Bad crash at my local boy racer meet
Discussion
treeroy said:
so much whining and complaining over this. its sad but its very rare. Car meets happen all the time and no one is injured. such a fuss over nothing. This came from one idiot driver in the GT86 and its unfortunate that many people chose to stand in the middle of a dual carriageway.
The idiot was the GT86 driver? Not the Nissan driver majorly breaking the speed limit?Ok then.
treeroy said:
so much whining and complaining over this. its sad but its very rare. Car meets happen all the time and no one is injured. such a fuss over nothing. This came from one idiot driver in the GT86 and its unfortunate that many people chose to stand in the middle of a dual carriageway.
Great attention to detail son....there were two cars that made up the accident. Back to your rock you go.....treeroy said:
so much whining and complaining over this. its sad but its very rare. Car meets happen all the time and no one is injured. such a fuss over nothing. This came from one idiot driver in the GT86 and its unfortunate that many people chose to stand in the middle of a dual carriageway.
I wouldn't say "a fuss over nothing" was the right words but I do agree with you. Meets like this happen almost every day around the country and you hear nothing about them it's just one particularly bad occurance happens and people treat it like this is some kind of Organised underground crime syndicate.I'm part of a small japanese car club and every Tuesday for the last 8 years we've been meeting in town, not particularly out of the way or in some hidden car park in the middle of nowhere but we're a quiet lot and the woman that runs it makes sure that any misbehaving at all is shot right down. She has a good relationship with the local police force and even the council are "aware" of the meets but we've never had any problems.
We often have some guy come along in a BMW, Merc, Mustang, Vauxhall, etc and rev their engines or speed off at some ungodly speed past our meet or even do a donut in some cases, as you can tell they're not part of our club but she makes a point to tell those people to f
k right off, as we wouldn't want their dickish behaviour to be associated with us.It's just a case of being on your best behaviour, being respectful to the local police and people that might live nearby or walk past the meet and everyone get's on alright, some might see that as "boring" as mentioned previously in this thread but for the most of us we're just there to see our mates and talk about what we've been up to, etc. It's not somewhere to show off and if you really want to brag just go to Santa pod and ring your car out there.
edit: What happened last week is particularly shocking and is bad news for everyone. It's bad news for those involved both directly and indirectly (police, locals, etc) and it's also bad news for those of us who try to have these tame little meetups as it's just fuel for the fire of the "all car people are hoodlums" brigade and that even reflects to those that think because they keep their fast driving to Weekends at the break of dawn they're safe. Unfortunately it's bad news for everyone in the car community, there's no need to be up on a high horse about it.
Edited by Samjeev on Tuesday 23 July 15:54
I think there is a need to be up on a high horse about it. In the same way the woman who organizes your meets has no patience for the idiots (none in jap cars? Really?) who behave badly around there.
It’s the driving in this environment that most people are on their high horse about. And to an extent the people who encourage it and the organisers who turn a blind eye to it.
It’s the driving in this environment that most people are on their high horse about. And to an extent the people who encourage it and the organisers who turn a blind eye to it.
Hungrymc said:
I think there is a need to be up on a high horse about it. In the same way the woman who organizes your meets has no patience for the idiots (none in jap cars? Really?) who behave badly around there.
It’s the driving in this environment that most people are on their high horse about. And to an extent the people who encourage it and the organisers who turn a blind eye to it.
In the 3 years i've been going i've seen maybe 1 MX5 who simply was being a bit of a bellend revving his engine. When she told him to stop he did it with her right there so she scared him off pretty swiftly. I'd say that's nothing compared to the Mustang we had come down and rip a big donut in the middle of a 30mph street or the number of high hp german cars that like to show off their launch control for some reason.It’s the driving in this environment that most people are on their high horse about. And to an extent the people who encourage it and the organisers who turn a blind eye to it.
Truthfully it doesn't really matter what they drive, the fact I mention it makes me a bit of a hypocrite about being on a high horse.
As you say the resolution to the issue is more down to those that organise these meets. If you're organising a meet/event/show like this you need to be strict on people's behaviour and ban bad actors, if that makes you a spoil sport then unfortunately that's a neccessary evil.
We also don't have anyone in the club/meet that stands at the exit waving their camera about. I guess it's just a case of keeping a chill environment keeps people's ego's at bay.
There's even alot of the crowds of spectators waiting as people are leaving the PH sunday services, and it's no wonder we're seeing less and less PHSS's on the calendar every year.
This was a Pistonheads Sunday Service, at the end of last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwE6Pg8kFyY
Even though the tttery isn't at the same levels seen in the crash video, there's still far too much showing-off with the right foot on a wet roundabout being used by the public. Quite a few of those 'PH' cars were travelling above the limit too.
I can see a few people standing on the outside of the roundabout (excluding those behind the cameraperson), who are as guilty as the wallies in the cruise video.
Let he without sin, and all that.
Even though the t
ttery isn't at the same levels seen in the crash video, there's still far too much showing-off with the right foot on a wet roundabout being used by the public. Quite a few of those 'PH' cars were travelling above the limit too.I can see a few people standing on the outside of the roundabout (excluding those behind the cameraperson), who are as guilty as the wallies in the cruise video.
Let he without sin, and all that.
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 24th July 11:42
C70R said:
This was a Pistonheads Sunday Service, at the end of last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwE6Pg8kFyY
Even though the tttery isn't at the same levels seen in the crash video, there's still far too much showing-off with the right foot on a wet roundabout being used by the public. Quite a few of those 'PH' cars were travelling above the limit too.
I can see a few people standing on the outside of the roundabout (excluding those behind the cameraperson), who are as guilty as the wallies in the cruise video.
Let he without sin, and all that.
TBF to PH, they have repeatedly and strenuously tried to discourage this, but nonetheless, it's an example of how and where things can/might go wrong.Even though the t
ttery isn't at the same levels seen in the crash video, there's still far too much showing-off with the right foot on a wet roundabout being used by the public. Quite a few of those 'PH' cars were travelling above the limit too.I can see a few people standing on the outside of the roundabout (excluding those behind the cameraperson), who are as guilty as the wallies in the cruise video.
Let he without sin, and all that.
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 24th July 11:42
Digga said:
C70R said:
This was a Pistonheads Sunday Service, at the end of last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwE6Pg8kFyY
Even though the tttery isn't at the same levels seen in the crash video, there's still far too much showing-off with the right foot on a wet roundabout being used by the public. Quite a few of those 'PH' cars were travelling above the limit too.
I can see a few people standing on the outside of the roundabout (excluding those behind the cameraperson), who are as guilty as the wallies in the cruise video.
Let he without sin, and all that.
TBF to PH, they have repeatedly and strenuously tried to discourage this, but nonetheless, it's an example of how and where things can/might go wrong.Even though the t
ttery isn't at the same levels seen in the crash video, there's still far too much showing-off with the right foot on a wet roundabout being used by the public. Quite a few of those 'PH' cars were travelling above the limit too.I can see a few people standing on the outside of the roundabout (excluding those behind the cameraperson), who are as guilty as the wallies in the cruise video.
Let he without sin, and all that.
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 24th July 11:42
In 14 minutes of video - 6 cars drifting (plenty blipping throttles, but no issue there) - the vast majority driving sensibly - not sure how wet the roundabout could have been - a TVR went round it without spinning
Quite a few doing mini fast bits and not looking ahead, so getting caught out by cars coming in from the left junction after the roundabout - but no real issues...OY67 ZTP - BMW - drifting
X377 HAN - BMW - drifting and then later on comes back for a fast run across the roundabout...
M25 OMP BMW - - drifting
M345 UKN - Skyline - drifting
M555 BMS - BMW - drifting
ACC 902 A - Cobra kit - looked more as though he was caught out rather than aiming to drift - though why he needed to lap the roundabout to turn left...?
considering the public standing right next to where the cars would have gone off had they got it wrong... absolutely no need for that driving...
sadly - bolsters the stereotype of BMW drivers! (I know, I know - I own two - embarrassing!)
but with that list of plates - not difficult for PH to simply post a public thread, banning them from any PH event - would only take one or two such sets of bans to get the message out there...
back to questions above - if the organisers don't do that, then arguably they do share liability... It is not difficult to run such an event and to state:
- exit sensibly
- exit will be filmed
- any idiots will be reported to the police (and as we work closely with them and will provide video footage - expect consequences)
- any idiots will be banned
yes, there will always be more underground type events where this doesn't happen - but for any properly run event, it isn't complicated...
That's actually one of the PHSS's i was referring to as I was there.
I'm not in the videos as I didn't leave like a knob
but the same thing happens at the Goodwood meets and that being one of the best i'm worried those will stop eventually and the same thing happened at the Mercedes Benz World PHSS and those no longer go on anymore.
I'm not in the videos as I didn't leave like a knob
but the same thing happens at the Goodwood meets and that being one of the best i'm worried those will stop eventually and the same thing happened at the Mercedes Benz World PHSS and those no longer go on anymore.akirk said:
Digga said:
C70R said:
This was a Pistonheads Sunday Service, at the end of last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwE6Pg8kFyY
Even though the tttery isn't at the same levels seen in the crash video, there's still far too much showing-off with the right foot on a wet roundabout being used by the public. Quite a few of those 'PH' cars were travelling above the limit too.
I can see a few people standing on the outside of the roundabout (excluding those behind the cameraperson), who are as guilty as the wallies in the cruise video.
Let he without sin, and all that.
TBF to PH, they have repeatedly and strenuously tried to discourage this, but nonetheless, it's an example of how and where things can/might go wrong.Even though the t
ttery isn't at the same levels seen in the crash video, there's still far too much showing-off with the right foot on a wet roundabout being used by the public. Quite a few of those 'PH' cars were travelling above the limit too.I can see a few people standing on the outside of the roundabout (excluding those behind the cameraperson), who are as guilty as the wallies in the cruise video.
Let he without sin, and all that.
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 24th July 11:42
In 14 minutes of video - 6 cars drifting (plenty blipping throttles, but no issue there) - the vast majority driving sensibly
See the Audi estate (DF06 HRU) who makes repeated passes at the roundabout, accelerating hard off it.
I don't think that ragging a car through 1st-2nd (bear in mind the 40mph limit) around a roundabout and towards stationary traffic (and a junction) on a wet road is clever with that many people standing around.
Still, some people seem to covet the attention. Whatever floats their boat, I guess...
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 24th July 12:31
Samjeev said:
That's actually one of the PHSS's i was referring to as I was there.
I'm not in the videos as I didn't leave like a knob but the same thing happens at the Goodwood meets and that being one of the best i'm worried those will stop eventually and the same thing happened at the Mercedes Benz World PHSS and those no longer go on anymore.
I've seen similar at the Prodrive PHSS a few years back (I think it was after this that PH management rightly read the riot act) and, did not see it but saw videos of it after a PHSS at Silverstone.I'm not in the videos as I didn't leave like a knob
but the same thing happens at the Goodwood meets and that being one of the best i'm worried those will stop eventually and the same thing happened at the Mercedes Benz World PHSS and those no longer go on anymore.C70R said:
akirk said:
Digga said:
C70R said:
This was a Pistonheads Sunday Service, at the end of last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwE6Pg8kFyY
Even though the tttery isn't at the same levels seen in the crash video, there's still far too much showing-off with the right foot on a wet roundabout being used by the public. Quite a few of those 'PH' cars were travelling above the limit too.
I can see a few people standing on the outside of the roundabout (excluding those behind the cameraperson), who are as guilty as the wallies in the cruise video.
Let he without sin, and all that.
TBF to PH, they have repeatedly and strenuously tried to discourage this, but nonetheless, it's an example of how and where things can/might go wrong.Even though the t
ttery isn't at the same levels seen in the crash video, there's still far too much showing-off with the right foot on a wet roundabout being used by the public. Quite a few of those 'PH' cars were travelling above the limit too.I can see a few people standing on the outside of the roundabout (excluding those behind the cameraperson), who are as guilty as the wallies in the cruise video.
Let he without sin, and all that.
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 24th July 11:42
In 14 minutes of video - 6 cars drifting (plenty blipping throttles, but no issue there) - the vast majority driving sensibly
See the Audi estate (DF06 HRU) who makes repeated passes at the roundabout, accelerating hard off it.
I don't think that ragging a car through 1st-2nd (bear in mind the 40mph limit) around a roundabout and towards stationary traffic (and a junction) on a wet road is clever with that many people standing around.
Still, some people seem to covet the attention. Whatever floats their boat, I guess...
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 24th July 12:31
That Audi was very noticeable
the vast majority though were driving well
akirk said:
True - I was just using the obvious ones as an example...
That Audi was very noticeable
the vast majority though were driving well
I thought an awful lot were showing signs of traction control intervention. Loads of little kicks and twitches. Maybe the right side of the line? At least very close to the line.That Audi was very noticeable
the vast majority though were driving well
Hungrymc said:
akirk said:
True - I was just using the obvious ones as an example...
That Audi was very noticeable
the vast majority though were driving well
I thought an awful lot were showing signs of traction control intervention. Loads of little kicks and twitches. Maybe the right side of the line? At least very close to the line.That Audi was very noticeable
the vast majority though were driving well
I also think that you need only ban the idiots to bring others into line...
akirk said:
Digga said:
C70R said:
This was a Pistonheads Sunday Service, at the end of last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwE6Pg8kFyY
Even though the tttery isn't at the same levels seen in the crash video, there's still far too much showing-off with the right foot on a wet roundabout being used by the public. Quite a few of those 'PH' cars were travelling above the limit too.
I can see a few people standing on the outside of the roundabout (excluding those behind the cameraperson), who are as guilty as the wallies in the cruise video.
Let he without sin, and all that.
TBF to PH, they have repeatedly and strenuously tried to discourage this, but nonetheless, it's an example of how and where things can/might go wrong.Even though the t
ttery isn't at the same levels seen in the crash video, there's still far too much showing-off with the right foot on a wet roundabout being used by the public. Quite a few of those 'PH' cars were travelling above the limit too.I can see a few people standing on the outside of the roundabout (excluding those behind the cameraperson), who are as guilty as the wallies in the cruise video.
Let he without sin, and all that.
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 24th July 11:42
In 14 minutes of video - 6 cars drifting (plenty blipping throttles, but no issue there) - the vast majority driving sensibly - not sure how wet the roundabout could have been - a TVR went round it without spinning
Quite a few doing mini fast bits and not looking ahead, so getting caught out by cars coming in from the left junction after the roundabout - but no real issues...OY67 ZTP - BMW - drifting
X377 HAN - BMW - drifting and then later on comes back for a fast run across the roundabout...
M25 OMP BMW - - drifting
M345 UKN - Skyline - drifting
M555 BMS - BMW - drifting
ACC 902 A - Cobra kit - looked more as though he was caught out rather than aiming to drift - though why he needed to lap the roundabout to turn left...?
considering the public standing right next to where the cars would have gone off had they got it wrong... absolutely no need for that driving...
sadly - bolsters the stereotype of BMW drivers! (I know, I know - I own two - embarrassing!)
but with that list of plates - not difficult for PH to simply post a public thread, banning them from any PH event - would only take one or two such sets of bans to get the message out there...
back to questions above - if the organisers don't do that, then arguably they do share liability... It is not difficult to run such an event and to state:
- exit sensibly
- exit will be filmed
- any idiots will be reported to the police (and as we work closely with them and will provide video footage - expect consequences)
- any idiots will be banned
yes, there will always be more underground type events where this doesn't happen - but for any properly run event, it isn't complicated...
I get the feeling these people wouldn't arse about as much if they didn't have 20 phones recording them.
They are doing it for attention.
And yes that looks like Adam C
A quick look on his channel shows how many meets there are where people leave like idiots.
Reading Jap meet for example......
They are doing it for attention.
And yes that looks like Adam C
A quick look on his channel shows how many meets there are where people leave like idiots.
Reading Jap meet for example......
Caffieine and Machine have this at their exit:
Plus they promote "Don't be a Dick" they let everyone know that they have ANPR on the exit and that they will ban anyone who is being a dick.
It needs this sort of proactive approach, I think the problem with cruise meets is that there is not an apparent pro active approach to stopping people being dicks, more the opposite.
Plus they promote "Don't be a Dick" they let everyone know that they have ANPR on the exit and that they will ban anyone who is being a dick.
It needs this sort of proactive approach, I think the problem with cruise meets is that there is not an apparent pro active approach to stopping people being dicks, more the opposite.
Edited by blueg33 on Thursday 25th July 08:58
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