RE: Next BMW M3 confirmed as all-wheel drive...

RE: Next BMW M3 confirmed as all-wheel drive...

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Addymk2

334 posts

171 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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DanielSan said:


It could look like this without the camo apparently.

robertdon777

168 posts

62 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Box Fresh... Showroom Standard

E46 M3 Manual or the New M3

Take your pick if you had the choice in a dealership Today.

(as a Toy)

RSTurboPaul

10,218 posts

257 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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E65Ross said:
Peanus said:
RSTurboPaul said:
I'm pleased to see people actually interested in driving, rather than having the fastest thing possible on PCP to show off their 'lifestyle'.
Imagine being this affected by how people choose to spend their own money
I know, it's really bizarre.

I must be terrible because I bought my house with a mortgage and I have to pay it off monthly....I couldn't afford to buy it outright, clearly I need to hand my PH membership in!
Having twice now been overtaking shiny new 'premium' vehicles that were dawdling along and not taking advantage of an empty stretch of road to overtake the 45mph-moron in front of them (Merc turbodiesel thing on big alloys, BMW M4) and both times had the (young) drivers booooooost to show just how big their penis was just how much more powerful their car is than my puny old thing, leaving me side-by-side on a NSL single carriageway road and having to either force my way back in front of them, stay out longer than planned to try to get past the dawdler as well, or stand on the brakes to get back in behind them like the good peasant I should be, I was attempting to make the point that monthly income to rent a fast car =/= driving ability or the correct attitude to ownership of that car.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense or driving ability would not deliberately hinder another person on the road, and would not actively increase the risk to that person by creating a situation where a head-on collision becomes more likely, but for those financing a 'lifestyle', I imagine they will later that evening be boasting about how they 'showed that old car some real power' rolleyes

If someone can afford to rent a 60k car and drives it properly, using advanced driving techniques (or even just not actively trying to be a bell-end) and applying an appropriate attitude, good for them, and I am pleased to see nice cars being driven well. But frankly I'm a little fed up trying not to get killed by retarded fkwits who think renting something new and trying to belittle others while increasing danger to the other driver makes them 'better'.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Monday 5th August 15:21

JaredVannett

1,561 posts

142 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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To anyone thinking of unloading their wallet on this, just remember how modern BMW works:

M3 - Launch rush model ... a.k.a guinea pig edition

... six months later....

M3 CP - V1.5 .... 'enhanced version' .... a.k.a we fixed everything we screwed up on the launch model.



My point is, BMW love pushing out improved variants in a short space of time, you want more proof? - The M2!

OG M2 >> 6 months later >> M2 LCI Facelift >> 1 year later >> M2C (with ///M engine).



Don't be a sucker and fall for the first generation... just wait and you'll get the better model.

cerb4.5lee

30,170 posts

179 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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I was hoping that this would use a similar 4wd system to the M5 where you can choose between 4wd or rwd. I wonder why BMW can't/won't do that with this.

At least you can still choose to buy a 4wd or rwd M3 though so not all is lost. Good that the manual gearbox is still surviving in these too.

Court_S

12,764 posts

176 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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RSTurboPaul said:
Having twice now been overtaking shiny new 'premium' vehicles that were dawdling along and not taking advantage of an empty stretch of road to overtake the 45mph-moron in front of them (Merc turbodiesel thing on big alloys, BMW M4) and both times had the (young) drivers booooooost to show just how big their penis was just how much more powerful their car is than my puny old thing, leaving me side-by-side on a NSL single carriageway road and having to either force my way back in front of them, stay out longer than planned to try to get past the dawdler as well, or stand on the brakes to get back in behind them like the good peasant I should be, I was attempting to make the point that monthly income to rent a fast car =/= driving ability or the correct attitude to ownership of that car.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense or driving ability would not deliberately hinder another person on the road, and would not actively increase the risk to that person by creating a situation where a head-on collision becomes more likely, but for those financing a 'lifestyle', I imagine they will later that evening be boasting about how they 'showed that old car some real power' rolleyes

If someone can afford to rent a 60k car and drives it properly, using advanced driving techniques (or even just not actively trying to be a bell-end) and applying an appropriate attitude, good for them, and I am pleased to see nice cars being driven well. But frankly I'm a little fed up trying not to get killed by retarded fkwits who think renting something new and trying to belittle others makes them 'better'.
You know that you get dicks in walks of life don't you? Some people who own cars outright, be they old or new sometimes drive like weapons grade bell ends. Sounds a bike like you need some salt and vinegar for those chips...

I'm not surprised that four wheel drive is coming; the power hikes on sports saloons with turbocharging is making it harder to get the power down especially for mere mortals. The current F series cars aren't supposed to be the easiest to live with either.

I agree with the previous posters about all cars pretty much merging into one.

Harry_523

350 posts

98 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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RSTurboPaul said:
Having twice now been overtaking shiny new 'premium' vehicles that were dawdling along and not taking advantage of an empty stretch of road to overtake the 45mph-moron in front of them (Merc turbodiesel thing on big alloys, BMW M4) and both times had the (young) drivers booooooost to show just how big their penis was just how much more powerful their car is than my puny old thing, leaving me side-by-side on a NSL single carriageway road and having to either force my way back in front of them, stay out longer than planned to try to get past the dawdler as well, or stand on the brakes to get back in behind them like the good peasant I should be, I was attempting to make the point that monthly income to rent a fast car =/= driving ability or the correct attitude to ownership of that car.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense or driving ability would not deliberately hinder another person on the road, and would not actively increase the risk to that person by creating a situation where a head-on collision becomes more likely, but for those financing a 'lifestyle', I imagine they will later that evening be boasting about how they 'showed that old car some real power' rolleyes

If someone can afford to rent a 60k car and drives it properly, using advanced driving techniques (or even just not actively trying to be a bell-end) and applying an appropriate attitude, good for them, and I am pleased to see nice cars being driven well. But frankly I'm a little fed up trying not to get killed by retarded fkwits who think renting something new and trying to belittle others while increasing danger to the other driver makes them 'better'.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Monday 5th August 15:21
Would love to hear the other side of this. Could be interpreted just as easily as "I was driving to the pub in my cash owned m4 that id worked my arse off for over the last 10 years, just as I was closing up behind some dawdler doing 45mph, some f**kwhit in an Astra diesel came up behind doing 20mph over the limit, over took me and had to dive between me and the dawdler to avoid a head-on with a car coming the other way. He then started waving his arms and gesturing at me as if he was some "lewis-from-hamilton" type"

Leasing cars has nothing to do with driving ability. Putting 2 house deposits into a depreciating asset is not "correct attitude to ownership".

Get back in your box grandad....

BlackPrince

1,271 posts

168 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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essayer said:
An all electric M car with independent motors on each wheel would be an absolute monster. It’d be better vs a petrol version on just about every metric except top speed. The characteristics of a drivetrain like that are far more interesting than what you get just adding more and more power. Looking forward to a manufacturer actually embracing this.
Do you own a Tesla?

It is absolutely brilliant that BMW is still making manual RWD performance cars, and all those that are b%tching about it need to join the Needlecraft forum or something.

Edited by BlackPrince on Monday 5th August 15:59

Roger Irrelevant

2,898 posts

112 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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I'd bloody love an M3; back when I was a yoof they were my favourite car that I had a vague hope of one day obtaining and I've liked them ever since. Couldn't give a monkeys if it's 4wd and auto, or if some of its rivals are supposedly superior, I'd just really like an M3!

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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anonymous said:
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I commute on B and A roads, so do a fair bit of overtaking and yes, I reckon at least two thirds of drivers accelerate when you pull out to pass. The difference with performance cars is you notice it much more, because they're faster and louder when the driver gets on the throttle.

Wills2

22,662 posts

174 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Roger Irrelevant said:
I'd bloody love an M3; back when I was a yoof they were my favourite car that I had a vague hope of one day obtaining and I've liked them ever since. Couldn't give a monkeys if it's 4wd and auto, or if some of its rivals are supposedly superior, I'd just really like an M3!
They are really nice cars, I've had 4 from e46 then e92 to F80, manual/SMG/DCT, standard and CP versions but regardless of the hardware fitted they have all had that "M3ness" about them.

People always like to say this is better than that etc...and of course each variant had its standout feature over the others but taken as a whole they were all great.





cerb4.5lee

30,170 posts

179 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Wills2 said:
Roger Irrelevant said:
I'd bloody love an M3; back when I was a yoof they were my favourite car that I had a vague hope of one day obtaining and I've liked them ever since. Couldn't give a monkeys if it's 4wd and auto, or if some of its rivals are supposedly superior, I'd just really like an M3!
They are really nice cars, I've had 4 from e46 then e92 to F80, manual/SMG/DCT, standard and CP versions but regardless of the hardware fitted they have all had that "M3ness" about them.

People always like to say this is better than that etc...and of course each variant had its standout feature over the others but taken as a whole they were all great.
As a do it all performance car there isn't much better than the M3 in fairness. They are pretty much universally loved too, and even if you are not into cars most seem to have heard of them.


RSTurboPaul

10,218 posts

257 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Harry_523 said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Having twice now been overtaking shiny new 'premium' vehicles that were dawdling along and not taking advantage of an empty stretch of road to overtake the 45mph-moron in front of them (Merc turbodiesel thing on big alloys, BMW M4) and both times had the (young) drivers booooooost to show just how big their penis was just how much more powerful their car is than my puny old thing, leaving me side-by-side on a NSL single carriageway road and having to either force my way back in front of them, stay out longer than planned to try to get past the dawdler as well, or stand on the brakes to get back in behind them like the good peasant I should be, I was attempting to make the point that monthly income to rent a fast car =/= driving ability or the correct attitude to ownership of that car.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense or driving ability would not deliberately hinder another person on the road, and would not actively increase the risk to that person by creating a situation where a head-on collision becomes more likely, but for those financing a 'lifestyle', I imagine they will later that evening be boasting about how they 'showed that old car some real power' rolleyes

If someone can afford to rent a 60k car and drives it properly, using advanced driving techniques (or even just not actively trying to be a bell-end) and applying an appropriate attitude, good for them, and I am pleased to see nice cars being driven well. But frankly I'm a little fed up trying not to get killed by retarded fkwits who think renting something new and trying to belittle others while increasing danger to the other driver makes them 'better'.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Monday 5th August 15:21
Would love to hear the other side of this. Could be interpreted just as easily as "I was driving to the pub in my cash owned m4 that id worked my arse off for over the last 10 years, just as I was closing up behind some dawdler doing 45mph, some f**kwhit in an Astra diesel came up behind doing 20mph over the limit, over took me and had to dive between me and the dawdler to avoid a head-on with a car coming the other way. He then started waving his arms and gesturing at me as if he was some "lewis-from-hamilton" type"

Leasing cars has nothing to do with driving ability. Putting 2 house deposits into a depreciating asset is not "correct attitude to ownership".

Get back in your box grandad....
Summary:

- Wide, sweeping A-road through countryside surroundings, very few entrances or side roads.
- 60mph along the whole route (bar a couple of 40mph limited areas).
- One section has a straight of about 3/4 of a mile with no junctions or access points, which approached from either direction, 60mph is perfectly reasonable, but at either end is a kink or a curve round which one should return to the nearside unless one is mentally unstable.
- I come up behind Merc thing on the sweeping corner before the straight, who is dawdling along behind Mr 48mph Nissan thing (IIRC).
- Merc makes no move to overtake on the straight we have now entered, which is otherwise clear in both directions to the limit point.
- I take third, pull out, accelerate.
- Mr Merc decides to boot it and close up the gap between him and the Nissan as I get alongside him, looking over at me and smirking while he does it, then has to brake to avoid hitting the Nissan.
- I have to keep my foot in and pass the Nissan, with the limit point to the kink at the end of the straight getting uncomfortably closer.

Fortunately it was dark and it was possible to ascertain no vehicles were approaching the kink in the road from the opposite direction by the lack of headlights, so I could stretch the overtake to closer to the limit point than one could during daylight hours, but I could have done a 'squirt-and-return' overtake and just cruised into the gap without using the brakes if he hadn't been an idiot, then done the same for the Nissan on the next straight round the kink.

I certainly didn't come flying round the corner, throw my car into oncoming traffic and then force others to mitigate my error, because in a car with no airbags or any other discernible safety equipment, my awareness of risk (and hence management of it) is somewhat more heightened than someone wafting along in a luxo-barge with all the bells and whistles.

Mr Merc proceeded to dawdle along behind the Nissan for as long as I could see him, so clearly was in no hurry but just wanted to inconvenience me.


As I said, having someone do things to you with a complete disregard for the fact that they could kill you does raise one's hackles somewhat.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Monday 5th August 16:24

E65Ross

34,941 posts

211 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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anonymous said:
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I will say no chance.

Why? Because the new 3 series doesn't have that grille.....

Roger Irrelevant

2,898 posts

112 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Wills2 said:
Roger Irrelevant said:
I'd bloody love an M3; back when I was a yoof they were my favourite car that I had a vague hope of one day obtaining and I've liked them ever since. Couldn't give a monkeys if it's 4wd and auto, or if some of its rivals are supposedly superior, I'd just really like an M3!
They are really nice cars, I've had 4 from e46 then e92 to F80, manual/SMG/DCT, standard and CP versions but regardless of the hardware fitted they have all had that "M3ness" about them.

People always like to say this is better than that etc...and of course each variant had its standout feature over the others but taken as a whole they were all great.
Nice - hat duly doffed! I'll admit that I don't really know the ins n' outs of the various models so if I do ever come to buy one it'll probably be a case of just finding the newest one I can afford in a colour I like and having a decent chunk of cash set aside for maintenance. I doubt I'd pay too much attention to the wisdom of the internet as like I said, even if its rivals are meant to be better they'd still suffer from the fact that I just don't really want them like I want an M3.

nickfrog

20,871 posts

216 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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RSTurboPaul said:
As I said, having someone do things to you with a complete disregard for the fact that they could kill you does raise one's hackles somewhat.
Probably nothing to do with their chosen method of paying for the depreciation. Particularly if you don't even know how the other driver paid for his car.

Edited by nickfrog on Monday 5th August 16:37

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Roger Irrelevant said:
Wills2 said:
Roger Irrelevant said:
I'd bloody love an M3; back when I was a yoof they were my favourite car that I had a vague hope of one day obtaining and I've liked them ever since. Couldn't give a monkeys if it's 4wd and auto, or if some of its rivals are supposedly superior, I'd just really like an M3!
They are really nice cars, I've had 4 from e46 then e92 to F80, manual/SMG/DCT, standard and CP versions but regardless of the hardware fitted they have all had that "M3ness" about them.

People always like to say this is better than that etc...and of course each variant had its standout feature over the others but taken as a whole they were all great.
Nice - hat duly doffed! I'll admit that I don't really know the ins n' outs of the various models so if I do ever come to buy one it'll probably be a case of just finding the newest one I can afford in a colour I like and having a decent chunk of cash set aside for maintenance. I doubt I'd pay too much attention to the wisdom of the internet as like I said, even if its rivals are meant to be better they'd still suffer from the fact that I just don't really want them like I want an M3.
I've driven a few and whilst I'd agree with the above; a powerful engine in a compact RWD saloon is always a good recipe, particularly when a company as able as BMW engineer it. However, I would add that each model has its own distinct character. The E46, for example, felt to me like a 330ci unless it was pushed, when it felt to me like a softly sprung racing car - it managed those two characters very well. The E92, to me, felt like a very polished and very fast daily driver, and remains my favourite M3 for its sense of completeness, and that gorgeous revvy V8. I agree with your last sentence though - cars are a very individual thing and it's best to listen to your heart smile

Jon_S_Rally

3,381 posts

87 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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RSTurboPaul said:
Summary:

- Wide, sweeping A-road through countryside surroundings, very few entrances or side roads.
- 60mph along the whole route (bar a couple of 40mph limited areas).
- One section has a straight of about 3/4 of a mile with no junctions or access points, which approached from either direction, 60mph is perfectly reasonable, but at either end is a kink or a curve round which one should return to the nearside unless one is mentally unstable.
- I come up behind Merc thing on the sweeping corner before the straight, who is dawdling along behind Mr 48mph Nissan thing (IIRC).
- Merc makes no move to overtake on the straight we have now entered, which is otherwise clear in both directions to the limit point.
- I take third, pull out, accelerate.
- Mr Merc decides to boot it and close up the gap between him and the Nissan as I get alongside him, looking over at me and smirking while he does it, then has to brake to avoid hitting the Nissan.
- I have to keep my foot in and pass the Nissan, with the limit point to the kink at the end of the straight getting uncomfortably closer.

Fortunately it was dark and it was possible to ascertain no vehicles were approaching the kink in the road from the opposite direction by the lack of headlights, so I could stretch the overtake to closer to the limit point than one could during daylight hours, but I could have done a 'squirt-and-return' overtake and just cruised into the gap without using the brakes if he hadn't been an idiot, then done the same for the Nissan on the next straight round the kink.

I certainly didn't come flying round the corner, throw my car into oncoming traffic and then force others to mitigate my error, because in a car with no airbags or any other discernible safety equipment, my awareness of risk (and hence management of it) is somewhat more heightened than someone wafting along in a luxo-barge with all the bells and whistles.

Mr Merc proceeded to dawdle along behind the Nissan for as long as I could see him, so clearly was in no hurry but just wanted to inconvenience me.


As I said, having someone do things to you with a complete disregard for the fact that they could kill you does raise one's hackles somewhat.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Monday 5th August 16:24
You get idiots in all sorts of cars, new and old, fast and slow. Maybe this one just sticks in your mind because the car was smart looking, or because the driver was so overt in his actions. I should imagine you would struggle to see much of a correlation between driving standards and how people buy their cars in reality.

RSTurboPaul

10,218 posts

257 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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anonymous said:
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I would agree with your thinking!

I think I read somewhere else that someone described it as 'the democratisation of power', which seems fairly accurate IMO.

Sadly I would also say that not many people seem to have got the memo that pointed out how 'with great power comes great responsibility'...!

E65Ross

34,941 posts

211 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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RSTurboPaul said:
E65Ross said:
Peanus said:
RSTurboPaul said:
I'm pleased to see people actually interested in driving, rather than having the fastest thing possible on PCP to show off their 'lifestyle'.
Imagine being this affected by how people choose to spend their own money
I know, it's really bizarre.

I must be terrible because I bought my house with a mortgage and I have to pay it off monthly....I couldn't afford to buy it outright, clearly I need to hand my PH membership in!
Having twice now been overtaking shiny new 'premium' vehicles that were dawdling along and not taking advantage of an empty stretch of road to overtake the 45mph-moron in front of them (Merc turbodiesel thing on big alloys, BMW M4) and both times had the (young) drivers booooooost to show just how big their penis was just how much more powerful their car is than my puny old thing, leaving me side-by-side on a NSL single carriageway road and having to either force my way back in front of them, stay out longer than planned to try to get past the dawdler as well, or stand on the brakes to get back in behind them like the good peasant I should be, I was attempting to make the point that monthly income to rent a fast car =/= driving ability or the correct attitude to ownership of that car.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense or driving ability would not deliberately hinder another person on the road, and would not actively increase the risk to that person by creating a situation where a head-on collision becomes more likely, but for those financing a 'lifestyle', I imagine they will later that evening be boasting about how they 'showed that old car some real power' rolleyes

If someone can afford to rent a 60k car and drives it properly, using advanced driving techniques (or even just not actively trying to be a bell-end) and applying an appropriate attitude, good for them, and I am pleased to see nice cars being driven well. But frankly I'm a little fed up trying not to get killed by retarded fkwits who think renting something new and trying to belittle others while increasing danger to the other driver makes them 'better'.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Monday 5th August 15:21
So you're saying that nobody should have a nice car if they don't want to exploit all of the performance all of the time (or don't have the ability to do so)?

I suppose nobody other than an F1 driver should own a supercar by your logic?

Your post smacks of jealousy. Who cars if you may be faster in what is a slower car? Aside from you, that is.

But we'll done for being such a great racing driver on public roads, you're a true hero and a paragon of awesomeness.

Oh, and why do you assume that situation wouldn't have arisen if they were driving a different car that they bought? You see that sort of situation quite frequently, even in clapped out old cars, so what difference does the fact they may be renting the car have?

Edited by E65Ross on Monday 5th August 19:27