Current "safe" speed(ing) limit on French autoroute?

[Johnniem]

bolidemichael said:

deckster said:

bolidemichael said:

Yes, but using waze raises awareness of potential danger spots, which are policed through the presence of speed cameras. No one likes an accident to sour an otherwise safe and swift journey on excellent roads with fantastic visibility, whilst travelling in modern vehicles capable of traversing autobahns in safety.

Right on. You tell that the the nice gendarme and let us know how you get on.

Describe the 'scary bedtime story' scenario to me, of that one time that daddy got caught using waze... I'll re-hash it for Halloween.

Using a detector is as illegal as speeding. That is all that is being said. Other than that, take the information and do what the hell you want, as everyone else will. I was merely showing that the advice someone was giving to 'use Waze' was as erroneous as telling them to keep on speeding.

[bigdom]

Johnniem said:

bolidemichael said:

deckster said:

bolidemichael said:

Yes, but using waze raises awareness of potential danger spots, which are policed through the presence of speed cameras. No one likes an accident to sour an otherwise safe and swift journey on excellent roads with fantastic visibility, whilst travelling in modern vehicles capable of traversing autobahns in safety.

Right on. You tell that the the nice gendarme and let us know how you get on.

Describe the 'scary bedtime story' scenario to me, of that one time that daddy got caught using waze... I'll re-hash it for Halloween.

Using a detector is as illegal as speeding. That is all that is being said. Other than that, take the information and do what the hell you want, as everyone else will. I was merely showing that the advice someone was giving to 'use Waze' was as erroneous as telling them to keep on speeding.

Plenty of misleading statements on Waze. Waze does not pinpoint the position of radar cameras which is illegal in France but it will announce control zones where cameras may be used. These zones, are highlighted on the side of the road with road zones, so a handy backup, if for instance a lorry blocks it when you’re passing them.

[Exige77]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Exige77 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

braddo said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Exige77 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Even the speed limits in this country would not be too bad, if people just stuck to them, but unfortunately for several reasons they don't.
Try doing 70 mph in the centre lane on most motorways, and you will find that you have to keep changing lanes to pass people who are doing 60 -65 on the centre lane. If they just stuck to the motorway NSL good progress can be made legally.
In France it is a different situation, Just like a ship does not need to be going fast to cover great distances, on French motorways they are so lightly trafficked, a driver can easily sit at the dry motorway speed limit for long spells at a time, only pulling out to overtake the HGV traffic in the nearside lane. The main problem with UK roads is that they are grossly over crowded and congested for most of the time, which makes sticking to the speed limit difficult if not impossible for most of the time.

Are you one of these people that sit in the middle lane ?

One of the reasons our motorways are so congested I dare say.

Are you one of those people who continually breaks the law, because you have got a `sports car' and that is what they are for init?
I always travel at the posted limit where road conditions allow. If I am in the middle lane travelling at the posted limit, there is still the outer lane for anyone who believes the law does not apply to them. Does your car have a throttle pedal which allows you to control what speed it is doing, or does it just have an on- off switch in place o a throttle, which means you are either stopped, or going flat out, with nothing in between?

You could have just answered, "Yes."

I agree Exige77 could have just answered yes. But it seems you too are one of those who believes the law does not apply to you.?

I rest my case.

Coz limit innit old boy

You can`t rest your case yet, you haven't told us how far above the law you are.

You keep coming back for more ridicule don’t you ?

You are that middle lane moron breaking the law we all hate aren’t you ?

“Im going the limit so I can drive in any lane and block the motorway as you shouldn’t be going faster than me !!! Don’t you know who I am ?”

Your a hazard to other road users.

[Deesee]

FFS!

180 KPH is comfortable!

[Pan Pan Pan]

Exige77 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Exige77 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

braddo said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Exige77 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Even the speed limits in this country would not be too bad, if people just stuck to them, but unfortunately for several reasons they don't.
Try doing 70 mph in the centre lane on most motorways, and you will find that you have to keep changing lanes to pass people who are doing 60 -65 on the centre lane. If they just stuck to the motorway NSL good progress can be made legally.
In France it is a different situation, Just like a ship does not need to be going fast to cover great distances, on French motorways they are so lightly trafficked, a driver can easily sit at the dry motorway speed limit for long spells at a time, only pulling out to overtake the HGV traffic in the nearside lane. The main problem with UK roads is that they are grossly over crowded and congested for most of the time, which makes sticking to the speed limit difficult if not impossible for most of the time.

Are you one of these people that sit in the middle lane ?

One of the reasons our motorways are so congested I dare say.

Are you one of those people who continually breaks the law, because you have got a `sports car' and that is what they are for init?
I always travel at the posted limit where road conditions allow. If I am in the middle lane travelling at the posted limit, there is still the outer lane for anyone who believes the law does not apply to them. Does your car have a throttle pedal which allows you to control what speed it is doing, or does it just have an on- off switch in place o a throttle, which means you are either stopped, or going flat out, with nothing in between?

You could have just answered, "Yes."

I agree Exige77 could have just answered yes. But it seems you too are one of those who believes the law does not apply to you.?

I rest my case.

Coz limit innit old boy

You can`t rest your case yet, you haven't told us how far above the law you are.

You keep coming back for more ridicule don’t you ?

You are that middle lane moron breaking the law we all hate aren’t you ?

“Im going the limit so I can drive in any lane and block the motorway as you shouldn’t be going faster than me !!! Don’t you know who I am ?”

Your a hazard to other road users.

I doubt you have ever been on the same road as me, at the same time, so your spouting of rubbish regarding people driving at the posted limit in the centre lane, (which you have no way of substantiating) is showing you up as being the idiot here.
What is the problem? if you come up behind someone in the centre lane, who is travelling at the poste limit, when you are travelling at well over the legal limit, don't you have the brains to signal and move into the outer lane to get past, or should everyone else on the roads get out of your way when you want to break the law? if your car control when you are breaking the law is so monstrously poor it seems you need every lane available to allow you to break the law without hitting something.
If there is a hazard to other road users, it must be you, as you are someone who wants to speed every where, regardless of posted limits or road conditions, but it seems you need an entire motorway`s width to do that without hitting something, wouldn't a push bike be a bit safer for you? It would for everyone else on the roads around you.

[Superleg48]

Pan Pan Pan said:

I doubt you have ever been on the same road as me, at the same time, so your spouting of rubbish regarding people driving at the posted limit in the centre lane, (which you have no way of substantiating) is showing you up as being the idiot here.
What is the problem? if you come up behind someone in the centre lane, who is travelling at the poste limit, when you are travelling at well over the legal limit, don't you have the brains to signal and move into the outer lane to get past, or should everyone else on the roads get out of your way when you want to break the law? if your car control when you are breaking the law is so monstrously poor it seems you need every lane available to allow you to break the law without hitting something.
If there is a hazard to other road users, it must be you, as you are someone who wants to speed every where, regardless of posted limits or road conditions, but it seems you need an entire motorway`s width to do that without hitting something, wouldn't a push bike be a bit safer for you? It would for everyone else on the roads around you.

Yes, but sitting in the middle lane of a 3 lane carriageway is also idiotic in the first place, irrespective of speed. Keep left unless overtaking.

I am powerfully built company director and a driving god. Thank you.

[irocfan]

Pan Pan Pan said:

I doubt you have ever been on the same road as me, at the same time, so your spouting of rubbish regarding people driving at the posted limit in the centre lane, (which you have no way of substantiating) is showing you up as being the idiot here.
What is the problem? if you come up behind someone in the centre lane, who is travelling at the poste limit, when you are travelling at well over the legal limit, don't you have the brains to signal and move into the outer lane to get past, or should everyone else on the roads get out of your way when you want to break the law? if your car control when you are breaking the law is so monstrously poor it seems you need every lane available to allow you to break the law without hitting something.
If there is a hazard to other road users, it must be you, as you are someone who wants to speed every where, regardless of posted limits or road conditions, but it seems you need an entire motorway`s width to do that without hitting something, wouldn't a push bike be a bit safer for you? It would for everyone else on the roads around you.

And yet you'll happily ignore the HWC when it suits you (keep to the left unless overtaking)... hmmmm

[CSK1]

Gendarmes have to take your license from 40 KM/H above the speed limit.
They'll take your British license and post it back to you, you will later get a court sentence giving you a temporary ban of driving in France, this is if you exceeded the 40 KM/H above limit threshold.
I know as this was explained to me by a nice gendarme who fined me just below this threshold "because if I fine you for the actual speed you were doing I'd have to take your license on the spot Sir" so he wrote down 39 KM/H above the speed limit, fined me €90 on the spot and sent me on my way advising me to stay below the 40 KM/H above the speed limit.
Nice bloke he was, thanked him for his advice which I obey to ever since.
Motorway equals 170 KM/H max, careful at 110 zones, reduce your speed to 150 and extra careful for 90 restricted zones, often road works where they will catch you out (that's where Clarkson and Co got busted.
And Waze is completely legal as is Coyote which gives you location of fixed cameras and mobile speed traps (hidden gendarmes with a speed gun), they are not supposed to give you the exact location but it is always at 3/4 of the "danger zone" which is 4,000 M the trap will be at 3,000 M, be it fixed or hidden.
You can download he Coyote app or buy the device.
Speed detectors are banned but Waze and Coyote relies on exchange of information between drivers which is legal.
There's no harm or danger involved if your speed is adapted to the weather and traffic situation. Doing 150 or 170 KM/H on a deserted motorway on a sunny day isn't dangerous.
Doing 60 KM/H where 50 is allowed in town can be dangerous.
It's all a question of adapting your speed to the situation you're in.
Problem is that everyone tells you in France 130 is safe, you're not at risk and people fall asleep. And above 130 you:re the bad guy who needs to be taught a lesson!

[Kolbenkopp]

Merci for the nice summary! Just in case, I will switch the satnav POIs off for the way back -- and use Waze or Coyote instead. And glad that gendarme was such a friendly chap...

CSK1 said:

There's no harm or danger involved if your speed is adapted to the weather and traffic situation. Doing 150 or 170 KM/H on a deserted motorway on a sunny day isn't dangerous. Doing 60 KM/H where 50 is allowed in town can be dangerous. It's all a question of adapting your speed to the situation you're in.

For the 'legalists' frothing at the mouth -- the quoted bit says it all really. Speed is not the problem, it's the inflexible law that - quite literally in this case -- stands in the way of progress. Bit of critical thinking can't hurt, and coincidently this [1] came up on the radio while pleasantly breaking the law on the way to Normandie... France is great really, not only for one of the best highway networks on the planet...

[1] https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/la-conversa...

[dcb]

CSK1 said:

Gendarmes have to take your license from 40 KM/H above the speed limit.
They'll take your British license and post it back to you, you will later get a court sentence giving you a temporary ban of driving in France, this is if you exceeded the 40 KM/H above limit threshold.

Strong assertion. Is there any independent website that verifies your assertion, perhaps ?
At least two other websites, both of which look official, say different.

40 kmh over is somewhat taking the mickey. French coppers would have to
be seen to be doing something for that degree over.

They don't seem to bother getting their books out for 20-30 kmh over the limit.

[bolidemichael]

Thank goodness for two consecutive posts of sanity!

[Mark83]

Similarly as strict in Belgium. I was caught out by a temporary 90km/h speed restriction for poor air quality around Liege. They wrote down 1km under the banning threshold and fined me €200. I just don't speed anymore.

[SuperPav]

Here is my experience/advice.

We used to blast up and down the autoroutes at over 200kmh in the past - those days are over! Largely because in the past you could set off all the speeding cameras and it would amount to nothing. As of a couple of years ago, they WILL send you a fine if you trigger a camera (although it does appear to be slightly discretionary as to how much over you are when it goes off).

We've also been stopped for speeding by a real human gendarme, caught at around 160-165kmh on a 130 limit. That was an on the spot fine (don't remember how much but less than 100 euros), the problem is it's cash only. So we had to drive around 10km to the nearest village with a cash point, then drive back. All in all no drama as such, especially given the driver didn't even have his driver's license with him (!) so the paperwork took a bit longer.

They don't appear too bothered if doing about 140-145kmh indicated...
With all of the above, we've recently generally stuck to about 140-145kmh, as the one thing that the fixed fine did was most certainly wipe out any time saving we would have made by going at the higher speed, and as a result we missed our crossing! So yes, you definitely get there faster especially if going across the whole country at that higher speed, but be prepared to lose all of that benefit IF you do get stopped.

And I certainly wouldn't entertain doing over 170kmh regularly if you have to ever go back to france and/or haven't got another driver who can take over once they've taken your license.

[Exige77]

irocfan said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I doubt you have ever been on the same road as me, at the same time, so your spouting of rubbish regarding people driving at the posted limit in the centre lane, (which you have no way of substantiating) is showing you up as being the idiot here.
What is the problem? if you come up behind someone in the centre lane, who is travelling at the poste limit, when you are travelling at well over the legal limit, don't you have the brains to signal and move into the outer lane to get past, or should everyone else on the roads get out of your way when you want to break the law? if your car control when you are breaking the law is so monstrously poor it seems you need every lane available to allow you to break the law without hitting something.
If there is a hazard to other road users, it must be you, as you are someone who wants to speed every where, regardless of posted limits or road conditions, but it seems you need an entire motorway`s width to do that without hitting something, wouldn't a push bike be a bit safer for you? It would for everyone else on the roads around you.

And yet you'll happily ignore the HWC when it suits you (keep to the left unless overtaking)... hmmmm

Don’t waste your time with this retard. He thinks his constant law breaking is ok but everyone else’s is unacceptable as occasional speeding is always dangerous.

These deep seated views are a big contributor to why our motorways are always so congested.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Superleg48 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I doubt you have ever been on the same road as me, at the same time, so your spouting of rubbish regarding people driving at the posted limit in the centre lane, (which you have no way of substantiating) is showing you up as being the idiot here.
What is the problem? if you come up behind someone in the centre lane, who is travelling at the poste limit, when you are travelling at well over the legal limit, don't you have the brains to signal and move into the outer lane to get past, or should everyone else on the roads get out of your way when you want to break the law? if your car control when you are breaking the law is so monstrously poor it seems you need every lane available to allow you to break the law without hitting something.
If there is a hazard to other road users, it must be you, as you are someone who wants to speed every where, regardless of posted limits or road conditions, but it seems you need an entire motorway`s width to do that without hitting something, wouldn't a push bike be a bit safer for you? It would for everyone else on the roads around you.

Yes, but sitting in the middle lane of a 3 lane carriageway is also idiotic in the first place, irrespective of speed. Keep left unless overtaking.

I am powerfully built company director and a driving god. Thank you.

Who is `sitting' in the middle lane of a three lane of a 3 lane carriageway?
What is idiotic, is to be travelling at the NSL in the centre lane of a 3 lane carriageway with a packed inside lane, but then having to keep slowing down so as to slot in between HGV`s and other vehicles doing 60mph or less in the inner lane, and then have to leave the inside lane, and accelerate back up to the NSL, just so that a tw*t like exige77 can carry on breaking the law, because he has not got the brains, or coordination to signal, move into the outer lane, and simply overtake, which is what most people who want to exceed the limit, but who have more than one brain cell would do.
If he wants to break the law by driving everywhere at speeds well above the posted limit, that is his business, but to expect people who are driving at the legal limit to get out of his way, because he is either too stupid, or too lazy to change lanes to overtake them, is truly ridiculous.

[Exige77]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Superleg48 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I doubt you have ever been on the same road as me, at the same time, so your spouting of rubbish regarding people driving at the posted limit in the centre lane, (which you have no way of substantiating) is showing you up as being the idiot here.
What is the problem? if you come up behind someone in the centre lane, who is travelling at the poste limit, when you are travelling at well over the legal limit, don't you have the brains to signal and move into the outer lane to get past, or should everyone else on the roads get out of your way when you want to break the law? if your car control when you are breaking the law is so monstrously poor it seems you need every lane available to allow you to break the law without hitting something.
If there is a hazard to other road users, it must be you, as you are someone who wants to speed every where, regardless of posted limits or road conditions, but it seems you need an entire motorway`s width to do that without hitting something, wouldn't a push bike be a bit safer for you? It would for everyone else on the roads around you.

Yes, but sitting in the middle lane of a 3 lane carriageway is also idiotic in the first place, irrespective of speed. Keep left unless overtaking.

I am powerfully built company director and a driving god. Thank you.

Who is `sitting' in the middle lane of a three lane of a 3 lane carriageway?
What is idiotic, is to be travelling at the NSL in the centre lane of a 3 lane carriageway with a packed inside lane, but then having to keep slowing down so as to slot in between HGV`s and other vehicles doing 60mph or less in the inner lane, and then have to leave the inside lane, and accelerate back up to the NSL, just so that a tw*t like exige77 can carry on breaking the law, because he has not got the brains, or coordination to signal, move into the outer lane, and simply overtake, which is what most people who want to exceed the limit, but who have more than one brain cell would do.
If he wants to break the law by driving everywhere at speeds well above the posted limit, that is his business, but to expect people who are driving at the legal limit to get out of his way, because he is either too stupid, or too lazy to change lanes to overtake them, is truly ridiculous.

The stupidity continues

Where does it say “driving everywhere at speeds well above the posted limit” ?

Only in your post I think.

People like you become obsessed with speeding.
Most people speed every day but usually by a few mph and then for a short time where appropriate.

This thread is about speed on the French autoroute (check the title). Most French Autoroutes are two (2) lane. If people like you drive at the posted limit in the overtaking lane, you are blocking the motorway.

You have turned this thread into a reckless speeding everywhere thread.

Well done !!

As I clearly mentioned above, I don’t speed on French motorways. I’m not sure what your contribution to this thread is other then bleating on about reckless speeding ?

[Pan Pan Pan]

Exige77 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Superleg48 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I doubt you have ever been on the same road as me, at the same time, so your spouting of rubbish regarding people driving at the posted limit in the centre lane, (which you have no way of substantiating) is showing you up as being the idiot here.
What is the problem? if you come up behind someone in the centre lane, who is travelling at the poste limit, when you are travelling at well over the legal limit, don't you have the brains to signal and move into the outer lane to get past, or should everyone else on the roads get out of your way when you want to break the law? if your car control when you are breaking the law is so monstrously poor it seems you need every lane available to allow you to break the law without hitting something.
If there is a hazard to other road users, it must be you, as you are someone who wants to speed every where, regardless of posted limits or road conditions, but it seems you need an entire motorway`s width to do that without hitting something, wouldn't a push bike be a bit safer for you? It would for everyone else on the roads around you.

Yes, but sitting in the middle lane of a 3 lane carriageway is also idiotic in the first place, irrespective of speed. Keep left unless overtaking.

I am powerfully built company director and a driving god. Thank you.

Who is `sitting' in the middle lane of a three lane of a 3 lane carriageway?
What is idiotic, is to be travelling at the NSL in the centre lane of a 3 lane carriageway with a packed inside lane, but then having to keep slowing down so as to slot in between HGV`s and other vehicles doing 60mph or less in the inner lane, and then have to leave the inside lane, and accelerate back up to the NSL, just so that a tw*t like exige77 can carry on breaking the law, because he has not got the brains, or coordination to signal, move into the outer lane, and simply overtake, which is what most people who want to exceed the limit, but who have more than one brain cell would do.
If he wants to break the law by driving everywhere at speeds well above the posted limit, that is his business, but to expect people who are driving at the legal limit to get out of his way, because he is either too stupid, or too lazy to change lanes to overtake them, is truly ridiculous.

The stupidity continues

Where does it say “driving everywhere at speeds well above the posted limit” ?

Only in your post I think.

People like you become obsessed with speeding.
Most people speed every day but usually by a few mph and then for a short time where appropriate.

This thread is about speed on the French autoroute (check the title). Most French Autoroutes are two (2) lane. If people like you drive at the posted limit in the overtaking lane, you are blocking the motorway.

You have turned this thread into a reckless speeding everywhere thread.

Well done !!

As I clearly mentioned above, I don’t speed on French motorways. I’m not sure what your contribution to this thread is other then bleating on about reckless speeding ?

If you would care to look, my contribution to this thread was to say that on French motorways, exceeding the posted limit is not really necessary, because even when travelling at the useful French dry road limit of 130 kph, great distances can easily be covered legally.
Where in any of my posts did I say that I stay in the outer lane after overtaking a vehicle in the inside lane, just because I am travelling at the posted limit, even when there are vehicles behind me who want to exceed the limit? you made that up, because the fact is I did not say any such thing..
What you seem to be saying, is that people who are travelling legally at the posted limit in the centre lane of a 3 lane carriageway, must dive out of the way, and into the slower moving inside lane, whenever someone who wants to break the limit comes up behind, (when all a competent faster driver has to do, is signal,, move into the outside lane, and overtake)
If someone driving fast, does not have the skill to keep their car between the lane markings when travelling fast, why should someone who is driving legally at the posted limit in the centre lane, have to get out of the way, into the nearside lane, to facilitate that driver breaking the law?
Making a driver in the centre lane, who is travelling legally at the posted limit having to keep on diving into the slower usually busy inside lane, just so another driver who wants to exceed the posted limit can do so without having to move to the outer lane to overtake is absolute nonsense. Essentially penalizing someone who is driving legally, to accommodate someone else who wants to drive illegally.

[Exige77]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Exige77 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Superleg48 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I doubt you have ever been on the same road as me, at the same time, so your spouting of rubbish regarding people driving at the posted limit in the centre lane, (which you have no way of substantiating) is showing you up as being the idiot here.
What is the problem? if you come up behind someone in the centre lane, who is travelling at the poste limit, when you are travelling at well over the legal limit, don't you have the brains to signal and move into the outer lane to get past, or should everyone else on the roads get out of your way when you want to break the law? if your car control when you are breaking the law is so monstrously poor it seems you need every lane available to allow you to break the law without hitting something.
If there is a hazard to other road users, it must be you, as you are someone who wants to speed every where, regardless of posted limits or road conditions, but it seems you need an entire motorway`s width to do that without hitting something, wouldn't a push bike be a bit safer for you? It would for everyone else on the roads around you.

Yes, but sitting in the middle lane of a 3 lane carriageway is also idiotic in the first place, irrespective of speed. Keep left unless overtaking.

I am powerfully built company director and a driving god. Thank you.

Who is `sitting' in the middle lane of a three lane of a 3 lane carriageway?
What is idiotic, is to be travelling at the NSL in the centre lane of a 3 lane carriageway with a packed inside lane, but then having to keep slowing down so as to slot in between HGV`s and other vehicles doing 60mph or less in the inner lane, and then have to leave the inside lane, and accelerate back up to the NSL, just so that a tw*t like exige77 can carry on breaking the law, because he has not got the brains, or coordination to signal, move into the outer lane, and simply overtake, which is what most people who want to exceed the limit, but who have more than one brain cell would do.
If he wants to break the law by driving everywhere at speeds well above the posted limit, that is his business, but to expect people who are driving at the legal limit to get out of his way, because he is either too stupid, or too lazy to change lanes to overtake them, is truly ridiculous.

The stupidity continues

Where does it say “driving everywhere at speeds well above the posted limit” ?

Only in your post I think.

People like you become obsessed with speeding.
Most people speed every day but usually by a few mph and then for a short time where appropriate.

This thread is about speed on the French autoroute (check the title). Most French Autoroutes are two (2) lane. If people like you drive at the posted limit in the overtaking lane, you are blocking the motorway.

You have turned this thread into a reckless speeding everywhere thread.

Well done !!

As I clearly mentioned above, I don’t speed on French motorways. I’m not sure what your contribution to this thread is other then bleating on about reckless speeding ?

If you would care to look, my contribution to this thread was to say that on French motorways, exceeding the posted limit is not really necessary, because even when travelling at the useful French dry road limit of 130 kph, great distances can easily be covered legally.
Where in any of my posts did I say that I stay in the outer lane after overtaking a vehicle in the inside lane, just because I am travelling at the posted limit, even when there are vehicles behind me who want to exceed the limit? you made that up, because the fact is I did not say any such thing..
What you seem to be saying, is that people who are travelling legally at the posted limit in the centre lane of a 3 lane carriageway, must dive out of the way, and into the slower moving inside lane, whenever someone who wants to break the limit comes up behind, (when all a competent faster driver has to do, is signal,, move into the outside lane, and overtake)
If someone driving fast, does not have the skill to keep their car between the lane markings when travelling fast, why should someone who is driving legally at the posted limit in the centre lane, have to get out of the way, into the nearside lane, to facilitate that driver breaking the law?
Making a driver in the centre lane, who is travelling legally at the posted limit having to keep on diving into the slower usually busy inside lane, just so another driver who wants to exceed the posted limit can do so without having to move to the outer lane to overtake is absolute nonsense. Essentially penalizing someone who is driving legally, to accommodate someone else who wants to drive illegally.

Your using emotive language as all anti speed people do.

There’s no need to “dive” out of the overtaking lane. It’s for overtaking only. Once you finish your overtake, you should move back to the driving lane, in our case the left lane. It’s the law. If you don’t do it, you’re not driving legally. This is the part you don’t get.

You make it sound so easy when you say faster vehicles should just indicate and overtake. The reality on British roads is there is usually a queue of vehicles in the overtaking lanes trying to get past a slower vehicle, in an overtaking lane while not overtaking. This is illegal.

By taking your moral high ground position you like people to think your law breaking is not as bad as other people’s law breaking because theirs is about speeding and that’s much worse.

[CSK1]

I think they take 7 KM/H off the recorded speed which is the "error margin" so basically if you're doing 170 on the speedo you're under the 40 excess in a 130 limit.
Yes they only take cash, I always have €90 ready in the glove box of all my cars.

[Exige77]

CSK1 said:

I think they take 7 KM/H off the recorded speed which is the "error margin" so basically if you're doing 170 on the speedo you're under the 40 excess in a 130 limit.
Yes they only take cash, I always have €90 ready in the glove box of all my cars.

Most I’ve seen will give you a 5 ~8 Kmph margin.

Here’s one from a 80 road.

Edited by Exige77 on Tuesday 8th October 12:55