Ditched Ferrari
Discussion
Thesprucegoose said:
Byker28i said:
Wasn't the old myth that the best car in snow was a morris minor because of the skinny tyres (and lack of power).
I had an Citroen ax that was unstoppable in the snow.This is previous gen 'super narrow' i10 circa 2010.
Caddyshack said:
This thread reminds me of an argument I had on the TT forum on Fb. A bloke slid in the ice and bent his wheel, a poster responded that he must have a fault as his 4wd TT should not have slid on ice. I tried to explain that 4wd is a traction device and would not help braking on ice....it really kicked off as they could not comprehend that a 4wd is no better than 2wd at cornering and it is just the contact patch of the tyre. They thought that a spinning tyre would go away if you added more throttle.
It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.
Actually, that always amazes me if someone says that. It doesn't matter if the car has air from a 10th Dan sensei's butt in the tyres, the drive train is irrelevant when braking on ice as everything comes down to the tyres ability to adhere to the ice. Anyone who actually has driven downhill on black ice understands (from experience).It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.
Edited by Hol on Wednesday 9th October 08:47
Hol said:
Caddyshack said:
This thread reminds me of an argument I had on the TT forum on Fb. A bloke slid in the ice and bent his wheel, a poster responded that he must have a fault as his 4wd TT should not have slid on ice. I tried to explain that 4wd is a traction device and would not help braking on ice....it really kicked off as they could not comprehend that a 4wd is no better than 2wd at cornering and it is just the contact patch of the tyre. They thought that a spinning tyre would go away if you added more throttle.
It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.
Actually, that always amazes me if someone says that. It doesn't matter if the car has air from a 10th Dan sensei's butt in the tyres, the drive train is irrelevant when braking on ice as everything comes down to the tyres ability to adhere to the ice. Anyone who actually has driven downhill on black ice understands (from experience).It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.
Edited by Hol on Wednesday 9th October 08:47
More decades ago than I care to count, I parked my clapped-out 1500 Avenger on a sloping, snowy car park, next to a Land-Rover.
When I came to leave, the Landy jock was also preparing to leave.
A loud crunch as he threw it into gear with a crunch, and revved it hard.
As he dropped the clutch, all four wheels started spinning
I put my Avenger gently into second, and pulled away gently with no problem whatsoever, despite it being RWD on ditchfinders...
It isn't -always- the tech that counts!
mwstewart said:
hyphen said:
Photojournalism is very important. At the time the pic was taken, there was a story to be told.
It's not 'documenting a misfortune' it's recording an event.
If the photographer was not a pher but a respected journalist, would you say the same?
There maybe 50 people who look at the pic posted and think to themselves I must be more careful driving today
Absolutely. I dislike journalism at the best of times because it rarely provides any kind of meaningful learning opportunity. For me this case falls very much into that category; it's a car in a hedge - mechanical failure? Medical problem? Animal in road? Oil spill? Driver error?It's not 'documenting a misfortune' it's recording an event.
If the photographer was not a pher but a respected journalist, would you say the same?
There maybe 50 people who look at the pic posted and think to themselves I must be more careful driving today
Edited by hyphen on Monday 7th October 08:19
The FT would lead with Italian Markets run into trouble with hedge funds due to over estimation of the economies ability to control inflation...
Gojira said:
4wd doesn't always help for traction
More decades ago than I care to count, I parked my clapped-out 1500 Avenger on a sloping, snowy car park, next to a Land-Rover.
When I came to leave, the Landy jock was also preparing to leave.
A loud crunch as he threw it into gear with a crunch, and revved it hard.
As he dropped the clutch, all four wheels started spinning
I put my Avenger gently into second, and pulled away gently with no problem whatsoever, despite it being RWD on ditchfinders...
It isn't -always- the tech that counts!
The Land Rover dropping the clutch at 7000 revs on snow may have been a contributory factor.More decades ago than I care to count, I parked my clapped-out 1500 Avenger on a sloping, snowy car park, next to a Land-Rover.
When I came to leave, the Landy jock was also preparing to leave.
A loud crunch as he threw it into gear with a crunch, and revved it hard.
As he dropped the clutch, all four wheels started spinning
I put my Avenger gently into second, and pulled away gently with no problem whatsoever, despite it being RWD on ditchfinders...
It isn't -always- the tech that counts!
Hol said:
Caddyshack said:
This thread reminds me of an argument I had on the TT forum on Fb. A bloke slid in the ice and bent his wheel, a poster responded that he must have a fault as his 4wd TT should not have slid on ice. I tried to explain that 4wd is a traction device and would not help braking on ice....it really kicked off as they could not comprehend that a 4wd is no better than 2wd at cornering and it is just the contact patch of the tyre. They thought that a spinning tyre would go away if you added more throttle.
It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.
Actually, that always amazes me if someone says that. It doesn't matter if the car has air from a 10th Dan sensei's butt in the tyres, the drive train is irrelevant when braking on ice as everything comes down to the tyres ability to adhere to the ice. Anyone who actually has driven downhill on black ice understands (from experience).It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.
I was accused of being a flat earther for even suggesting such a thing....the forum rallied around a bloke who thinks 4wd TTS would win the f1 if they were allowed to race...he even suggested I did not understand physics
Edited by Hol on Wednesday 9th October 08:47
Hol said:
Caddyshack said:
This thread reminds me of an argument I had on the TT forum on Fb. A bloke slid in the ice and bent his wheel, a poster responded that he must have a fault as his 4wd TT should not have slid on ice. I tried to explain that 4wd is a traction device and would not help braking on ice....it really kicked off as they could not comprehend that a 4wd is no better than 2wd at cornering and it is just the contact patch of the tyre. They thought that a spinning tyre would go away if you added more throttle.
It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.
Actually, that always amazes me if someone says that. It doesn't matter if the car has air from a 10th Dan sensei's butt in the tyres, the drive train is irrelevant when braking on ice as everything comes down to the tyres ability to adhere to the ice. Anyone who actually has driven downhill on black ice understands (from experience).It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.
Edited by Hol on Wednesday 9th October 08:47
Probably late to the party but when I was a student going back to Uni I was driving down the outside lane of the motorway and hit some water resulting in a nice spin and trip up the embankment.
Oh, and the car was my mother’s Subaru Legacy Estate. That day I learnt that 4wd does not mean you can drive fast in heavy rain and that I was not the 20 year old Jensen Button I thought I was.
Oh, and the car was my mother’s Subaru Legacy Estate. That day I learnt that 4wd does not mean you can drive fast in heavy rain and that I was not the 20 year old Jensen Button I thought I was.
Hungrymc said:
I’d say it does alway help for traction, but it isn’t the only factor and I’d put it behind tyres (and maybe weight) in importance..... but it does always help.... Im being pedantic, will fetch my coat.
But isn't the whole point of the internet for people to be pedantic? dudleybloke said:
Probably rented from his uncles wedding business.Roo said:
dudleybloke said:
Probably rented from his uncles wedding business.A certain little 'Lords' insurance premium will be rising again soon.
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