RE: Porsche showcases all-new Taycan interior
Discussion
Rumblestripe said:
Not really my kind of thing but the tech is interesting. I feel that surely touchscreen tech should be replaced with voice activation? The accuracy of the "Alexa" type device can surely be transferred into cars?
"Porsche, play David Bowie Space Oddity" "Porsche, set climate control to 22 degrees" etc. Seems screamingly obvious to me.
Oh and putting handwriting interface on the central console of UK cars is only going to be useful for left handers. (Or the ambidextrous, I spose)
Voice activation is all well and good with Porsche as a trigger word until you have a conversation with someone while sitting in the car, about what car it is."Porsche, play David Bowie Space Oddity" "Porsche, set climate control to 22 degrees" etc. Seems screamingly obvious to me.
Oh and putting handwriting interface on the central console of UK cars is only going to be useful for left handers. (Or the ambidextrous, I spose)
"I bought this because I felt Porsche were doing the"
"I'm sorry, I don't understand the command"
or if you have a strong accent.
PPPMAT said:
The vinyl analogy is interesting. You could also say the same about watches. A good quartz digital is better in every measurable way - do I want one? No.
Yup, that's a good analogy. 90% of people who buy watches buy electronic ones, but there will always be a market for people who want to buy a less reliable, less practical, model for far more money. I suspect cars will be the same, for people who want something functional, EVs will eventually take over; for the minority who want something more than a functional device, internal combustion engines will always appeal even if they're far less practical and more expensive.
I have a manual watch which I rather like, but everything else I use to tell the time is electronic. Similarly I'll probably always have an internal combustion engine as a toy but I'll still end up getting an EV to actually get me from A to B. However, the EV I buy will NOT have all its functions controlled by bloody touch screens. I'd rather walk.
Edited by kambites on Friday 23 August 12:37
I like the interior to look at, but like everyone else, I actually want buttons to press, buttons that you can press without actually taking your eyes of the road.
As for the handwriting function, gonna be pretty useless for 90% of the UK population that are right handed. Not bad for the rest of Europe or the US, but crap for us Brits, Ozzies and Japanese with RHD cars.
As for the handwriting function, gonna be pretty useless for 90% of the UK population that are right handed. Not bad for the rest of Europe or the US, but crap for us Brits, Ozzies and Japanese with RHD cars.
Robmarriott said:
Rumblestripe said:
Not really my kind of thing but the tech is interesting. I feel that surely touchscreen tech should be replaced with voice activation? The accuracy of the "Alexa" type device can surely be transferred into cars?
"Porsche, play David Bowie Space Oddity" "Porsche, set climate control to 22 degrees" etc. Seems screamingly obvious to me.
Oh and putting handwriting interface on the central console of UK cars is only going to be useful for left handers. (Or the ambidextrous, I spose)
Voice activation is all well and good with Porsche as a trigger word until you have a conversation with someone while sitting in the car, about what car it is."Porsche, play David Bowie Space Oddity" "Porsche, set climate control to 22 degrees" etc. Seems screamingly obvious to me.
Oh and putting handwriting interface on the central console of UK cars is only going to be useful for left handers. (Or the ambidextrous, I spose)
"I bought this because I felt Porsche were doing the"
"I'm sorry, I don't understand the command"
or if you have a strong accent.
kambites said:
Yup, that's a good analogy.
90% of people who buy watches buy electronic ones, but there will always be a market for people who want to buy a less reliable, less practical, model for far more money. I suspect cars will be the same, for people who want something functional, EVs will eventually take over; for the minority who want something more than a functional device, internal combustion engines will always appeal even if they're far less practical and more expensive.
I have a manual watch which I rather like, but everything else I use to tell the time is electronic. Similarly I'll probably always have an internal combustion engine as a toy but I'll still end up getting an EV to actually get me from A to B. However, the EV I buy will NOT have all its functions controlled by bloody touch screens. I'd rather walk.
ICE cars will become a niche.90% of people who buy watches buy electronic ones, but there will always be a market for people who want to buy a less reliable, less practical, model for far more money. I suspect cars will be the same, for people who want something functional, EVs will eventually take over; for the minority who want something more than a functional device, internal combustion engines will always appeal even if they're far less practical and more expensive.
I have a manual watch which I rather like, but everything else I use to tell the time is electronic. Similarly I'll probably always have an internal combustion engine as a toy but I'll still end up getting an EV to actually get me from A to B. However, the EV I buy will NOT have all its functions controlled by bloody touch screens. I'd rather walk.
Edited by kambites on Friday 23 August 12:37
What will drive them to extinction is lack of fuel stations. Imagine if 90% of the cars on the road are EV. You wouldn't want to go anywhere in your ICE car as where would you fill up! Range anxiety.
jamoor said:
ICE cars will become a niche.
What will drive them to extinction is lack of fuel stations. Imagine if 90% of the cars on the road are EV. You wouldn't want to go anywhere in your ICE car as where would you fill up! Range anxiety.
It will be a long time before the ICE is extinct, as you say they will become increasingly rare as will the skill required to drive them.What will drive them to extinction is lack of fuel stations. Imagine if 90% of the cars on the road are EV. You wouldn't want to go anywhere in your ICE car as where would you fill up! Range anxiety.
The big revolution is not electric cars but self driving cars. Why own a car if you can order a car to take you from your house to the supermarket, work or pub and then it goes off and takes someone else where they want to go and a different vehicle turns up to take you home again? No need to own a car at all (but a bit like railway steam locomotives), there will be a fascination for and a love of ICE cars but the days of mass car ownership are drawing to a close.
Dave Hedgehog said:
someone better tell VW to stop spending the 80billion euro they are investing in EVs pretty quick
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/06/vw-ev-strategy...
The future of the car will be an electric drivetrain but it'll be a hydrogen source of electricity not a conventional battery and it's all going to take much longer than most people think to become mainstream by which time we may not even own cars if the world goes driverless.https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/06/vw-ev-strategy...
TESLA S CLASS KILLER
No matter what you think about electric cars this is the new non-dinosaur on the block and the Tesla S class is now doomed.
It's not been updated in a few years design or mechanically wise, just software updates, and the gloss has gone off it. Tesla is now concentrating on the Ford Escort part of the market with the 3 series.
Will be interesting to see the impact of this on Porsche sales of the Panamera, will there be cannibalisation?
No matter what you think about electric cars this is the new non-dinosaur on the block and the Tesla S class is now doomed.
It's not been updated in a few years design or mechanically wise, just software updates, and the gloss has gone off it. Tesla is now concentrating on the Ford Escort part of the market with the 3 series.
Will be interesting to see the impact of this on Porsche sales of the Panamera, will there be cannibalisation?
borat52 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
someone better tell VW to stop spending the 80billion euro they are investing in EVs pretty quick
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/06/vw-ev-strategy...
The future of the car will be an electric drivetrain but it'll be a hydrogen source of electricity not a conventional battery and it's all going to take much longer than most people think to become mainstream by which time we may not even own cars if the world goes driverless.https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/06/vw-ev-strategy...
Rumblestripe said:
jamoor said:
ICE cars will become a niche.
What will drive them to extinction is lack of fuel stations. Imagine if 90% of the cars on the road are EV. You wouldn't want to go anywhere in your ICE car as where would you fill up! Range anxiety.
It will be a long time before the ICE is extinct, as you say they will become increasingly rare as will the skill required to drive them.What will drive them to extinction is lack of fuel stations. Imagine if 90% of the cars on the road are EV. You wouldn't want to go anywhere in your ICE car as where would you fill up! Range anxiety.
The big revolution is not electric cars but self driving cars. Why own a car if you can order a car to take you from your house to the supermarket, work or pub and then it goes off and takes someone else where they want to go and a different vehicle turns up to take you home again? No need to own a car at all (but a bit like railway steam locomotives), there will be a fascination for and a love of ICE cars but the days of mass car ownership are drawing to a close.
Oh wait....
Also, self-driving cars are never going to happen. Yes, Google can make them drive around in a geo-fenced area of Southern California, but facing down an oncoming tractor on a single-track country lane in Dorset in winter? That's not going to happen for a good, long while ...
sidesauce said:
ery much disagree and that's a particularly bad analogy - the fact you even use recorded mediums as an example shows your age.
We humans will tend to take the path of least resistance over emotional satisfaction which is why kids today don't use physical media, vinyl/cassette/CD or otherwise, and simply stream music from their phones/computers. They don't miss the 'warmth' or 'emotion' of vinyl and even if given the chance to directly compare, the vast majority simply would not care. Why? Because physical mediums are inconvenient. My 21yo niece has never owned a CD and never will. My 11yo nephew would likely have trouble even knowing what a vinyl record player is/does!
Same thing happened with watches; the biggest watchmaker on earth was Seiko as they were successful in developing and mass-manufacturing quartz technology that outperformed every mechanical watch (and almost killed the Swiss industry in the process) only to be replaced in 2015 by the Apple Watch making Apple officially now the largest watch manufacturer on earth in the space of four years...
Yes, I know, mechanical watches are now aspirational objects but they are a luxury, functional piece of jewellery for the few, not a 'bread and butter' type thing for the day to day anymore and no high-end mechanical watch can compete with a 'smart' watches functionality or price point.
Cars are going exactly the same way and in a couple of generations people your age will simply look at ICE'd cars as a curio from a bygone age (just like how we look at steam trains now); yes, there will always be a small fringe of enthusiasts will still indulge in them, as they do with vinyl and watches, but the masses simply will not care. Cleaner, quieter (a MUCH bigger deal than people realise), more reliable with less moving parts, faster and, eventually, more range. Basically convenience and therefore the path of least resistance.
Well said by the driver of a BMW i8. I'll stick with my first gen GT4, Chopard mechanical watch and Leica rangefinder camera. I'm such a luddite!We humans will tend to take the path of least resistance over emotional satisfaction which is why kids today don't use physical media, vinyl/cassette/CD or otherwise, and simply stream music from their phones/computers. They don't miss the 'warmth' or 'emotion' of vinyl and even if given the chance to directly compare, the vast majority simply would not care. Why? Because physical mediums are inconvenient. My 21yo niece has never owned a CD and never will. My 11yo nephew would likely have trouble even knowing what a vinyl record player is/does!
Same thing happened with watches; the biggest watchmaker on earth was Seiko as they were successful in developing and mass-manufacturing quartz technology that outperformed every mechanical watch (and almost killed the Swiss industry in the process) only to be replaced in 2015 by the Apple Watch making Apple officially now the largest watch manufacturer on earth in the space of four years...
Yes, I know, mechanical watches are now aspirational objects but they are a luxury, functional piece of jewellery for the few, not a 'bread and butter' type thing for the day to day anymore and no high-end mechanical watch can compete with a 'smart' watches functionality or price point.
Cars are going exactly the same way and in a couple of generations people your age will simply look at ICE'd cars as a curio from a bygone age (just like how we look at steam trains now); yes, there will always be a small fringe of enthusiasts will still indulge in them, as they do with vinyl and watches, but the masses simply will not care. Cleaner, quieter (a MUCH bigger deal than people realise), more reliable with less moving parts, faster and, eventually, more range. Basically convenience and therefore the path of least resistance.
NDNDNDND said:
Precisely, just look at how private car ownership took a nosedive after the invention of the taxi.
Oh wait....
Also, self-driving cars are never going to happen. Yes, Google can make them drive around in a geo-fenced area of Southern California, but facing down an oncoming tractor on a single-track country lane in Dorset in winter? That's not going to happen for a good, long while ...
So which is it? Are they never going to happen or just not going to happen for a good, long while...Oh wait....
Also, self-driving cars are never going to happen. Yes, Google can make them drive around in a geo-fenced area of Southern California, but facing down an oncoming tractor on a single-track country lane in Dorset in winter? That's not going to happen for a good, long while ...
Edited by gigglebug on Friday 23 August 17:41
Klippie said:
I agree its on a slippery slope, all this high tech nonsense is so the snowflakes and millennials have something to play with so they don't feel detached from their phones for too long.
High tech nonsense? The defining factor of the electric car is its ability to significantly reduce the amount of energy required to perform the same task. Ignorantly picking the easy targets to blame it on will never change that fact. Mikehig said:
So, just as you swipe the screen, the car hits a bump and everything flips to blow-drying your passenger (who is wetting themselves as you scrabble around with eyes off the road).
Then, if I read this correctly, you have to go a different screen to change the temperature? Makes me wonder if the designers actually do any driving, in real cars on real roads.
Nightmare.
I keep hearing this stuff but, really, how often does anyone adjust the temperature in a modern climate-controlled car? The temperature you’re comfortable at is unlikely to change all that much from day to day. It isn’t like the old days where the “temperature” control was actually just a radiator valve.Then, if I read this correctly, you have to go a different screen to change the temperature? Makes me wonder if the designers actually do any driving, in real cars on real roads.
Nightmare.
These things are configuration options (set and leave) not driving controls.
Or am I just odd in this regard?
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