RE: Peugeot 308 GT THP | Shed of the Week
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1974foggy said:
Halmyre said:
Has Mrs Shed lost her allure?
Ha - Allure - isnt that a Peugeot trim level name? See what you did there.
Biggest thing that amuses me after scanning through all these posts, is the two posters who BOTH state they had THREE French cars, and they were 'terrible', 'never again' and 'lesson learned'.
Hmmm, your first French car was such an absolute piece of s**t that you decided to take the plunge......... two more times???
Hmmm, your first French car was such an absolute piece of s**t that you decided to take the plunge......... two more times???
Arsecati said:
Biggest thing that amuses me after scanning through all these posts, is the two posters who BOTH state they had THREE French cars, and they were 'terrible', 'never again' and 'lesson learned'.
Hmmm, your first French car was such an absolute piece of s**t that you decided to take the plunge......... two more times???
Haha quite! I've had three Renaults (two Renaultsports) in a mix of Ford's, BMW's, Alpina's etc and they have been the three most dependable cars I've ever owned. Hmmm, your first French car was such an absolute piece of s**t that you decided to take the plunge......... two more times???
MrGeoff said:
sgtBerbatov said:
The electronic power steering pumps in these are a death trap. When I had my Peugeot 3008 (which is essentially a parts bin build of this) I was doing 50 mph when the power steering encountered a failure. When this happened it turned off the pump, meaning I had no power steering. At 50mph. I'm a big guy, I'm not weak, and I struggled to turn the wheel. I got it to the side of the road and turned it off and on again and it resolved the issue. Until I got home and it failed again when turning on to the drive.
The cause? One mechanic said the ECU had died and it needed to be refurbed at the cost of £300. A new pump from Peugeot cost £800. But apparently, from reading a few things online, this can happen if one tyre has more or less pressure than the other, causing the pump to panic and turn off. How is that even remotely safe?
So, like most Peugeots of this era, unless you hate money you're best to avoid such a hateful thing.
That sounds just a little bit worrying. Begs the question how safe are steering systems these days?The cause? One mechanic said the ECU had died and it needed to be refurbed at the cost of £300. A new pump from Peugeot cost £800. But apparently, from reading a few things online, this can happen if one tyre has more or less pressure than the other, causing the pump to panic and turn off. How is that even remotely safe?
So, like most Peugeots of this era, unless you hate money you're best to avoid such a hateful thing.
Number of claims per car per year, according to one Swedish insurance company. This is from 2017.
If you read it in detail on Peugeot specific most of their claims are around the bmw 1.6 THP engine, which has so many issues. Apart from that they are pretty good.
Why bother with facts anyway...
If you read it in detail on Peugeot specific most of their claims are around the bmw 1.6 THP engine, which has so many issues. Apart from that they are pretty good.
Why bother with facts anyway...
CedricN said:
Number of claims per car per year, according to one Swedish insurance company. This is from 2017.
If you read it in detail on Peugeot specific most of their claims are around the bmw 1.6 THP engine, which has so many issues. Apart from that they are pretty good.
Why bother with facts anyway...
Heretic!! How will the doom mongers and naysayers be heard when you hurl insignificant things such facts into the mix?? If you read it in detail on Peugeot specific most of their claims are around the bmw 1.6 THP engine, which has so many issues. Apart from that they are pretty good.
Why bother with facts anyway...
Zetec-S said:
Coincidentally I was following a 308 on my commute this morning. Brake lights were stuck on the entire journey.
So it's a no from me...
That's just peugoet drivers. You know the type that brake all the way down a hill instead of changing down, break for corners with no need. Or when a car passes on other side of rode.So it's a no from me...
Out of the 69 cars I have owned over the last 42 years and 1.5 million miles, all 30 of the French ones have been reliable. All were second hand, most diesel and the biggest mileage was a Citroen C5 at 250k on original engine, box, clutch, alternator and exhaust.
The only French car that ever let me down was a Xantia. The clutch cable snapped at 178,000 miles - £25 fixed it.
The problem with French cars is the owners who couldn't give a stuff about proper servicing. If you service them right they are fine.
I never bought one under four years of age or spent more than £3250 on a daily drone and I've sold several for more than I paid after a few years of use. I still have two Pugs in my family fleet - a 407 coupe and a 206 1.4 16v Sport (now that's a cracking little shed motor).
One has been a daily for the last six years and the other my eldest sons learner hack and run about for the last three years.
I tell you what though, keep hating fellas, I'm loving the cheap prices.
The only French car that ever let me down was a Xantia. The clutch cable snapped at 178,000 miles - £25 fixed it.
The problem with French cars is the owners who couldn't give a stuff about proper servicing. If you service them right they are fine.
I never bought one under four years of age or spent more than £3250 on a daily drone and I've sold several for more than I paid after a few years of use. I still have two Pugs in my family fleet - a 407 coupe and a 206 1.4 16v Sport (now that's a cracking little shed motor).
One has been a daily for the last six years and the other my eldest sons learner hack and run about for the last three years.
I tell you what though, keep hating fellas, I'm loving the cheap prices.
Crumpet said:
I’ve had three French cars - Laguna, Clio and a 307. Every single one of them left me stranded, multiple times in the case of the 307 and the Clio. They’re s
t.
On the other hand, none of the seven British cars I’ve had have left me stranded anywhere. Plenty of issues with them, but I’ll take a whiny differential or leaky air conditioning over self-combustion.
Shedding in a French car is very brave!
i did 10000 miles in 3 months in an 05 laguna earlier this year with no oil checks or anything. Admittedly it had been looked after but you'll often find the unreliability comes down to a lack of proper maintenence. This fuels the steep depreciation of french cars and gives them a throwaway reputation at 10 years, bit like vauxhalls. Shame really. Even the saxo 1.1 i had 10 years ago hit the limiter without oil change for 20000 miles and the xsara i had last year did 12000 miles without any checks. S reg 200 quid. I just don't believe what i'm reading in this thread.t. On the other hand, none of the seven British cars I’ve had have left me stranded anywhere. Plenty of issues with them, but I’ll take a whiny differential or leaky air conditioning over self-combustion.
Shedding in a French car is very brave!
I've run a few old French snotters and they've not been any more or less reliable than any of the other snotters I've had, however when they do need work I've found that the job is often significantly harder and more time consuming (thus costly if you're paying) than repairs on most other cars.
It's a rare week that I don't see one or two French cars with an indicator coming on for a brake light, or some other evidence of a wiring fault though! I can't remember the last time I saw anything except a Peugeot, Renault, or Citroen doing that.
It's a rare week that I don't see one or two French cars with an indicator coming on for a brake light, or some other evidence of a wiring fault though! I can't remember the last time I saw anything except a Peugeot, Renault, or Citroen doing that.
Turbobanana said:
Off topic a bit, but it's interesting to look on US sites like Jalopnik, for their take on what they perceive as a "reliable" car. Generally speaking the all-hailed (in the UK) German stuff gets a beating. Granted they don't get a lot of European stuff like Peugeots and Renaults, but it's Japanese all day long there.
Americans have a completely different engineering stereotype: for them "German" does not mean "reliable" but "overengineered", as in "needlessly complicated". They might admire it, but not trust it.The wife's got the GTI version of this. Bought it 6 years ago with 15K km on the clock, and it's now just past 80K. Other than a new battery, new front pads and headlamp bulbs (twice), it's been completely trouble-free. No advisories whatsoever. Yes, it does use some oil, but not excessively so. The engine and the gearbox are excellent, it really likes to rev. Seats are super comfy, if a bit high. Build quality is pretty good, if not quite on par with the more boring German alternatives. It's definitely a keeper, and certainly not just because used values are low for these.
CedricN said:
Number of claims per car per year, according to one Swedish insurance company. This is from 2017.
If you read it in detail on Peugeot specific most of their claims are around the bmw 1.6 THP engine, which has so many issues. Apart from that they are pretty good.
Why bother with facts anyway...
Funny that you call it the 'BMW' THP engine when the general gist is that the Prince was a development of the TU by PSA and BMW merely lent it's Valvetronic tech to PSA so that they could secure the engine for the MINI.If you read it in detail on Peugeot specific most of their claims are around the bmw 1.6 THP engine, which has so many issues. Apart from that they are pretty good.
Why bother with facts anyway...
Maybe I don't know enough about it?
Quick question about the graph, I feel like it needs some context. How many cars of each manufacturer are sold and on the road in Sweden? Surely it would be more prudent to compare the amount of claims against vehicles sold to work out some sort of percentage?
And no, I don't hate French cars, I like them quite a lot. I'm actively scouring for a nice GTi6 306 or a Saxo VTS as a track car. I desperately want to own an RS 172/182 Clio and I'm pleading with my father to find a nice Safrane once he's moved to France. That doesn't mean they're free from (valid) criticism.
The two BMWs I own have been subject to full cooling system replacements, I've been left stranded twice by my 540i because the gearbox spat it's dummy out and my 530 has bizarre electrical issues that mean I have to unlock the front doors on the key (shock horror, how common) despite the rest working great off of the remote.
geo1905 said:
Just watch that oil level ! The later N18 engine ain't perfect but the earlier N14 version could use oil like it was going out of fashion !
Throw the N13 in there too. They suffer premature timing chain wear, the oil consumption is a symptom of the chain wear. Not a bad engine when it's without fault. It's just the faults are plentiful (timing chain, coolant leaks and oil leaks being most prevalent).miken2k8 said:
Well it's a load of rubbish, it's not an older french car. After 2005 or so french cars are just as reliable as anything else. Thanks to these opinions the rest of us can pick up a bargain.
This is just not true I'm afraid. I'd argue that 2005> French cars are worse than the older ones, if anything. They are flimsy and unreliable, and cheap for a reason. They're all yours 
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