Shell Go+ carbon neutral fuel
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Apparently for every 5 fill ups they will plant a tree. Has anyone done the numbers to see if this stacks up scientifically?
Currently have offset gas and renewable electricity provider for home, the track car guzzles Shell V-Power also, but would be tempted to change fill up location for the daily if it holds up to scrutiny.
Currently have offset gas and renewable electricity provider for home, the track car guzzles Shell V-Power also, but would be tempted to change fill up location for the daily if it holds up to scrutiny.
From a consumer perspective you can look at it as paying that small margin for Shell over other providers, and signing up to their app and allowing them to analyse your data from it, in exchange for small costs to neutralise the carbon emissions.
Sounds like a decent scheme to me, shame there isn't a convenient Shell around here.
Sounds like a decent scheme to me, shame there isn't a convenient Shell around here.
They'll be loads of variables mate, but Shell will have a calculation somewhere they can roll out to attempt to satisfy press or the curious, and anything is better than nothing.
I quite like the idea personally. I mean I don't feel any guilt over my car's emissions, but we all like tree's don't we?
I quite like the idea personally. I mean I don't feel any guilt over my car's emissions, but we all like tree's don't we?
There's a Shell just down the road from me that's all shiny and new. Just a shame there's a Costco on my way to work which offers a good 10p/L saving on diseasel so the Shell doesn't much use from me.
Nice to see one of the big oil companies doing at least something to offset some of the carbon foot print. Hopefully sets a nice precedent for others to follow.
Nice to see one of the big oil companies doing at least something to offset some of the carbon foot print. Hopefully sets a nice precedent for others to follow.
RazerSauber said:
There's a Shell just down the road from me that's all shiny and new. Just a shame there's a Costco on my way to work which offers a good 10p/L saving on diseasel so the Shell doesn't much use from me.
Nice to see one of the big oil companies doing at least something to offset some of the carbon foot print. Hopefully sets a nice precedent for others to follow.
They all do allready they poor million's if not more between them into research and development of technology and other greens thing's despite what all the eco nuts Will have you believeNice to see one of the big oil companies doing at least something to offset some of the carbon foot print. Hopefully sets a nice precedent for others to follow.
Edited by Chris32345 on Thursday 10th October 15:57
Chris32345 said:
They all do allready there poor million's if bit more between them into research and development of technology and other greens thing's despite what all the eco nuts Wii have you believe
Given the finite nature of oil resources, they'd be mad not to:- It's in their own interest to pivot into renewable energy supplies of the future.So, Shell sells around 145billion liters of fuel a year (2010 figure are all I can find). Say that this Shell GO+ promotion covers 2% of their fuel sales (could be a lot more or a lot less).
That's 2,900,000,000 liters of fuel sold under the promotion. Say that the average fuel tank is 50 liters, that means somewhere in the region of 11.6 million trees would be planted every year worldwide. So, given a relatively low density of 1000 trees per hectare that's 11600 hectares planted every year.
Don't know if this is a lot or a little (11600 hectare is around 0.05% of the UK land area).
(Around 31000 hectares of the rain forest get destroyed every day).
Certainly better than nothing though.
That's 2,900,000,000 liters of fuel sold under the promotion. Say that the average fuel tank is 50 liters, that means somewhere in the region of 11.6 million trees would be planted every year worldwide. So, given a relatively low density of 1000 trees per hectare that's 11600 hectares planted every year.
Don't know if this is a lot or a little (11600 hectare is around 0.05% of the UK land area).
(Around 31000 hectares of the rain forest get destroyed every day).
Certainly better than nothing though.
Just marketing bulls
t to appeal to the tree huggers (pun intended).
Next they will dream up some fanciful way to appeal to vegans, eco warriors, Pride or whatever fad is currently the fashion.
It's all about adapting their sales strategy to patronise the gullible.
Would be more impressed if they paid staff more & senior management took a pay cut donating the difference to planting a tree or 2 million.
t to appeal to the tree huggers (pun intended).Next they will dream up some fanciful way to appeal to vegans, eco warriors, Pride or whatever fad is currently the fashion.
It's all about adapting their sales strategy to patronise the gullible.
Would be more impressed if they paid staff more & senior management took a pay cut donating the difference to planting a tree or 2 million.
WJNB said:
Just marketing bullst to appeal to the tree huggers (pun intended).
Next they will dream up some fanciful way to appeal to vegans, eco warriors, Pride or whatever fad is currently the fashion.
It's all about adapting their sales strategy to patronise the gullible.
Would be more impressed if they paid staff more & senior management took a pay cut donating the difference to planting a tree or 2 million.
This is the heart of my question. Would I be better off sending the 2-3 quid I save from going to supermarket pump to some kind of carbon charity... Or do shells numbers actually stack up.t to appeal to the tree huggers (pun intended).Next they will dream up some fanciful way to appeal to vegans, eco warriors, Pride or whatever fad is currently the fashion.
It's all about adapting their sales strategy to patronise the gullible.
Would be more impressed if they paid staff more & senior management took a pay cut donating the difference to planting a tree or 2 million.
I only learnt of this scheme this week when I stopped in a shell. Got me thinking, bill gates has started this ‘carbon negative’ approach. It surely wouldn’t be hard for them to plant just enough trees to make the scheme carbon negative.
So, drive EVERYWHERE as it’s not only better than walking it’s actually taking carbon OUT of the atmosphere.
Carbon neutral must be one of the biggest cons of all time.
So, drive EVERYWHERE as it’s not only better than walking it’s actually taking carbon OUT of the atmosphere.
Carbon neutral must be one of the biggest cons of all time.
meatballs said:
Currently have offset gas and renewable electricity provider for home,
I'm always puzzled as to how my neighbour on a green tarrif gets green electricity from the local grid when I thought it was the same power going to every house.But seriously I saw a documentary on Ryanairs tree planting offset scheme. In a nutshell it was PR scheme. It had a couple of small plantations. The calculation was made that they would need to plant 12% of the UK with trees to offset their CO2.
"Professor Simon Lewis, from University College London, said Ryanair’s scheme was “tiny”, and would offset less than 0.01% of this year’s emissions."
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/349337/carb...
If anyone wants to reduce their CO2 footprint from driving the best way is to drive less.
irc said:
I'm always puzzled as to how my neighbour on a green tarrif gets green electricity from the local grid when I thought it was the same power going to every house.
But seriously I saw a documentary on Ryanairs tree planting offset scheme. In a nutshell it was PR scheme. It had a couple of small plantations. The calculation was made that they would need to plant 12% of the UK with trees to offset their CO2.
"Professor Simon Lewis, from University College London, said Ryanair’s scheme was “tiny”, and would offset less than 0.01% of this year’s emissions."
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/349337/carb...
If anyone wants to reduce their CO2 footprint from driving the best way is to drive less.
Offset carbon and renewable energy suppliers work by buying the energy you use from renewable sources I'm with a company called bulb and they buy from small independent suppliers who generate renewable electricity and biomethan. So you are of course using the same energy as your neighbor but what you use is replaced by a carbon neutral or renewable source. But seriously I saw a documentary on Ryanairs tree planting offset scheme. In a nutshell it was PR scheme. It had a couple of small plantations. The calculation was made that they would need to plant 12% of the UK with trees to offset their CO2.
"Professor Simon Lewis, from University College London, said Ryanair’s scheme was “tiny”, and would offset less than 0.01% of this year’s emissions."
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/349337/carb...
If anyone wants to reduce their CO2 footprint from driving the best way is to drive less.
If you Google gridwatch you can see where the UKs current electricity is being generated.
But I do agree with you the best way to refuse your cars carbon emissions is to drive less. That's why I walk my kids to school or to the local shops. Can't really get to my work without a car otherwise I would use another mode of transport or walk.
So what do we do with these trees as they mature in 50 odd years time? (Assuming they live and grow)
Burn them in our wood burners, or the more technical wood chip boilers?
That just turns it back to CO2, and reverses all the good the tree has done, not that it matters as they'll be another scheme by then.
As an aside, there's a small wood behind where I live. Planted some 50 years ago by Bryant & May they are now one by one falling down.
We refer to it locally as the "Matchwood Wood." The best made plans Eh !
Burn them in our wood burners, or the more technical wood chip boilers?
That just turns it back to CO2, and reverses all the good the tree has done, not that it matters as they'll be another scheme by then.
As an aside, there's a small wood behind where I live. Planted some 50 years ago by Bryant & May they are now one by one falling down.
We refer to it locally as the "Matchwood Wood." The best made plans Eh !
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