RE: Peugeot 308 GT THP | Shed of the Week
Discussion
Loplop said:
Quick question about the graph, I feel like it needs some context. How many cars of each manufacturer are sold and on the road in Sweden? Surely it would be more prudent to compare the amount of claims against vehicles sold to work out some sort of percentage?
Strangely enough, the Swedes know a thing or two about statistics too. The graph shows claims per 100 registered cars.Sparky137 said:
miken2k8 said:
the_hood said:
Looks ok, but I'd always be worried as older French cars don't have a great reputation for reliability.
Well it's a load of rubbish, it's not an older french car. After 2005 or so french cars are just as reliable as anything else. Thanks to these opinions the rest of us can pick up a bargain.Lessons learned, never again.
Edited by Notanotherturbo on Friday 25th October 16:54
miken2k8 said:
Crumpet said:
I’ve had three French cars - Laguna, Clio and a 307. Every single one of them left me stranded, multiple times in the case of the 307 and the Clio. They’re s
t.
On the other hand, none of the seven British cars I’ve had have left me stranded anywhere. Plenty of issues with them, but I’ll take a whiny differential or leaky air conditioning over self-combustion.
Shedding in a French car is very brave!
i did 10000 miles in 3 months in an 05 laguna earlier this year with no oil checks or anything. Admittedly it had been looked after but you'll often find the unreliability comes down to a lack of proper maintenence. This fuels the steep depreciation of french cars and gives them a throwaway reputation at 10 years, bit like vauxhalls. Shame really. Even the saxo 1.1 i had 10 years ago hit the limiter without oil change for 20000 miles and the xsara i had last year did 12000 miles without any checks. S reg 200 quid. I just don't believe what i'm reading in this thread.t. On the other hand, none of the seven British cars I’ve had have left me stranded anywhere. Plenty of issues with them, but I’ll take a whiny differential or leaky air conditioning over self-combustion.
Shedding in a French car is very brave!
fernando the frog said:
Toyota also sell cars that are just rebadged Citroens..
Toyota only use the Toyota sourced 1.0 engine, whereas Citroen and Peugeot also offer the 1.2 PSA engine alongside the Toyota sourced 1.0. Edited by fernando the frog on Friday 25th October 11:58
Why do you think that is?
Aside from the shed, which I sort of like because it’s unusual but isn’t really my thing, I find the love/hate french car debate interesting; some thoughts on that:
To date I’ve had 2 Rovers, followed by 3 BMWs, and currently a Duster for work. Always been big on preventative maintenance.
The Duster is my first French (or basically French) car and has been a mixed bag (some rust, and it isn’t an early Indian-built one either) and dubious electrics. However, it takes unsympathetic use carrying heavy stuff and barrelling through rough lanes etc without complaining. On the french theme, my brother - who has the mechanical sympathy of Jeremy Clarkson - did 300 miles a week for two years, cross-country with lots of overtaking, in a 6 year old, 80000 miles 206GTi with no issue at all (and he didn’t even service it in that time, the philistine).
Of my cars, the most reliable? My second Rover, a 1999 216. The least? My low-mileage, full BMW SH, mollycoddled E46 330Ci.
The point of this ramble? Quality control on anything so complex as a modern (ish) car is likely to have inconsistencies, so generalisations are likely to be dubious.
All I’d say is, the French don’t appear to wholly deserve their reputation for unreliability, the Germans DEFINITELY don’t appear to deserve their ‘bulletproof, will go on for ever’ reputation.
To date I’ve had 2 Rovers, followed by 3 BMWs, and currently a Duster for work. Always been big on preventative maintenance.
The Duster is my first French (or basically French) car and has been a mixed bag (some rust, and it isn’t an early Indian-built one either) and dubious electrics. However, it takes unsympathetic use carrying heavy stuff and barrelling through rough lanes etc without complaining. On the french theme, my brother - who has the mechanical sympathy of Jeremy Clarkson - did 300 miles a week for two years, cross-country with lots of overtaking, in a 6 year old, 80000 miles 206GTi with no issue at all (and he didn’t even service it in that time, the philistine).
Of my cars, the most reliable? My second Rover, a 1999 216. The least? My low-mileage, full BMW SH, mollycoddled E46 330Ci.
The point of this ramble? Quality control on anything so complex as a modern (ish) car is likely to have inconsistencies, so generalisations are likely to be dubious.
All I’d say is, the French don’t appear to wholly deserve their reputation for unreliability, the Germans DEFINITELY don’t appear to deserve their ‘bulletproof, will go on for ever’ reputation.
Not for me thank you.
Even 'if' the reputation for flimsy unreliability wasn't true, it's just a rubbish car.
It couldn't even keep up with my 320d touring, so how is it even a 'warm' hatch ?
I'd guesstimate that roughly one in every 6 french cars I see on the roads has at least one not-working light, and that includes new cars. Electrically they are nightmares.
Even 'if' the reputation for flimsy unreliability wasn't true, it's just a rubbish car.
It couldn't even keep up with my 320d touring, so how is it even a 'warm' hatch ?
I'd guesstimate that roughly one in every 6 french cars I see on the roads has at least one not-working light, and that includes new cars. Electrically they are nightmares.
Now I'm living in Trumpton I do miss the prices and condition of used cars in the UK.
Just bought a car for the missus and every one we looked at was on the slippery slope to becoming a heap. Everyone here treats them like white goods, dings are unavoidable and never get repaired, driving nose to bumper means low speed front / rear end nudges are unavoidable resulting in bashed bumpers, poorly repainted and poorly refitted. Milages are high. Interiors deteriorate a lot quicker in high temperatures.
And I remember being jealous of the low price of new cars in the US. Hah!
Just bought a car for the missus and every one we looked at was on the slippery slope to becoming a heap. Everyone here treats them like white goods, dings are unavoidable and never get repaired, driving nose to bumper means low speed front / rear end nudges are unavoidable resulting in bashed bumpers, poorly repainted and poorly refitted. Milages are high. Interiors deteriorate a lot quicker in high temperatures.
And I remember being jealous of the low price of new cars in the US. Hah!
I won't buy any European cars with my own money. VW Group - DSG, Twin-Charger, Diesel Gate and now the Super Kangaroo 1.5TSi (I have one in an Octavia company car and the fix doesn't work). I avoided anything French after I used to take our Renault work van (A Kangoo which was actually really reliable) to Renault and every time saw the queues of people arguing over huge bills for something electrical. Had a Toyota for 12 years, had 2 faults.
The SOTW, at that age it's probably worth a punt as much as anything else. At least it could be a bit of a laugh.
The SOTW, at that age it's probably worth a punt as much as anything else. At least it could be a bit of a laugh.
GTiWILL said:
Toyota only use the Toyota sourced 1.0 engine, whereas Citroen and Peugeot also offer the 1.2 PSA engine alongside the Toyota sourced 1.0.
Why do you think that is?
Citroen and Peugeot want to offer buyers the choice of a slightly more powerful version as that's what some of them wantWhy do you think that is?
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