Play silly games racing... This is the outcome

[Exige77]

FiF said:

Exige77 said:

Or crutches ?

Well no, no one deserves to be on crutches, no one. Though considering that when it goes wrong on bikes it hurts it always amazes me where individuals seem to deliberately put themselves in positions of unnecessarily high risk just to potentially save fractions of a second.

That’s what I meant.

The outcome for a biker is likely to be worse if there is a coming together.

Points, fines and disqualifications are of course a punishment but having a serious injury could be much worse and much longer lived.

I’m sure most enthusiastic drivers / bikers have had a bit of fun (I know I have) but there’s a time and a place for everything and it was not then.

The warning signs for the eventual outcome are in the video.

[Hungrymc]

washingitagain said:

I don't think the driver realised the biker had opened up the throttle. I think the driver was just thinking he'd block him passing, not realising he was going so fast.

Obviously, not excusing anything. Both are tts for their respective reasons.

If that were true an it was a genuine error, don’t you think he’d have stopped ?

[LeoSayer]

Johnnytheboy said:

Nothing makes my drive more sensibly than the perception someone else wants to race me.

[Driver101]

Hungrymc said:

washingitagain said:

I don't think the driver realised the biker had opened up the throttle. I think the driver was just thinking he'd block him passing, not realising he was going so fast.

Obviously, not excusing anything. Both are tts for their respective reasons.

If that were true an it was a genuine error, don’t you think he’d have stopped ?

I also think the Civic driver was caught out by the faster acceleration.

They were already seen to be racing. He already had reason to get out of the situation. The genuine error was because of their behaviour.

[washingitagain]

Hungrymc said:

If that were true an it was a genuine error, don’t you think he’d have stopped ?

The way the Civic was being driven doesn't suggest a rational person was behind the wheel. Who actually wheelspins at traffic lights these days? (and I live in Essex!)

[RobM77]

Hungrymc said:

washingitagain said:

I don't think the driver realised the biker had opened up the throttle. I think the driver was just thinking he'd block him passing, not realising he was going so fast.

Obviously, not excusing anything. Both are tts for their respective reasons.

If that were true an it was a genuine error, don’t you think he’d have stopped ?

Depends on the person and situation. I've seen plenty of people in videos like this panic when an accident happens and leg it, even if innocent. It can be a pretty shocking thing to cause an accident unintentionally, and if there's a confrontational situation anyway I think it's highly likely the driver would speed away, whether guilty or innocent.

[ChocolateFrog]

Even as a biker I'm struggling for too much sympathy. Play silly games with 1.5ton metal boxes and it's very likely to end badly for you.

That said the other driver needs some jail time to cool off.

[Hungrymc]

I guess it’s possible that the Civic driver was ‘caught out’ by the bikes acceleration as the bike hadn’t accelerated much at all in those previous few minutes. But looking at the rate at which he swerves, we’d be really giving him the benefit of the doubt.

And he may have panicked and fled? Maybe it was a fully calculated move? It’s all magnitudes worse than the poor riding.

Biker deserves points, driver deserves much much worse.... I’d be amazed if that car isn’t stolen or cloned.

[Durzel]

It's almost impossible to know the motivations of the car driver. It would sit somewhere between intentionally wanting the biker guy to come off / injure themselves badly and simply not wanting him to win and not realising how his swerve would cause him to come off.

Heat of the moment, two knobs meet on the road, that's when stupid things like this happen. Never gamble your life on the reactions or abilities of someone else, particularly someone who has shown that they are primed to do something stupid.

10 Pence Short's prison story gives some insight into how some enthusiastic driving can have disasterous, life changing outcomes, even unintentionally.

[Mr Whippy]

Retardedness begets retardedness.

That biker broke the speed limit by a fair margin, a risk all in itself, to chase down having an accident.


No matter how dodgy the car driver, it seems easy to avoid accidents with them.

The biker appears to chase trouble down. I’m not sure who is more dangerous to be honest.

[Eyersey1234]

Has anyone read any of the comments on Facebook about this? Quite a few people have said that the biker was partly in the wrong and he has given a mouthful back to them.

[Durzel]

Eyersey1234 said:

Has anyone read any of the comments on Facebook about this? Quite a few people have said that the biker was partly in the wrong and he has given a mouthful back to them.

Course he has. He doesn't accept any responsibility for what happened. He probably does this every time he gets on the bike. Nothing excuses the Civic driver's actions but roll the dice enough times and this is what happens.

[washingitagain]

Eyersey1234 said:

Has anyone read any of the comments on Facebook about this? Quite a few people have said that the biker was partly in the wrong and he has given a mouthful back to them.

Be interested in his argument! (not on fb so can't see it)

[Mr Whippy]

washingitagain said:

Eyersey1234 said:

Has anyone read any of the comments on Facebook about this? Quite a few people have said that the biker was partly in the wrong and he has given a mouthful back to them.

Be interested in his argument! (not on fb so can't see it)

I’d avoid wasting your life reading an idiot explaining their idiocy.

[Japveesix]

Demelitia said:

Amazing the biker thinks he’s done absolutely nothing contributory in that video. It’s obvious he’s not taken in to account the fact that you can be ‘technically right’ and still be dead as a doornail.

He was legitimately overtaking don't you know....

[ToothbrushMan]

so to those blaming both... i suppose if the civic was replaced with a pedestrian and a similar fracas took placed where the biker clipped the pedestrian because the pedestrian was giving the biker the middle finger for arguments sake.... youd be saying they were both to blame still? sod off. that crash/attempted manslaughter as a minimum was the civic drivers fault. you can debate the ins and outs of the racing all day long but what caused this was the unhinged not backing down twunt behind the wheel of the civic. cant believe he just yanked the wheel over and whack the guy. pity the biker didnt have mates following to sit on the driver until the police arrived - racing or no racing thats just not in the rules......

its not an easy watch when you see the impact about to happen. i hope that driver gets nailed.

[anonymous-user]

ToothbrushMan said:

so to those blaming both... i suppose if the civic was replaced with a pedestrian and a similar fracas took placed where the biker clipped the pedestrian because the pedestrian was giving the biker the middle finger for arguments sake.... youd be saying they were both to blame still? sod off. that crash/attempted manslaughter as a minimum was the civic drivers fault. you can debate the ins and outs of the racing all day long but what caused this was the unhinged not backing down twunt behind the wheel of the civic. cant believe he just yanked the wheel over and whack the guy. pity the biker didnt have mates following to sit on the driver until the police arrived - racing or no racing thats just not in the rules......

its not an easy watch when you see the impact about to happen. i hope that driver gets nailed.

One might be a bigger dick than the other but they are still both dicks.

If the Civic was replaced with a pedestrian, their still both dicks for getting into it in the first place.

[anonymous-user]

ToothbrushMan said:

so to those blaming both... i suppose if the civic was replaced with a pedestrian and a similar fracas took placed where the biker clipped the pedestrian because the pedestrian was giving the biker the middle finger for arguments sake.... youd be saying they were both to blame still? sod off. that crash/attempted manslaughter as a minimum was the civic drivers fault. you can debate the ins and outs of the racing all day long but what caused this was the unhinged not backing down twunt behind the wheel of the civic. cant believe he just yanked the wheel over and whack the guy. pity the biker didnt have mates following to sit on the driver until the police arrived - racing or no racing thats just not in the rules......

its not an easy watch when you see the impact about to happen. i hope that driver gets nailed.

Coulda woulda shoulda???

All irrelevant- it’s a bike and a car and both were complete aholes on a public highway.

[Hungrymc]

Mr Whippy said:

No matter how dodgy the car driver, it seems easy to avoid accidents with them.

Once agin, the bikes riding was poor. Things I saw.....
1) speeding
2) poor lane discipline.
3) filtering past people who have just overtaken him and presumably will travel faster than him.
4) I’ll add deciding to overtake while just after a junction.

But his driving around the car approaching the collision wasn’t that bad?
He hung back, didn’t linger in a blind spot
Gave plenty of room
Was passing quickly / decisively (Mixed bag this one as the closing speed was too high).

The act of the driver is a threat to any overtaking vehicle ever?

[bluezedd]

Jasey_ said:

Daily mail has a bit of it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7550575/B...

Thanks Jasey,

That confirms that both the biker and car driver are dheads.

I've had a fair few boy racers "beat" me on my bike. The guy on the bike should have just let the car driver get on with it.

Edited by bluezedd on Thursday 10th October 20:04