RE: Jannarelly Design-1 | Driven

[Futse]

macky17 said:

Futse said:

LotusOmega375D said:

Isn’t this position in the market well catered for by Lotus with the Exige and Evora? Both transverse V6 middies with much more power than this.

The position of a hatchback was well catered for by a Golf. And yet there seems to be some competition there... What's your point? Because there is 1 or 2 cars in a market segment, nobody should release another car in that same segment? I'm all for competition and choice - saying this as an Elise owner by the way :-)

I believe he was simply addressing the impression given by the article that this is an unoccupied niche in the market. The more the merrier. Without TVR, what else is there to compete with other than Lotus? Has to be an Evora for me at 6-4 - would like to know whether the design-1 caters for tall drivers...

Ok, apologies. Reacted a bit too quick there I believe...

[otolith]

Days Like These said:

“...but try finding an unappealing angle.“

Erm... the front? The front 3/4? The side?

The rear looks good, and I like the concept, but a Nissan V6 for £85k? Doesn’t look like a quality product, either. Would *much* rather have one of the new TVRs if/when they are made.

Hmm. Engine provenance snobbery and TVR don’t go well together. Long history of third party engines, building their own was pretty disastrous and the new one is getting a Ford V8.

I would say a good engine is a good engine, wherever it’s from.

[SpudLink]

LotusOmega375D said:

Isn’t this position in the market well catered for by Lotus with the Exige and Evora? Both transverse V6 middies with much more power than this.

The long bonnet design will appeal as an alternative to the mid-engined wedge. Also, it seems they are going for boutique style individuality. (Instead of ‘special edition of the day’ from Lotus.)

If it were a UK company it would be squeezing into a very tight niche. However as a Dubai company I doubt they’ll have trouble finding buyers for the 499 production run.

[BogBeast]

I like. Would buy one if I didn't have a load of other project lined up.

Good luck to them

[fido]

I get Z4M Coupe reflected in a wonky mirror.

[lotuslover69]

I like the look of it.

Not keen on that interior though and there appears to be no airbag which i assumed is now a requirement?

[DS240]

I like the idea of it. Nice to have different stuff out there.

My improvement would be a restyle around the rear top scoops. What is their function?

It like it with them removed and simply a nice curved section instead.

[GTRene]

looks like fun

[anonymous-user]

otolith said:

Hmm. Engine provenance snobbery and TVR don’t go well together. Long history of third party engines, building their own was pretty disastrous and the new one is getting a Ford V8.

I would say a good engine is a good engine, wherever it’s from.

Agreed, but the Nissan V6 from the Z cars/Murano is widely seen as a deeply unspecial lump... a lot more exciting in a car weighing under a tonne I’m sure, but it would rule out me spending 85k on something.

New TVR has a Cosworth-fettled 5.0 V8 from a Mustang, forgive me for thinking that’s more exciting!

I don’t have a problem with third party engines, it’s a sensible route for most small manufacturers... especially nowadays what with emissions etc.

Re: a previous poster, I’m pretty sure the new TVR is c.100k, and for something a fair bit more usable.

I don’t mean to knock it, every new sportscar is a good thing, but £85k for that?

[TartanPaint]

I see it's causing some excitement in others, but other than it seems like value for money I really can't think of a single nice thing to say about it.

It looks like a kit car that was designed by 5 different 13 year olds.

[otolith]

Days Like These said:

Agreed, but the Nissan V6 from the Z cars/Murano is widely seen as a deeply unspecial lump... a lot more exciting in a car weighing under a tonne I’m sure, but it would rule out me spending 85k on something.

I thought it was quite a nice lump in its own way - sole redeeming feature of the 350Z...

I would not have picked the one we had for a lightweight car, it didn’t really like to rev and had a torque curve more like a V8 than a V6, but I understand later versions are better in that respect, and people do like V8 sports cars too. It did make a lovely noise, which you can’t really say about my preferred sort of engine for an 800kg sports car.

[unpc]

This looks like my kind of car and it looks front engined but as it's not I'll pass.

I get the benefits of a mid engined layout but I just prefer front engined rear wheel drive cars. Prefer the way they feel.

[GTRene]

Days Like These said:

Agreed, but the Nissan V6 from the Z cars/Murano is widely seen as a deeply unspecial lump... a lot more exciting in a car weighing under a tonne I’m sure, but it would rule out me spending 85k on something.

Agreed, I see it more like a 50<>65k kar, a fun/extra car.

[Darryl247W]

In a world of heavy tech-ladden blobs, it's nice to see something so purist launched. Good luck to 'em I say.

[borat52]

LotusOmega375D said:

Isn’t this position in the market well catered for by Lotus with the Exige and Evora? Both transverse V6 middies with much more power than this.

This is 810Kg (if that's a true weight given) whereas an Evora is 1361kg. Absolutely huge difference.
Gives this a power/weight of 0.39 bhp/kg whereas an Evora has 0.30 bhp/kg

The exige 430 is 1110kg and 430bhp giving the same 0.39bhp/kg - its £105k for reference and I'd take a lighter car with the same power weight any day as a fun toy.

Even a new elise is 924Kg with "just" 217hbp (0.23bhp/kg).


A Sagaris was 406bhp at 1078Kg if you got one like a press car which is 0.37bhp/kg. What an achievement that was near 15 years ago!

[SlimJim16v]

It mostly works, but like a lot of cars, would look better if it was all the same colour and with silver wheels.

Surprised at the top speed being only 135mph.

[JxJ Jr.]

Weight distribution looks like it might be a bit rear-biased.

[Gio G]

Saw this car at Salon Prive on Friday and spoke to the designer. Quite impressive close up but did not leave a lasting impression.. Given that this is a French car, such a shame they could not find a powerful French derived engine. Would have an Alpine over this all day long!

G

[chelme]

I like it. It has real potential.

[andy97]

unpc said:

This looks like my kind of car and it looks front engined but as it's not I'll pass.

I get the benefits of a mid engined layout but I just prefer front engined rear wheel drive cars. Prefer the way they feel.

I certainly thought it was front/ mid engined when I saw the pictures and wish it was.

JxJ Jiiir. said:

Weight distribution looks like it might be a bit rear-biased.

Agreed. Could be interesting handling.