Thursday 6th June 2019

BMW and Jaguar Land Rover collaborate on electric

The industry is moving to an 'Autonomous, Connected, Electric, Shared' future - JLR and BMW are heading there together

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In the past few decades, both Jaguar and BMW have proven themselves exceptionally good at producing combustion engines; in the past few years they've shown a similar level of aptitude in developing EV powertrains, too. The i3, after all, was genuinely ground-breaking for the industry, and the I-Pace has just won three awards at International Engine of the Year.

Now comes the announcement of the two brands collaborating for future electric vehicles. Or rather, "joining forces to develop next generation Electric Drive Units, in a move that will support the advancement of if electrification technologies, a central part of the automotive industry's transition to an ACES (Autonomous, Connected, Electric, Shared) future."

The engineering of future EDUs will be a joint effort between BMW and JLR, with the pair "developing the systems to deliver the specific characteristics required for their respective range of products." They will be built at separate locations too, with Jaguar's drive units sharing factory space with the Ingenium engines at Wolverhampton.

Nick Rogers, Jaguar Land Rover Engineering Director said of the decision: "We've proven we can build world beating electric cars but now we need to scale the technology to support the next generation of Jaguar and Land Rover products. It was clear from discussions with BMW Group that both companies' requirements for next generation EDUs to support this transition have significant overlap making for a mutually beneficial collaboration."

It's unclear yet just when these first jointly-developed electric powertrains will make it to BMW, Jaguar and Land Rover production cars, but given the furious pace with which the industry is electrifying, expect them sooner rather than later. Best get prepared for your ACES automotive future as soon as possible...

[Hugh Jarse]

Usually sensible to collaborate!

[akadk]

Twin turbo V8’s part of the deal?

[HighwayStar]

akadk said:

Twin turbo V8’s part of the deal?

Seemingly already in the bag
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/jaguar/f-t...

[ucb]

"a central part of the automotive industry's transition to an ACES (Autonomous, Connected, Electric, Shared) future."

Nothing in that statement appeals to me as a consumer or purchaser of a car

[Fishy Dave]

I'm surprised BMW aren't working with Toyota on this?

[aeropilot]

ucb said:

"a central part of the automotive industry's transition to an ACES (Autonomous, Connected, Electric, Shared) future."

So, ACES is the new 4 letter acronym of the future then........

More like HELL to the rest of us.......

Given the constant and laughable errors and glitches in the partial automated systems in my 2017 car, I thing I'll be long gone before this becomes a 100% reality in the UK with our antiquated road network and layout.

Technology for technologies sake rather than because its actually needed.

[akadk]

ucb said:

"a central part of the automotive industry's transition to an ACES (Autonomous, Connected, Electric, Shared) future."

Nothing in that statement appeals to me as a consumer or purchaser of a car

At one end of the spectrum is

A- adaptive cruise control
C- Spotify built in
E- electric spooler for your turbo
S- starting your car from your phone to warm it up

At the other end is

A-car drives itself
C-car talks to other cars
E-electric drive trains
S-No need to own a car, just summon one from an app.

We are quickly moving towards the extreme end of the spectrum - prob 20yrs.

Sounds a long time, but 20yrs ago cars weren’t fundamentally different to what they are now.

They are safer, better built, more efficient, faster etc but not fundamentally different.

20yrs in the future, they will be fundamentally different

[cossey]

Fishy Dave said:

I'm surprised BMW aren't working with Toyota on this?

Different requirements, there is a lot of direct overlap with BMW and JLR's ranges in terms of power/refinement/cost target. Much less overlap with Toyota (especially as Toyota are more focused on hybrid at the premium end). BMW are now moving away from small motor/city car into the big saloon SUV end and they don't want to copy Merc/Audi's path.

So far most of the Toyota/BMW cooperations are really just Toyota buying from BMW (despite their comments to the contrary). in this case BMW are expecting JLR to bring value from the work on the iPace (the data from the current car will be worth a lot as real world experience is always critical)

[Jon_S_Rally]

ucb said:

"a central part of the automotive industry's transition to an ACES (Autonomous, Connected, Electric, Shared) future."

Nothing in that statement appeals to me as a consumer or purchaser of a car

Glad it's not just me that thought that. Depressing marketing drivel.

[anonymous-user]

aeropilot said:

ucb said:

"a central part of the automotive industry's transition to an ACES (Autonomous, Connected, Electric, Shared) future."

So, ACES is the new 4 letter acronym of the future then........

More like HELL to the rest of us.......

Given the constant and laughable errors and glitches in the partial automated systems in my 2017 car, I thing I'll be long gone before this becomes a 100% reality in the UK with our antiquated road network and layout.

Technology for technologies sake rather than because its actually needed.

I'll stick to SPADES

Speed, Petrol, Aesthetics, Drivers, Engines & Speed (again)

[Mark-C]

Jon_S_Rally said:

ucb said:

"a central part of the automotive industry's transition to an ACES (Autonomous, Connected, Electric, Shared) future."

Nothing in that statement appeals to me as a consumer or purchaser of a car

Glad it's not just me that thought that. Depressing marketing drivel.

We on PH are a minority interest group - the big manufacturers could not give a toss about what we want because the majority of car buyers will lap this stuff up.

[Stu08]

I was thinking of a smart, intelligent response to the ACES acronym in light of my car enthusiast trait.

Can only really think of, fk off.

[Edward Robbins]

Christ almighty what a terrifying world it’s shaping up to be. It’s seems most of you are as scared as me. The trouble is that 90% of the car buying public don’t give a hoot about how cars are powered or whether they handle well etc. And so that coupled with this relentless barrage about ‘going green’ (I despise that bloody phrase) it’s inevitable driving as we know it just won’t be a thing this time in 20 years and that is what keeps me awake at night.

[Edward Robbins]

ucb said:

"a central part of the automotive industry's transition to an ACES (Autonomous, Connected, Electric, Shared) future."

Nothing in that statement appeals to me as a consumer or purchaser of a car

Nail, head, hit.

[Shiv_P]

Absolutely crap electric ste

[HRCM]

ucb said:

"a central part of the automotive industry's transition to an ACES (Autonomous, Connected, Electric, Shared) future."

Nothing in that statement appeals to me as a consumer or purchaser of a car

My sentiments entirely

[GhellopeSir]

The last few years really do tell a story when it comes to BMW. There's a real air of reconciliation when you look at their current direction compared to their rivals (and their past self).

It's like watching an old friend lose their faculties. So sad.

[Clivey]

GhellopeSir said:

The last few years really do tell a story when it comes to BMW. There's a real air of reconciliation when you look at their current direction compared to their rivals (and their past self).

It's like watching an old friend lose their faculties. So sad.

Agreed. A decade or so ago, they made quite a few models that i’d be interested in depending on my circumstances but increasingly they’re appealing less and less. I have absolutely no interest in an electric car.

[F4R]

BMW "The ultimate autonomous driving machine"

What will be the point in these brands anymore? Surely no one will care whether they'll be buying a BMW, Land Rover, Hyundai, Kia, Dyson or whatever. It's happening already, although I foresee the premium brands struggling in the future.

[Edward Robbins]

F4R said:

BMW "The ultimate autonomous driving machine"

What will be the point in these brands anymore? Surely no one will care whether they'll be buying a BMW, Land Rover, Hyundai, Kia, Dyson or whatever. It's happening already, although I foresee the premium brands struggling in the future.

I keep thinking this, I can’t see there being any individuality with car brands soon, one electric motor sounds (and looks?) just like any other. The new 1 series will no longer be rear wheel drive and that’s sad regardless of whether the majority of drivers know or even care if it is, it just shows how all cars are just blending into one, there may as well just be one brand that we all drive around in (or autonomously get driven around in or whatever it is) and that’s it. God that sounds depressing, I may as well just end it all now!