E class cabriolet delivered with wrong badge

[Hoofy]

Composer62 said:

I followed a Nissan Leaf for a while today and noticed that the big round "NISSAN" badge on the back was upside down and actually said "NASSIN" .

Wonder if the driver did that on purpose. Could be an asian name?

[Fast Bug]

Sheepshanks said:

Fast Bug said:

Why? They haven't reflected engine capacity for many years now, same with BMW

The first number's usually been right, I think? So 200/220/250 where all 2.1 litre, than later 2 litre.

A200 petrols have never been a 2.0, C200d is a 1.6 litre, as is the new C200 petrol. I seem to remember that it reflects the fact that it produces the power equivalent to a 2 litre or 3 litre etc. The old GLE 350d produced 258hp, the 300d makes 245hp with better mpg and emmissions

[Hoofy]

kambites said:

Hoofy said:

How does "40" relate to a 3 litre turbo then? Surely, it should be 630. Or 630T if they want to make it different from any non-turbo variant?

It doesn't, and it hasn't for decades. It's an indication of the performance of the car relative to others in the range, nothing more.

Oh, right, so no real meaning at all.

You say decades... taking the 6 series for example, up until 2010 they were still more or less similar to the engine size. 645Ci had a 4.4 litre engine.

[Shakermaker]

samoht said:

TommyBuoy said:

Completely off topic, but why do eco friendly cars, or the technology for them have blue badges if theY are 'green' e.g blue efficiency

"Green" risks being a legally binding claim that a product is good for the environment ... when at the end of the day, it's still a machine that turns old dinosaurs into smoke.
Hence manufacturers latched onto "Blue" as a way of suggesting a less polluting product, without risking having to defend in court claims that it has zero or positive effect on the environment.

I had often wondered this as well, so thanks for answering with what appears to be a reasonable understanding of why!

[austinsmirk]

Where’s that 80’s company car video, where they aspire to go from l to lx to gl to glx !!! With the bloke nearly in tears because he’s been given a maestro!!!!

Must admit I have no idea of Mercedes or Audi model ranges and badges now. Just absolute gibberish

[TommyBuoy]

samoht said:

TommyBuoy said:

Completely off topic, but why do eco friendly cars, or the technology for them have blue badges if theY are 'green' e.g blue efficiency

"Green" risks being a legally binding claim that a product is good for the environment ... when at the end of the day, it's still a machine that turns old dinosaurs into smoke.
Hence manufacturers latched onto "Blue" as a way of suggesting a less polluting product, without risking having to defend in court claims that it has zero or positive effect on the environment.

Interesting, thanks!

[TommyBuoy]

Hoofy said:

kambites said:

Hoofy said:

How does "40" relate to a 3 litre turbo then? Surely, it should be 630. Or 630T if they want to make it different from any non-turbo variant?

It doesn't, and it hasn't for decades. It's an indication of the performance of the car relative to others in the range, nothing more.

Oh, right, so no real meaning at all.

You say decades... taking the 6 series for example, up until 2010 they were still more or less similar to the engine size. 645Ci had a 4.4 litre engine.

I suppose it's to do with smaller engines and therefore the badges make them look 'worse' or lower spec that the previous generation?

Is it just German manufacturers doing the weird model / engine discrepancy?

[Composer62]

Hoofy said:

Composer62 said:

I followed a Nissan Leaf for a while today and noticed that the big round "NISSAN" badge on the back was upside down and actually said "NASSIN" .

Wonder if the driver did that on purpose. Could be an asian name?

It was a Europcar hire car .. so I suspect not .. good idea potentially though !

[cerb4.5lee]

Fast Bug said:

Sheepshanks said:

Fast Bug said:

Why? They haven't reflected engine capacity for many years now, same with BMW

The first number's usually been right, I think? So 200/220/250 where all 2.1 litre, than later 2 litre.

A200 petrols have never been a 2.0, C200d is a 1.6 litre, as is the new C200 petrol. I seem to remember that it reflects the fact that it produces the power equivalent to a 2 litre or 3 litre etc. The old GLE 350d produced 258hp, the 300d makes 245hp with better mpg and emmissions

It is hard to keep track of for sure. The 3 litre V6 in my GLC350d has now been dropped and the best you get(diesel wise) in the GLC is the 300d which is a 2 litre 4 cylinder.

The new GLE still gets a 6 cylinder(now straight six) 3 litre I believe and it is badged 350d and 400d with different power outputs.

[kambites]

Hoofy said:

You say decades... taking the 6 series for example, up until 2010 they were still more or less similar to the engine size. 645Ci had a 4.4 litre engine.

Well yes, but "more or less similar to" is still different.

[Mr Peel]

TommyBuoy said:

samoht said:

TommyBuoy said:

Completely off topic, but why do eco friendly cars, or the technology for them have blue badges if theY are 'green' e.g blue efficiency

"Green" risks being a legally binding claim that a product is good for the environment ... when at the end of the day, it's still a machine that turns old dinosaurs into smoke.
Hence manufacturers latched onto "Blue" as a way of suggesting a less polluting product, without risking having to defend in court claims that it has zero or positive effect on the environment.

Interesting, thanks!

Don't know about that but marketing certainly has a hand in it: 'green' has dull, worthy connotations that don't sit well with a shiny new car in a showroom.

[surveyor_101]

Is this how the German Car Industry is preparing for a no deal brexit as the 'The German veg' have gone for broke with no deal!

The German car industry is not looking good!

Badging cars with the wrong badges but then Merc quality control has been a joke for years give it 6 months and the day running lights go out like candles.

I think this countries obsession with overpriced, German car is laughable.

The new AUDI badging of power is funny, friend of mine has a modded 2007 S3 and saw a new yellow A1 35 TFSI "blimey thats a 3.5 litre A1!!!!!

Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 10th October 16:23

[margerison]

Mr Peel said:

TommyBuoy said:

samoht said:

TommyBuoy said:

Completely off topic, but why do eco friendly cars, or the technology for them have blue badges if theY are 'green' e.g blue efficiency

"Green" risks being a legally binding claim that a product is good for the environment ... when at the end of the day, it's still a machine that turns old dinosaurs into smoke.
Hence manufacturers latched onto "Blue" as a way of suggesting a less polluting product, without risking having to defend in court claims that it has zero or positive effect on the environment.

Interesting, thanks!

Don't know about that but marketing certainly has a hand in it: 'green' has dull, worthy connotations that don't sit well with a shiny new car in a showroom.

I assumed it was because owners have to put adblue piss in occasionally

[bluemason]

surveyor_101 said:

Is this how the German Car Industry is preparing for a no deal brexit as the 'The German veg' have gone for broke with no deal!

The German car industry is not looking good!

Badging cars with the wrong badges but then Merc quality control has been a joke for years give it 6 months and the day running lights go out like candles.

I think this countries obsession with overpriced, German car is laughable.

The new AUDI badging of power is funny, friend of mine has a modded 2007 S3 and saw a new yellow A1 35 TFSI "blimey thats a 3.5 litre A1!!!!!

Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 10th October 16:23

Pssh it is the A1 vorsprung durch technik 35 TFSI S line executive edition in full

Edited by bluemason on Thursday 10th October 16:43

[4941cc]

kambites said:

Hoofy said:

You say decades... taking the 6 series for example, up until 2010 they were still more or less similar to the engine size. 645Ci had a 4.4 litre engine.

Well yes, but "more or less similar to" is still different.

Indeed.

1982 316 - 1.8 litre
1985 325/525e - 2.7 litre
1996 318i 1.8 litre 8v, 318is 1.9 litre 16v
1996 323i - 2.5 litre
1998 318i 1.9 litre 8v, 2001 2.0 16v
2000 320i/520 2.2 litre

A handful of examples, there are dozens more from BMW over the last 40 years or so.

In terms of forced induction levels changing the effective displacement and badge in the manner of a 3.0 litre diesel being a *25d, *30d, *35d,*40d, *50d since 2006-ish, the first one of those I can think of was the Euro E23 745i of 1980 which used a 3.2 litre six cylinder turbo engine. In SA they also had a 745i, but that stuck with a normally aspirated Motorsport 24v six.

TL;DR: BMW have done it for decades, so have M-B. 450 SEL 6.3 and 6.9 were 6.2 litre and 6.8 litre respectively. As was the initial C63, "63" chosen originally for marketing reasons on the 450SEL, latterly applied for the link to its heritage and still in use on a 4.0 biturbo now.

Normal people don't usually know or care, it's only weirdbeards like us...

[Hoofy]

Well, as if someone's given me an orthopedic shoe, I stand corrected.

[Drive Blind]

[Sheepshanks]

Fast Bug said:

The old GLE 350d produced 258hp, the 300d makes 245hp with better mpg and emmissions

A lot less torque though. And two fewer cylinders.

Anyway I'm hanging on my 270CDi - it really is 2.7 and I love the feel and sound of the 5cyl engine.

[cerb4.5lee]

Sheepshanks said:

Fast Bug said:

The old GLE 350d produced 258hp, the 300d makes 245hp with better mpg and emmissions

A lot less torque though. And two fewer cylinders.

Anyway I'm hanging on my 270CDi - it really is 2.7 and I love the feel and sound of the 5cyl engine.

I was looking at the specs of the pre facelift GLC220d the other day and I was shocked to see that it only has 168bhp(that's just over 20bhp less than my Mini!).

My GLC350d is hardly a rocket ship with 258bhp but I'd imagine the GLC220d to be a right slug to drive with its kerbweight. I remember how my 520d touring struggled with 1700kg and that had 177bhp!!

The GLC is better with a slow and steady approach granted, but I think that the 220d would be taking it to the extreme. In fairness to the GLC220d though all the reviews I've read say that it is the one to have, and I guess that is why the 350d(3 litre V6) engine has been dropped now from the GLC.

[Tallow]

I rented this from Hertz last month. I still can't understand how the X3 badge happened to be upside down.