange set of priorities.

Woking need to understand that churning out more and more models is not the way to build a brand.

Edited by rkanaga on Wednesday 15th May 21:02
Whilst I agree with much of what you say, I do think that you’re missing the point a bit regarding this car.
For us petrolheads the platform share elements may be very obvious but if they are targeting a new buyer, someone who perhaps doesn’t know the brand and is probably not based in the U.K., then this car might make a lot of sense.
It’s something different (not one of the usual suspects) and is on the face of it, a more liveable everyday option than the rest of the range.





redroadster

884 posts

173 months

Thursday 16th May
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LotusOmega375D said:
I haven't felt the need to cross the continent by car since the 1990s. Easyjet and Ryanair saw to that.
Ha ha that's v funny but you are right ,and for record I think it's just another clone of there range ,if you want a gt you need space inside and luxury comes no where near Bentley continental .
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NJJ

160 posts

21 months

Thursday 16th May
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As mentioned earlier I like it and it is rather elegant in the flesh with a lovely interior. But as others have mentioned on here, McLaren whilst launching new derivatives need to better support their existing customer base and their back catalogue. I know of several clients who would love to buy a 12C but would not be brave enough to put pen to paper because of the fear of huge bills. Why do McLaren dealers not support the model, apart from the obvious? It would help firm up values and give more security to those who want to step into the brand.

Step into a Ferrai showroom and you can buy a nearly-new 488 but also a 355 if the mood takes you, admittedly at high prices, but it makes the buyer feel special and they reinforces the impression that they will be looked after. Perhaps this will come in time with McLaren once they are more established, but they certainly need to work on the used side of things. Imagine going into a McLaren showroom and available to buy is a P1, maybe even an F1, McLaren SLR, this new GT and early 12C. If you walk in there with £85k to buy your first 12C, imagine how special you would feel and how you are likely to then stay and progress up through the brand....

Todd Bonzalez

2,033 posts

103 months

Thursday 16th May
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Quite surprised with the generally positive comments on the styling on here.
It looks super old to me. It lacks any drama and sculpture that the 720S did very, very well. Seems like a significant step backwards.
The massive side vents seem an odd choice and the periphery looks straight off the Senna/doesn't gel with the rest of it.
Stylistically it seems like a step back to me and something that should have been competing back in the days of the 430/Gallardo. Not now.
Maybe the worst wheels of the year as well.

Gameface

8,416 posts

18 months

Thursday 16th May
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Agree with that.

Very backward and clumsy compared to the sci-fi 720 styling.

And yes the wheels are awful too.

GranCab

1,454 posts

87 months

Thursday 16th May
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NJJ said:
As mentioned earlier I like it and it is rather elegant in the flesh with a lovely interior. But as others have mentioned on here, McLaren whilst launching new derivatives need to better support their existing customer base and their back catalogue. I know of several clients who would love to buy a 12C but would not be brave enough to put pen to paper because of the fear of huge bills. Why do McLaren dealers not support the model, apart from the obvious? It would help firm up values and give more security to those who want to step into the brand.

Step into a Ferrai showroom and you can buy a nearly-new 488 but also a 355 if the mood takes you, admittedly at high prices, but it makes the buyer feel special and they reinforces the impression that they will be looked after. Perhaps this will come in time with McLaren once they are more established, but they certainly need to work on the used side of things. Imagine going into a McLaren showroom and available to buy is a P1, maybe even an F1, McLaren SLR, this new GT and early 12C. If you walk in there with £85k to buy your first 12C, imagine how special you would feel and how you are likely to then stay and progress up through the brand....
Spot on post.

Before I bought my first Ferrari I had bought 4 new Maseratis over the past 16 years from Graypaul and had always received exemplary service from them.

When my Ferrari itch needed to be scratched I looked at several options from a 348 TB via a 430 and a Cali T to a 458 Spider. Graypaul were most helpful with test drives and locating suitable cars for me to choose between. I settled on the 458 and have since ordered a Portofino and an 812 from them.

cjm

457 posts

209 months

Thursday 16th May
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I'm not sure painting it brown makes it a GT, it looks about 2% more practical than a 570/720?!

How much is a windscreen as it looks like it will have a golf club through it the first time you stop quickly?

Edited by cjm on Thursday 16th May 09:57

Streetrod

6,392 posts

147 months

Thursday 16th May
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Will the updated Iris system drip down into the the other models?

subirg

573 posts

217 months

Thursday 16th May
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What a bizarre car. It’s a bitsa compilation as usual. Take a 720 chassis, make it uglier (whoever designs the noses on McLarens needs to be out of their misery pronto), put cheaper engine and suspension bits in, add metal garnish to exhaust tips and some nobs, and voila! Another ‘new’ McLaren! Any tuner could have generated this.

Still, it will probably be an awesome used car bargain in 2-3 years time...

PhantomPH

3,022 posts

166 months

Thursday 16th May
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"Crewe's way of doing things is plainly held in high esteem in Surrey"

He's doing this on purpose now, isn't he?

Wammer

259 posts

129 months

Thursday 16th May
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ManyMotors said:
McLaren makes some really, really quick vehicles. However, they are not very comfortable and I wonder if this may have that issue. As the GT is based on the same Monocell II structure, modified for cargo, I doubt they engineered more space for people larger than five foot nine inches. The comparative room inside a 911 is commodious. But good luck McLaren! Move that metal and try making money.....
Well for a car company that has been around for only 9 years and have sold there 20,000th car i don't think they are doing to bad for themselves. Im sure they they will be very pleased to get your good luck message but i'm not sure they need it.

Targarama

14,247 posts

224 months

Thursday 16th May
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J4CKO said:
LotusOmega375D said:
I haven't felt the need to cross the continent by car since the 1990s. Easyjet and Ryanair saw to that.
Hmm, driving a Mclaren or be herded and crammed onto massive pressurized tube of seething resentment, farts and desperation ?
Exactly. McLaren are great on long roadtrips, very comfortable, not too noisy, quick when needed, over 30mpg at 140kph. Bentleys may be plusher inside, but cars like the Aston Rapide certainly are not.

LotusOmega375D, you're missing one of the few remaining pleasures of motoring, a drive to/up/round The Alps (or similar) in your own time. Beats waiting at Luton airport for Easyjet to allow you to queue in the stairwell then sit in someone else's sick (I fly a lot too, but its no holiday unless long haul/not economy).

Targarama

14,247 posts

224 months

Thursday 16th May
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Wammer said:
ManyMotors said:
McLaren makes some really, really quick vehicles. However, they are not very comfortable and I wonder if this may have that issue. As the GT is based on the same Monocell II structure, modified for cargo, I doubt they engineered more space for people larger than five foot nine inches. The comparative room inside a 911 is commodious. But good luck McLaren! Move that metal and try making money.....
Well for a car company that has been around for only 9 years and have sold there 20,000th car i don't think they are doing to bad for themselves. Im sure they they will be very pleased to get your good luck message but i'm not sure they need it.
As a six ft 4 tall GT owner I can confirm this is bullst. They're very comfortable too. Has ManyMotors ever ridden in one?

Targarama

14,247 posts

224 months

Thursday 16th May
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Streetrod said:
Will the updated Iris system drip down into the the other models?
I wish, but I doubt it since it also controls the HVAC and other things.

cmoose

44,341 posts

170 months

Thursday 16th May
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The Vambo said:
laugh Those studio shots are as true a representation as a Tinder profile picture.

Indeed.



I realise beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to mine this thing looks a little grim.

darrencrook

4 posts

16 months

Thursday 16th May
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Have to say it looks good But if you want a grand tourer with power why not go for a Bentley as your golf clubs won't be bouncing around in the corners.

GranCab

1,454 posts

87 months

Thursday 16th May
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These are also called "GT" by their manufacturers ..... doesn't mean they actually are Grand Touring cars.