Best smoker barges 1-5 large [Vol 15]

Best smoker barges 1-5 large [Vol 15]

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Krikkit

17,094 posts

130 months

Tuesday 14th January
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rider73 said:
I looked into the SV8 when i was offered (and missed out on) an XF S for 7K --- the SV8 has a steel body, and the XF S is all aluminuim, i also believe there were better DIFFs on the XF S and suspension - and of course "bonnet scoops"...of course the engine is also different ! :-)
IIRC they fitted some of the components developed for the XF-R to the S, but that could be rubbish. I know they definitely beefed up the diff and suspension compared to a non-S though.

Prinny said:
Krikkit said:
Pretty please can we have a thread meet to sample it? biggrin
You’re welcome anytime H. I know you’re not far from me & you wanted a go in the M6 as well - am sure we can work something out...
Very kind indeed, I would love to sample the M6.

Perhaps a North Wales barge meet is in order? Good roads available...

Edited by Krikkit on Tuesday 14th January 08:43

Lord.Vader

2,396 posts

88 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Krikkit said:
rider73 said:
I looked into the SV8 when i was offered (and missed out on) an XF S for 7K --- the SV8 has a steel body, and the XF S is all aluminuim, i also believe there were better DIFFs on the XF S and suspension - and of course "bonnet scoops"...of course the engine is also different ! :-)
IIRC they fitted some of the components developed for the XF-R to the S, but that could be rubbish. I know they definitely beefed up the diff and suspension compared to a non-S though.

Prinny said:
Krikkit said:
Pretty please can we have a thread meet to sample it? biggrin
You’re welcome anytime H. I know you’re not far from me & you wanted a go in the M6 as well - am sure we can work something out...
Very kind indeed, I would love to sample the M6.

Perhaps a North Wales barge meet is in order? Good roads available...

Edited by Krikkit on Tuesday 14th January 08:43
Yes a North Wales barge meet is an excellent idea!

Over the horseshoe pass (damn average speed cameras) and to the cafe at the top smile

stickleback123

5,377 posts

138 months

Tuesday 14th January
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The XFS (for the 1st gen car) is the 3.0 diesel with 280bhp instead of 240bhp isn't it? For the 2nd gen it's that frankenstein V6 with a supercharger.

The proper 5.0 XFR doesn't just get the new (and apparently much more efficient) 5.0 DI engine compared to the 4.2 SV8, you also get an e-diff and other chassis upgrades. I suspect that as a decade old barge the SV8 with a tried and tested port injected engine and no e-diff is a much safer bet.

As others have said, the 1st gen is a remarkable achievement given the budget and other constraints. A supplier has just bought a 2nd gen supercharged 3.0 petrol XFS that I'm quite looking forward to seeing; the current car has left me cold from day one, it's bland to the point of anonymity and the engine options are thoroughly unappealing for various reasons.

Edited by stickleback123 on Tuesday 14th January 09:26

Krikkit

17,094 posts

130 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Lord.Vader said:
Yes a North Wales barge meet is an excellent idea!

Over the horseshoe pass (damn average speed cameras) and to the cafe at the top smile
No average on the horseshoe, only on one leg of the Evo at the moment. Plenty of other good roads though, happy to try and draw something up.

stickleback123 said:
The XFS (for the 1st gen car) is the 3.0 diesel with 280bhp instead of 240bhp isn't it? For the 2nd gen it's that frankenstein V6 with a supercharger.

The proper 5.0 XFR doesn't just get the new (and apparently much more efficient) 5.0 DI engine compared to the 4.2 SV8, you also get an e-diff and other chassis upgrades. I suspect that as a decade old barge the SV8 with a tried and tested port injected engine and no e-diff is a much safer bet.
Yeah the XF-S was the 3 litre diesel with 270hp, the 2013-on cars should gain an 8-speed gearbox and better interior from the facelift too.

SV8 is much more like the old S-type R than the newer XF-R really as you noted, much simpler underneath.

Edited by Krikkit on Tuesday 14th January 09:43

ali_XF

325 posts

120 months

Tuesday 14th January
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I am on my third XF - first was an SV8 which was almost a Q car- no outward bulges or scoops or addenda that gave away the 420bhp V8 under the bonnet. Was quick in a straight line but wasn't the greatest in terms of handling. Pretty comfy for wafting about in. Bought as an approved used car to replace an X350 XJ 4.2 non supercharged, it was great for what it was.

Change of jobs meant an XJ derv (sorry) replaced that. But as soon as my mileage dropped back down I invested in the full fat XFR- this was properly fast, change of exhaust back boxes and some replacement air filters saw it clock 593bhp on a rolling road. E-diff, revised suspension and better brakes were the biggest changes you could feel from behind the wheel. The Bowers and Wilkins sound system was also a peach. That unfortunately had the dreaded timing chain issue rear its head at about 70(ish) mph on a B road- diagnosis was dead engine. Luckily it was another approved used car and after much debate with the warranty folks it had a new engine. It's installation was a horrible job by the dealers and saw me having to move it on sharpish at a fair old chunk under what it was worth due to all the faults.

Now in a gen 2 ingenium petrol - which is like a white good compared to the first gen. Soulless, built to a price and with no personality whatsoever. Obtained as a result of a black friday leasing spectacular it goes back at the end of this month after two years and 15000 bland miles, in which it didn't do much wrong, but didn't do much right either.

A good XFR when they drop into thread territory will be a thing to behold, an SV8 is a perfectly acceptable alternative if your primary purpose is to waft and remain under the radar.

Lord.Vader

2,396 posts

88 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Krikkit said:
Lord.Vader said:
Yes a North Wales barge meet is an excellent idea!

Over the horseshoe pass (damn average speed cameras) and to the cafe at the top smile
No average on the horseshoe, only on one leg of the Evo at the moment. Plenty of other good roads though, happy to try and draw something up.


Edited by Krikkit on Tuesday 14th January 09:43
I definitely went through some average speed cameras on my way there a few weeks ago!

A5104 / A525, can’t remember which way I took.

Macron

4,155 posts

115 months

Tuesday 14th January
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You're not going to buy a 2.0 petrol, especially from someone who doesn't subscribe to a front number plate. However, how good does the late 9-5 Aero look?! £5200.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/saab/alan/1356029213


W00DY

11,909 posts

175 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Macron said:
You're not going to buy a 2.0 petrol, especially from someone who doesn't subscribe to a front number plate. However, how good does the late 9-5 Aero look?! £5200.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/saab/alan/1356029213

It looks incredible in that edited photo, but in the rest the red looks rather washed out. I''d love an estate, but I think they made about 0.3 of them.

Krikkit

17,094 posts

130 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Lord.Vader said:
Krikkit said:
Lord.Vader said:
Yes a North Wales barge meet is an excellent idea!

Over the horseshoe pass (damn average speed cameras) and to the cafe at the top smile
No average on the horseshoe, only on one leg of the Evo at the moment. Plenty of other good roads though, happy to try and draw something up.
I definitely went through some average speed cameras on my way there a few weeks ago!

A5104 / A525, can’t remember which way I took.
Ah yeah the A5104 has them to the roundabout before you get on the pass - I never go that way as I always start in Ruthin and go down the A525 and through the Nant-y-Garth to get over the horseshoe.

SpeckledJim

20,433 posts

202 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Krikkit said:
Lord.Vader said:
Krikkit said:
Lord.Vader said:
Yes a North Wales barge meet is an excellent idea!

Over the horseshoe pass (damn average speed cameras) and to the cafe at the top smile
No average on the horseshoe, only on one leg of the Evo at the moment. Plenty of other good roads though, happy to try and draw something up.
I definitely went through some average speed cameras on my way there a few weeks ago!

A5104 / A525, can’t remember which way I took.
Ah yeah the A5104 has them to the roundabout before you get on the pass - I never go that way as I always start in Ruthin and go down the A525 and through the Nant-y-Garth to get over the horseshoe.
Once the weather has improved and the XJS is taxed again, I could be persuaded to wear clothes long enough to join a North Wales meet. If and only if it is built around a fry-up at the Ponderosa and a lusty wander around the motorbikes, silently cursing the miserable and duty-packed course my life has taken.

https://www.ponderosacafe.co.uk/



And to hell with the cost, it's a special occasion.

rider73

364 posts

26 months

Tuesday 14th January
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ali_XF said:
I am on my third XF - first was an SV8 which was almost a Q car- no outward bulges or scoops or addenda that gave away the 420bhp V8 under the bonnet. Was quick in a straight line but wasn't the greatest in terms of handling. Pretty comfy for wafting about in. Bought as an approved used car to replace an X350 XJ 4.2 non supercharged, it was great for what it was.

Change of jobs meant an XJ derv (sorry) replaced that. But as soon as my mileage dropped back down I invested in the full fat XFR- this was properly fast, change of exhaust back boxes and some replacement air filters saw it clock 593bhp on a rolling road. E-diff, revised suspension and better brakes were the biggest changes you could feel from behind the wheel. The Bowers and Wilkins sound system was also a peach. That unfortunately had the dreaded timing chain issue rear its head at about 70(ish) mph on a B road- diagnosis was dead engine. Luckily it was another approved used car and after much debate with the warranty folks it had a new engine. It's installation was a horrible job by the dealers and saw me having to move it on sharpish at a fair old chunk under what it was worth due to all the faults.

Now in a gen 2 ingenium petrol - which is like a white good compared to the first gen. Soulless, built to a price and with no personality whatsoever. Obtained as a result of a black friday leasing spectacular it goes back at the end of this month after two years and 15000 bland miles, in which it didn't do much wrong, but didn't do much right either.

A good XFR when they drop into thread territory will be a thing to behold, an SV8 is a perfectly acceptable alternative if your primary purpose is to waft and remain under the radar.
excellent post - thank ali_XF

tog

3,632 posts

177 months

Tuesday 14th January
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W00DY said:
It looks incredible in that edited photo, but in the rest the red looks rather washed out. I''d love an estate, but I think they made about 0.3 of them.
The NG 9-5 is a lovely shape that has aged vey well I think. The estate is even better. There are a handful on the road in Europe but I believe the wagon was never type approved in RHD.

Edit to add:

9-5sc2012.com said:
During the Saab Automobile AB era, thirteen 9-5NG SportCombis were produced on the regular production line in Trollhättan, Sweden, and another twenty in the Saab pre-production workshop called “Frickeboa”. In addition to these 33, a yet unknown -limited- number of test cars were also made in the GM facilities in Rüsselsheim, Germany. There are records of at least 35 SportCombis that were manufactured, but sadly only 27 are believed to still exist.
Edited by tog on Tuesday 14th January 11:32

tog

3,632 posts

177 months

Tuesday 14th January
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I may have ben wrong about this not being approved in RHD. Turns out there are three registered, two scrapped. One is even for sale!



https://home.mobile.de/AUTOHAUSLAFRENTZ#des_282398...

Slightly over thread budget though.

ElectricSoup

6,347 posts

100 months

Tuesday 14th January
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tog said:
I may have ben wrong about this not being approved in RHD. Turns out there are three registered, two scrapped. One is even for sale!



https://home.mobile.de/AUTOHAUSLAFRENTZ#des_282398...

Slightly over thread budget though.
Homargawd, my wibblometer just broke.

SpeckledJim

20,433 posts

202 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Not completely persuaded by the dropping line of the DLO above the rear door. Shades of Volvo 245-style cost-cutting there.

Otherwise, it's a very striking thing, innit?


ShyTallKnight

1,537 posts

162 months

Tuesday 14th January
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ali_XF said:
But as soon as my mileage dropped back down I invested in the full fat XFR- this was properly fast, change of exhaust back boxes and some replacement air filters saw it clock 593bhp on a rolling road. E-diff, revised suspension and better brakes were the biggest changes you could feel from behind the wheel. The Bowers and Wilkins sound system was also a peach. That unfortunately had the dreaded timing chain issue rear its head at about 70(ish) mph on a B road- diagnosis was dead engine. Luckily it was another approved used car and after much debate with the warranty folks it had a new engine. It's installation was a horrible job by the dealers and saw me having to move it on sharpish at a fair old chunk under what it was worth due to all the faults.
Due to a disproportionate increase in annual mileage I went the other way and sold my 2012 XFR earlier last year to go derv... The XFR really is a great bit of kit especially with a set of Spires backboxes as the std exhaust is waaaaaayyy too quiet.

I found out a couple of months after part ex'ing mine that similar to ali_XF's experiences the new owner suffered timing chain failure and the last I heard was getting the engine rebuilt at his cost frown

Mileage was about 70k and this on a car with a full Jag SH and upto the point I moved it on was covered by the Jag warranty.

I'd still have another one some day but with a decent slush fund assigned....

W00DY

11,909 posts

175 months

Tuesday 14th January
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SpeckledJim said:
Not completely persuaded by the dropping line of the DLO above the rear door. Shades of Volvo 245-style cost-cutting there.

Otherwise, it's a very striking thing, innit?
Oh dear. Once seen..

Guess I'll hold off on writing that cheque for €50k.

tog

3,632 posts

177 months

Tuesday 14th January
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ElectricSoup said:
Homargawd, my wibblometer just broke.
There only a single example of the V6 turbo XWD wagon, and it is in thread brown too.



https://9-5sc2012.com/saab-9-5-sportcombi-2012-dir...

BFleming

1,664 posts

92 months

Tuesday 14th January
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W00DY said:
Macron said:
You're not going to buy a 2.0 petrol, especially from someone who doesn't subscribe to a front number plate. However, how good does the late 9-5 Aero look?! £5200.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/saab/alan/1356029213

It looks incredible in that edited photo, but in the rest the red looks rather washed out.
Nothing that a decent detailer couldn't sort out. But red on a big car? It's never popular.
I have mixed feelings on these. I went to see one a few years ago when I got a bit fed up of my E90, and it was stunning, in that dark metallic blue. Most of them suffer from worn radio/climate buttons, and replacements aren't available. Parts are a mixed bag (service parts are ok, body parts less so). I said to myself I'd do it one day, but that's unlikely now.
The 2.8 V6 turbo - a friend had it in his 9-3 Turbo X, and it seems they stretch their timing chains, causing a camshaft position implausibility error. The only cure is an engine out timing chain renewal. Gulp.
The 2.0 petrol - it's solid enough. The 2.0 diesel TID and TTID's (single / twin turbo) sound like the Insignia from the same period. Not refined when static, but they do the job just fine.

ElectricSoup

6,347 posts

100 months

Tuesday 14th January
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tog said:
There only a single example of the V6 turbo XWD wagon, and it is in thread brown too.



https://9-5sc2012.com/saab-9-5-sportcombi-2012-dir...
ka-thud.

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