RE: 620hp McLaren GT officially unveiled

RE: 620hp McLaren GT officially unveiled

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GranCab

1,454 posts

87 months

Wednesday 15th May
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It's only a "GT" because McLaren's marketing department called it a GT.

Not only will those golf clubs (or miniature skis) smack you on the head in an accident but, if it is anything like the 720S (which it is almost identical to ...), the droning engine noise and tyre roar coming through that open rear deck will drive you mad before you've crossed Surrey - never mind a continent.

B17NNS

18,244 posts

188 months

Wednesday 15th May
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"Grand Touring will never be the same again. The new superlight McLaren GT defies convention. We’ve ripped up the rulebook."

Er, no you haven't. Another week, another McLaren 2 door mid engined, carbon tubbed V8 supercar. Who exactly are they trying to kid by saying they're thinking differently about the grand tourer? They're not thinking differently at all. They're just regurgitating the same car over and over again and changing the name.

Doesn't a GT need space for the many things that you're going to take with you when you go on your grand tour? They can get as many grovelling YouTubers as they like to put golf bags and skis in the back of the thing. Let's see them try with the 'light' bag that your Mrs has packed for the weekend away. And electric seats are a cost option. On a £163k grand tourer.

The McLaren GT - it's quite good for carrying garden slabs from B&Q (and depreciating).

It's not a GT. This is a GT cloud9




NFC 85 Vette

2,422 posts

177 months

Wednesday 15th May
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the_hood said:
Avalyn said:
If you're not a car geek and lined up almost every available McLaren, I think 95% of people would struggle to see why you'd choose one over the other. They all look very similar, have 2 seats (ok 3 in some), and have the same engine albeit in different states of tune.
This. Plus I don't see how this is a GT.
It can fit some golf clubs and a travel bag in the boot, everything that was alcantara, is now leather, and there's some knurled switch gear. For some, that'll be enough to justify it. I think of it more like a supercar with a more useful luggage space.

Hats off to McLaren for daring to ask the question "what makes a GT car, and why are they all like they are?", but was it a question that was generally being answered with something other than "2+2, front engine V12"?

It might be the start of something, and manufacturers begin to question the accepted norms for a particular 'type' or sector of car, it's certainly an interesting talking point. Of course the reply from the more established marques might be something like an F8 Tributo 'Touring', with 100L of extra storage space, comfort leather seats etc biggrin

mickpsu

143 posts

88 months

Wednesday 15th May
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The Vambo said:
No.

If it had 720s eyesockets it would literally be a 720s.
It bears no resemblance to a 720S, except having four wheels. Looks more like a stretched out 570.

davea18h

65 posts

65 months

Wednesday 15th May
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That beigey-brown metallic looks suspiciously similar to my sister's Ford B Max (hideous).....another great car from McLaren though, would look better all one colour imho
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The Vambo

3,214 posts

82 months

Wednesday 15th May
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mickpsu said:
The Vambo said:
No.

If it had 720s eyesockets it would literally be a 720s.
It bears no resemblance to a 720S, except having four wheels. Looks more like a stretched out 570.
Aye, nothing like a 720s. Hard to believe they are even built on the same platform...




Julian Thompson

905 posts

179 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Does look nice though...

dtrump

1,779 posts

132 months

Wednesday 15th May
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The Vambo said:
Aye, nothing like a 720s. Hard to believe they are even built on the same platform...



The one on the bottom looks 5% less sporty.........is it a GT biggrin

rkanaga

252 posts

161 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Likewise, I don't see the point in this car.

One one level it's a cut price Chiron, however a large part of the point of a Chiron is to demonstrate extreme disposable wealth and for that purpose this car is just too damn cheap! (just like few people will buy a new NSX because it is a cut price 918 spider).

So if it's a cross continent GT, then any number of cars already do that pretty well and to my eyes look so much more elegant (Bentley Continental, Lexus LC500, Aston DB11, BMW M850 - the list goes on)

GT's are not about ultimate cornering performance and so there is a reason that none of those are mid engined, it brings too many compromises. Even Ferrari accept that. And if you really want to believe that your GT car is all about handling, then you don't stick your golf clubs on a parcel shelf high up behind your head.

If it's a performance oriented road car then surely the existing range have that covered as well and so do Lambo, Ferrari, Porsche etc.

For the track, if you really want to enjoy full on driving then a dedicated track car such as a Caterham, Radical, Atom in whatever state of tune matches your abilities (or even a BAC) is surely better?

It seems to me to be a compromise for the driver who is too poor to own more than one car to fulfil each of these specific needs, and yet has £200K to spend, a bit of a contradiction in terms I would have thought?

It seems that they are obsessed with using the same carbon tub approach across the range, even when it brings more limitations than benefits, and as a still small manufacturer, lack the funds to invest in a really diverse range of engines. Stretching themselves when they clearly have struggled to meet customer service and reliability standards shows a very strange set of priorities.

Woking need to understand that churning out more and more models is not the way to build a brand.

Edited by rkanaga on Wednesday 15th May 21:02

DS240

2,759 posts

159 months

Wednesday 15th May
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It’s a totally new car... nothing like our other ones... #newrules... total rethink of a GT car.... dunno why you’d want a Bentley GT... you’ve definitely not seen a similar model plan....






E65Ross

22,445 posts

153 months

Wednesday 15th May
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The Vambo said:
Johnny42 said:
This is based on a 720S, but they fixed the dead eyesockets. Is this an admission that the 720S front end styling was a misstep?
No.

If it had 720s eyesockets it would literally be a 720s.
You didn't read the article, did you? The bit about the changes to the engine and its mounts, the changes to the carbon tub, the changes to the exhaust system to accommodate for a different body to allow for a bigger boot....

The Vambo

3,214 posts

82 months

Wednesday 15th May
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E65Ross said:
The Vambo said:
Johnny42 said:
This is based on a 720S, but they fixed the dead eyesockets. Is this an admission that the 720S front end styling was a misstep?
No.

If it had 720s eyesockets it would literally be a 720s.
You didn't read the article, did you? The bit about the changes to the engine and its mounts, the changes to the carbon tub, the changes to the exhaust system to accommodate for a different body to allow for a bigger boot....
And you didn't read the post you quoted that makes it quite clear that the subject is styling rather than engineering.

I suppose that means even you don't read your posts.

herebebeasties

406 posts

160 months

Wednesday 15th May
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570 litres is the same as a Porsche Macan, or a BMW 5 series. Although that may technically be accurate, it's clearly far from really being usable:



IMO they've massively missed a trick here - they had the chance to make a really interesting looking and genuinely practical mid-engined shooting brake. But what do I know?

From where I'm sitting the modern Lotus Europa comparisons seem very apt.

S1KRR

10,123 posts

153 months

Wednesday 15th May
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As numerous times above, this doesn't really fit the idea of a GT for me.

You can claim to invent a "new segment/niche" by rejigging another model in your range.


But it won't change buyers habits. I'll be amazed if 500 people, look at this car and think "yep that's exactly what I need to get me to Verbier/Nice/wherever this year" And that's if you discount that these buyers probably have more than 1 car anyway. And probably a SUV capable of taking all their luggage, dealing with crappy road conditions and 5 adults.

Someone mentioned EasyJet earlier. I agree. Unless you are specifically doing a driving event. Or visiting Le Mans, Spa, Monza why wouldn't you fly to your holiday? Especially when it's never been cheaper.

EDIT TO ADD

With the caveat that I don't and am unlikely ever to own a McLaren. And more of a devils advocate question

With the comparison to Lotus. How much longer can McLaren keep this going? How much longer can they continue to bring more and more carbon tubbed V8TT mid engine cars to market? They have massive funding from the Bahrainis. But I read about product quality issues, not so great dealer networks (delays seem common) That older (relative!) cars are shunted out of the network. 12C owners seem at times to be persona non grata! I read about buyers saying they'll go back to Ferrari, Porsche whoever.

Yet their default response seems to be to release another car. Rather than try and get owners back on side.



Edited by S1KRR on Wednesday 15th May 22:57

belleair302

6,055 posts

148 months

Wednesday 15th May
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If this car is aimed at Europe, the US or Russia where spending ten hours in a car is pretty normal, for Australia, South Africa and Canada longer is way more normal, where do you put all of your stuff for a road trip? Wife needs storage space and room to stretch out, whoever drives will want some music, not road noise and how comfortable is one of these if I am driving from Exeter to Aberdeen for a five day golfing expedition in July? For me a sports coupe is low, fast, demanding and rewarding, so a McLaren fits my needs. A GT is a fast express, with room for a week away in France, a tour across the lakes of Italy or a drive from Los Angeles upto Lake Tahoe. For these I want something way bigger and personally speed isn't that important. A GT Coupe for me is a Mercedes S Class Coupe, not a McLaren.


Edited by belleair302 on Thursday 16th May 00:22

F4R

90 posts

6 months

Thursday 16th May
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Not keen on this at all. Quite honestly, McLaren haven’t made a good looking car since the F1.

I’d go as far as saying that most of their models over the past ten years look the same.

Mclaren seem to entirely focussed on performance instead of styling. If it was the other way round I’m sure they’d sell more cars.

jayemm89

2,222 posts

71 months

Thursday 16th May
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It's not for me. The "regular" McLarens are quite practical for supercars, however trying to claim this is anything other than a very slightly different car to their existing stuff is a touch embarrassing.

The whole #NewRules marketing bit, just seemed very forced. I cannot see how many times McLaren think they can get away with rehashing the same car?

I know people will always scream "But 911!" However Porsche don't pretend a Turbo S is not a 911. They also have a Panamera, Macan, Cayenne, etc....

I'd have loved to see McLaren use their versatile architecture to build a front engined car to take on the DBS/812 crowd.

PRND

1,301 posts

39 months

Thursday 16th May
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J4CKO said:
LotusOmega375D said:
I haven't felt the need to cross the continent by car since the 1990s. Easyjet and Ryanair saw to that.
Hmm, driving a Mclaren or be herded and crammed onto massive pressurized tube of seething resentment, farts and desperation ?
What's the difference?

Lotusgav

25 posts

100 months

Thursday 16th May
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Mclaren have just sold their 20 thousandth car so they’re doing something right.

Apparently, so catchpole says, Mclaren customers asked for this.

Have to say the looks are off for me but they’re already famed for magic ride quality so this is going to be better.

I’d be in the Bentley or GTC4 lusso camp too. But they’ll sell... just makes your daily driver supercar more daily driver...

B17NNS

18,244 posts

188 months

Thursday 16th May
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Lotusgav said:
Apparently, so catchpole says, Mclaren customers asked for this.
I like Catchpole but he’s too nice and he’s reading from the press release lest he not get invited to the next McLaren launch due in probably six weeks or so.

McLaren customers are asking for reliability, service and an understandable and predictable model lifecycle that leads to sensible residuals.