Ditched Ferrari

[Athlon]

SidewaysSi said:

Europa1 said:

yonex said:

Chestrockwell said:

Taken out of context, I meant to say that in my 9....no point explaining.

Mr Mike 335i, admit it, you’re just mad that I possess the undisputed hot hatch king, I wear the crown to the Nurburgring

No. Please try. It’s fascinating.

Yes, I'd like to hear too
.

Me too.

I am interested as well

[Caddyshack]

This thread reminds me of an argument I had on the TT forum on Fb. A bloke slid in the ice and bent his wheel, a poster responded that he must have a fault as his 4wd TT should not have slid on ice. I tried to explain that 4wd is a traction device and would not help braking on ice....it really kicked off as they could not comprehend that a 4wd is no better than 2wd at cornering and it is just the contact patch of the tyre. They thought that a spinning tyre would go away if you added more throttle.

It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.

[SidewaysSi]

For some people it is the fault of everyone or everything else...Quite pathetic really.

[Chestrockwell]

Athlon said:

SidewaysSi said:

Europa1 said:

yonex said:

Chestrockwell said:

Taken out of context, I meant to say that in my 9....no point explaining.

Mr Mike 335i, admit it, you’re just mad that I possess the undisputed hot hatch king, I wear the crown to the Nurburgring

No. Please try. It’s fascinating.

Yes, I'd like to hear too
.

Me too.

I am interested as well

I wasn’t saying I’ve been on the road 9 years implying that I am massively experienced, I meant, in my 9 years of driving, I’ve owned over a dozen cars and only the BMW’s were a bit sketchy in the wet. Not discrediting the brand as BMW is my favourite manufacturer!

[Hungrymc]

Caddyshack said:

It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.

Does it cancel out the RWD BMWs are impossible in the wet myth?

I'm not sure if its marketing or just some people extrapolating a poor fundamental understanding to a daft conclusion?

[anonymous-user]

Chestrockwell said:

I wasn’t saying I’ve been on the road 9 years implying that I am massively experienced, I meant, in my 9 years of driving, I’ve owned over a dozen cars and only the BMW’s were a bit sketchy in the wet. Not discrediting the brand as BMW is my favourite manufacturer!

But you’ve already said you were driving too fast with worn tyres and ‘didn’t understand physics at the time’? How is that an issue with BMW, it’s like hating a brand because you drive a Subaru....erm. Besides that, you already know you’re right? Can you not see how this looks?

[Zarco]

Mike335i said:

Chestrockwell said:

...just want to say that I’m right in this case and everyone else is in denial, I’ve been on the road for 9 years...

Surely this needs to be on a T Shirt. Beats 'check my garage mug' by a country mile!

I'm rather fond of Chest's opening gambit:

'If one person can talk about aquaplaning, it’s going to be me'

[citizensm1th]

Hungrymc said:

Does it cancel out the RWD BMWs are impossible in the wet myth?

They are fkers on a snowy driveway though

[Hungrymc]

citizensm1th said:

They are fkers on a snowy driveway though

I did get an old E46 M3 stuck in the .... frost ... once :-)

And also put a Discovery 3 through s hedge on a snowy afternoon :-)

They're all ste.... or maybe, just maybe its me ?

[Roo]

Chestrockwell said:

I wasn’t saying I’ve been on the road 9 years implying that I am massively experienced, I meant, in my 9 years of driving, I’ve owned over a dozen cars and only the BMW’s were a bit sketchy in the wet. Not discrediting the brand as BMW is my favourite manufacturer!

You really don't understand that you have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

I'll be the first to admit I don't know anywhere near everything about driving/car control as I've only been driving RWD for 35 years in normal driving and not competitively like some people replying to you but even I know you're spouting bks.

[Caddyshack]

Hungrymc said:

Caddyshack said:

It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.

Does it cancel out the RWD BMWs are impossible in the wet myth?

I'm not sure if its marketing or just some people extrapolating a poor fundamental understanding to a daft conclusion?

I expect some people move from their normal car (fwd) to a BMW and run out of talent creating a myth, it is like the 911 being tail happy....the one car I would pick to show off sideways control is an early 3.2, they are so forgiving and easy to slide but put an inexperienced driver in one they do not convert well to the change in dynamic and weight transfer....

[Chestrockwell]

Roo said:

Chestrockwell said:

I wasn’t saying I’ve been on the road 9 years implying that I am massively experienced, I meant, in my 9 years of driving, I’ve owned over a dozen cars and only the BMW’s were a bit sketchy in the wet. Not discrediting the brand as BMW is my favourite manufacturer!

You really don't understand that you have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

I'll be the first to admit I don't know anywhere near everything about driving/car control as I've only been driving RWD for 35 years in normal driving and not competitively like some people replying to you but even I know you're spouting bks.

[AlexRS2782]

Scottie - NW said:

What a great thread, but I'm so disappointed we are so far in and I can't see if anyone has checked if it was leased yet?

Do you mean the Ferrari in the OP, ChestRockwell's M25 spinning BMW, or Eric's impossible to crash uber Scoobie

There's so many different cars being discussed now it's hard to keep track

[Byker28i]

Kubevoid said:

If you are overly concerned over aquaplaning you really want a car with slimmer tyres with deep tread to allow the water out of the channels.

If you are concerned about losing grip and control in the wet you want AWD and possibly traction control.

If your skills are a concern you really don't want daft power, RWD, wide tyres. So perhaps an M4 or similar isn't the most cunning plan.

Wasn't the old myth that the best car in snow was a morris minor because of the skinny tyres (and lack of power).

[Dave.]

Caddyshack said:

it is like the 911....

But Jeremy Clarkson said.....

AlexRS2782 said:

uber Scoobie

[anonymous-user]

Byker28i said:

Wasn't the old myth that the best car in snow was a morris minor because of the skinny tyres (and lack of power).

I had an Citroen ax that was unstoppable in the snow.

[InitialDave]

Byker28i said:

Wasn't the old myth that the best car in snow was a morris minor because of the skinny tyres (and lack of power).

I'd imagine a couple of bags of sand in the back would be of benefit, but that doesn't sound too mythical to me. Of its contemporaries, it probably is quite good.

Original Fiat Panda 4x4s are still one of the most disproportionately capable winter cars I've driven.

[anonymous-user]

InitialDave said:

I'd imagine a couple of bags of sand in the back would be of benefit

How would carrying £2,000 in used notes improve grip?

Mike Brewer

[InitialDave]

rockin said:

How would carrying £2,000 in used notes improve grip?

Mike Brewer

You could change it for four monkeys. They'll help dig you out.

[Hol]

AlexRS2782 said:

Scottie - NW said:

What a great thread, but I'm so disappointed we are so far in and I can't see if anyone has checked if it was leased yet?

Do you mean the Ferrari in the OP, ChestRockwell's M25 spinning BMW, or Eric's impossible to crash uber Scoobie

There's so many different cars being discussed now it's hard to keep track

If only one of them had put on winter tyres. This thread would have everything then!