Ditched Ferrari

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Hol

5,131 posts

146 months

Wednesday 9th October
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AlexRS2782 said:
Scottie - NW said:
What a great thread, but I'm so disappointed we are so far in and I can't see if anyone has checked if it was leased yet?
Do you mean the Ferrari in the OP, ChestRockwell's M25 spinning BMW, or Eric's impossible to crash uber Scoobie confused

There's so many different cars being discussed now it's hard to keep track hehegetmecoat
If only one of them had put on winter tyres. This thread would have everything then!

Zarco

12,488 posts

155 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Thesprucegoose said:
Byker28i said:
Wasn't the old myth that the best car in snow was a morris minor because of the skinny tyres (and lack of power).
I had an Citroen ax that was unstoppable in the snow.
I can testify a Hyundai i10 is quite the tool on a snow covered M1. I had the outside lane to myself other than a plucky Defender (Eric would be proud).

This is previous gen 'super narrow' i10 circa 2010.

Hol

5,131 posts

146 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Caddyshack said:
This thread reminds me of an argument I had on the TT forum on Fb. A bloke slid in the ice and bent his wheel, a poster responded that he must have a fault as his 4wd TT should not have slid on ice. I tried to explain that 4wd is a traction device and would not help braking on ice....it really kicked off as they could not comprehend that a 4wd is no better than 2wd at cornering and it is just the contact patch of the tyre. They thought that a spinning tyre would go away if you added more throttle.

It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.
Actually, that always amazes me if someone says that. It doesn't matter if the car has air from a 10th Dan sensei's butt in the tyres, the drive train is irrelevant when braking on ice as everything comes down to the tyres ability to adhere to the ice. Anyone who actually has driven downhill on black ice understands (from experience).





Edited by Hol on Wednesday 9th October 08:47

nickfrog

10,300 posts

163 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Thesprucegoose said:
I had an Citroen ax that was unstoppable in the snow.
That's doesn't necessarily sound like very good news.

Gojira

498 posts

69 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Hol said:
Caddyshack said:
This thread reminds me of an argument I had on the TT forum on Fb. A bloke slid in the ice and bent his wheel, a poster responded that he must have a fault as his 4wd TT should not have slid on ice. I tried to explain that 4wd is a traction device and would not help braking on ice....it really kicked off as they could not comprehend that a 4wd is no better than 2wd at cornering and it is just the contact patch of the tyre. They thought that a spinning tyre would go away if you added more throttle.

It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.
Actually, that always amazes me if someone says that. It doesn't matter if the car has air from a 10th Dan sensei's butt in the tyres, the drive train is irrelevant when braking on ice as everything comes down to the tyres ability to adhere to the ice. Anyone who actually has driven downhill on black ice understands (from experience).


Edited by Hol on Wednesday 9th October 08:47
4wd doesn't always help for traction biggrin

More decades ago than I care to count, I parked my clapped-out 1500 Avenger on a sloping, snowy car park, next to a Land-Rover.

When I came to leave, the Landy jock was also preparing to leave.

A loud crunch as he threw it into gear with a crunch, and revved it hard.

As he dropped the clutch, all four wheels started spinning rolleyes

I put my Avenger gently into second, and pulled away gently with no problem whatsoever, despite it being RWD on ditchfinders... driving

It isn't -always- the tech that counts!

Byker28i

19,845 posts

163 months

Wednesday 9th October
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nickfrog said:
Thesprucegoose said:
I had an Citroen ax that was unstoppable in the snow.
That's doesn't necessarily sound like very good news.
biggrin

Thesprucegoose

19,310 posts

141 months

Wednesday 9th October
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It was funny though, I ended up overtaking cars. I think this is why winter tyres have become popular, the fact tyres are wider nowadays harder to drive in snow.

Lord-Haggis

403 posts

113 months

Wednesday 9th October
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mwstewart said:
hyphen said:
Photojournalism is very important. At the time the pic was taken, there was a story to be told.

It's not 'documenting a misfortune' it's recording an event.

If the photographer was not a pher but a respected journalist, would you say the same?

There maybe 50 people who look at the pic posted and think to themselves I must be more careful driving today smile

Edited by hyphen on Monday 7th October 08:19
Absolutely. I dislike journalism at the best of times because it rarely provides any kind of meaningful learning opportunity. For me this case falls very much into that category; it's a car in a hedge - mechanical failure? Medical problem? Animal in road? Oil spill? Driver error?
Very much in the line of the Daily Mail - LOOK CAR IN HEDGE! WILL SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

The FT would lead with Italian Markets run into trouble with hedge funds due to over estimation of the economies ability to control inflation...

av185

9,394 posts

73 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Thesprucegoose said:
I had an Citroen ax that was unstoppable in the snow.
French cars always stop before the snow melts.

They break down.

av185

9,394 posts

73 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Gojira said:
4wd doesn't always help for traction biggrin

More decades ago than I care to count, I parked my clapped-out 1500 Avenger on a sloping, snowy car park, next to a Land-Rover.

When I came to leave, the Landy jock was also preparing to leave.

A loud crunch as he threw it into gear with a crunch, and revved it hard.

As he dropped the clutch, all four wheels started spinning rolleyes

I put my Avenger gently into second, and pulled away gently with no problem whatsoever, despite it being RWD on ditchfinders... driving

It isn't -always- the tech that counts!
The Land Rover dropping the clutch at 7000 revs on snow may have been a contributory factor.

Caddyshack

1,511 posts

152 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Hol said:
Caddyshack said:
This thread reminds me of an argument I had on the TT forum on Fb. A bloke slid in the ice and bent his wheel, a poster responded that he must have a fault as his 4wd TT should not have slid on ice. I tried to explain that 4wd is a traction device and would not help braking on ice....it really kicked off as they could not comprehend that a 4wd is no better than 2wd at cornering and it is just the contact patch of the tyre. They thought that a spinning tyre would go away if you added more throttle.

It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.
Actually, that always amazes me if someone says that. It doesn't matter if the car has air from a 10th Dan sensei's butt in the tyres, the drive train is irrelevant when braking on ice as everything comes down to the tyres ability to adhere to the ice. Anyone who actually has driven downhill on black ice understands (from experience).

I was accused of being a flat earther for even suggesting such a thing....the forum rallied around a bloke who thinks 4wd TTS would win the f1 if they were allowed to race...he even suggested I did not understand physics



Edited by Hol on Wednesday 9th October 08:47

Thesprucegoose

19,310 posts

141 months

Wednesday 9th October
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I remember an old poster, who also owned a subura.
Used to say it was uncrashable, could feel the individual tyres grip through the steering wheel. Always going on about 4wd traction being unbeatable against red.

Then a few weeks later posting about crashing it in the snow.

Smokehead

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7,646 posts

174 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Hol said:
Caddyshack said:
This thread reminds me of an argument I had on the TT forum on Fb. A bloke slid in the ice and bent his wheel, a poster responded that he must have a fault as his 4wd TT should not have slid on ice. I tried to explain that 4wd is a traction device and would not help braking on ice....it really kicked off as they could not comprehend that a 4wd is no better than 2wd at cornering and it is just the contact patch of the tyre. They thought that a spinning tyre would go away if you added more throttle.

It seems 4wd has some excellent marketing myths.
Actually, that always amazes me if someone says that. It doesn't matter if the car has air from a 10th Dan sensei's butt in the tyres, the drive train is irrelevant when braking on ice as everything comes down to the tyres ability to adhere to the ice. Anyone who actually has driven downhill on black ice understands (from experience).





Edited by Hol on Wednesday 9th October 08:47
I've always said that a few of us may have four wheel drive, but we all have 4 wheel braking.

Caddyshack

1,511 posts

152 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Smokehead said:
I've always said that a few of us may have four wheel drive, but we all have 4 wheel braking.
Good way of putting it

Auto810graphy

233 posts

38 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Probably late to the party but when I was a student going back to Uni I was driving down the outside lane of the motorway and hit some water resulting in a nice spin and trip up the embankment.

Oh, and the car was my mother’s Subaru Legacy Estate. That day I learnt that 4wd does not mean you can drive fast in heavy rain and that I was not the 20 year old Jensen Button I thought I was.

Hungrymc

4,153 posts

83 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Gojira said:
4wd doesn't always help for traction biggrin
I’d say it does alway help for traction, but it isn’t the only factor and I’d put it behind tyres (and maybe weight) in importance..... but it does always help.... Im being pedantic, will fetch my coat.

Gojira

498 posts

69 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Hungrymc said:
I’d say it does alway help for traction, but it isn’t the only factor and I’d put it behind tyres (and maybe weight) in importance..... but it does always help.... Im being pedantic, will fetch my coat.
But isn't the whole point of the internet for people to be pedantic? biggrin

Hungrymc

4,153 posts

83 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Gojira said:
But isn't the whole point of the internet for people to be pedantic? biggrin
Erm , and argumentative .... Oh no, I’m doing it again :-)

dudleybloke

15,116 posts

132 months

Wednesday 9th October
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Roo

11,306 posts

153 months

Wednesday 9th October
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dudleybloke said:
Probably rented from his uncles wedding business.