Honest John and Left Foot Braking?
Discussion
Toltec said:
All sorts of reason, very useful for control while parking on a steep hill, similarly on a steep junction. Reduces the control gap while moving your foot between pedals and keeps the car more balanced as you can make a smoother transition between braking and acceleration.
Going further when using a little braking into corners to get a better feel on turn in you can also use it on the way out to compensate for the way an auto in some cars will kick down abruptly. Again in some cars the time it takes between pressing the accelerator can be a bit variable so you can demand a little early and use the brake to time when you actually want to accelerate. This is tenths of seconds stuff, not necessary, but nice to be able to do.
I'd actually like the brake pedal in an EV to act with the accelerator as a front/rear torque proportioning control.
It may be nice to be able to do but it is literally pointless on public roads if you're driving "normally". It saves time and helps with load transfer and (IMHO) if a person is so close to the limit on a public road that they need to left-foot brake to assist with load-transfer they're probably driving like a twunt.Going further when using a little braking into corners to get a better feel on turn in you can also use it on the way out to compensate for the way an auto in some cars will kick down abruptly. Again in some cars the time it takes between pressing the accelerator can be a bit variable so you can demand a little early and use the brake to time when you actually want to accelerate. This is tenths of seconds stuff, not necessary, but nice to be able to do.
I'd actually like the brake pedal in an EV to act with the accelerator as a front/rear torque proportioning control.
I left-foot-brake in an auto, have done for years. It allows a much smoother drive as you can overlap the brakes and power to avoid that jerkiness that older autos have, especially when rolling out of junctions where the transition from braking to accelerating can be done quicker and smoother.
The main gain though is that I can keep my left foot over the brake pedal in areas such as around schools etc... so my overall reaction/braking time will be lower as I have no need to move my right foot from one pedal to the other before I can brake.
Quite why you would not left foot brake in an auto I don't really see - once you are used to it there are a few upsides and no downsides.
The main gain though is that I can keep my left foot over the brake pedal in areas such as around schools etc... so my overall reaction/braking time will be lower as I have no need to move my right foot from one pedal to the other before I can brake.
Quite why you would not left foot brake in an auto I don't really see - once you are used to it there are a few upsides and no downsides.
TimoMak said:
Every week I read the same nonsense about autos. He is obsessed. These oaps who launch their automatics into buildings while trying to park simply shouldn’t be driving, left foot braking is only going to confuse them further.
Agreed, our local estate agents now has a three-ply front window with the notice 'You are welcome to come and view our properties, but please leave your car outside'buggalugs said:
You can alter the balance of the car in corners but the public roads are no place for that kind of shinanigins,
It's sometimes nice to build a tiny bit of boost against the brakes when you're getting ready to nail a tiny gap though.
I know it isn't what you really meant, however it is literally impossible to drive a car without altering its balance, it happens every time you change speed or direction. Controlling the rate of change of acceleration is how you drive smoothly. Perhaps it is more inate to bike riders, for me it is no different than stirring while you add the boiled water to a cup. It's sometimes nice to build a tiny bit of boost against the brakes when you're getting ready to nail a tiny gap though.
The best drivers are often the smoothest drivers, part of it comes from mechanical smoothness and partly from observation and anticipation.
Why not do something that smooths progress?
You only have to look at what happens when the weather conditions or grip levels change to see that few people drive smoothly.
Why not do something that smooths progress?
You only have to look at what happens when the weather conditions or grip levels change to see that few people drive smoothly.
I have noticed one issue with lfb in an auto, if you are covering the brake in busy traffic to allow for people doing stupid manoeuvres and you go to moderate braking the cars emergency braking assist can cut in. I'm guessing it is seeing the tiny gap between the accelerator movement and brake activation and triggering.
borcy said:
Haven't looked on his site in quite a while, he used to do loads of reviews on odd far eastern cars that you couldn't get here like nissan micra saloons .
I think his wife was from Thailand.
He used to go out there quite a lot.I think his wife was from Thailand.
He used to live in Walton on Thames. Don't know if he still does.
The Mad Monk said:
borcy said:
Haven't looked on his site in quite a while, he used to do loads of reviews on odd far eastern cars that you couldn't get here like nissan micra saloons .
I think his wife was from Thailand.
He used to go out there quite a lot.I think his wife was from Thailand.
He used to live in Walton on Thames. Don't know if he still does.
What the f
k has his wife, got to do with *anything*?I can just imagine a face to face discussion with the guy about his opinions on cars & driving, and in the middle of it, borcy pipes up about his wife being Thai.
Oh wait...
Edited by TheJimi on Saturday 28th September 19:47
DoubleD said:
WJNB said:
My goodness there are some ignorant cowards around hiding behind their keyboards..
Bet none would have the guts to make such insulting personal remarks to HJ's face.
Yeah he does look like a bit of a bruiser, I doubt many of us would last long against him in a fight.Bet none would have the guts to make such insulting personal remarks to HJ's face.
Countdown said:
DoubleD said:
WJNB said:
My goodness there are some ignorant cowards around hiding behind their keyboards..
Bet none would have the guts to make such insulting personal remarks to HJ's face.
Yeah he does look like a bit of a bruiser, I doubt many of us would last long against him in a fight.Bet none would have the guts to make such insulting personal remarks to HJ's face.
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