RE: Litchfield Porsche Carrera 4 S (992) | Driven
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sidesauce said:
wab172uk said:
But, I now feel sorry for future owners of these cars.
I wouldn't. I couldn't care less about any of the owners of cars I no longer own. What happens to those cars once they are not mine is no longer my concern, nor my problem.wab172uk said:
But that sums up society these days. I'm alright, sod everyone else.
And rightfully so - I don't expect anyone to look out for me and if I bought a car secondhand that went on to have problems, I'm not blaming the former owner more than I am blaming myself for not doing my due diligence before purchasing!Edited by sidesauce on Thursday 7th November 10:17
deadscoob said:
SidewaysSi said:
The problem with the 992 is it is actually a really very dull car and far from a sports car. Another lump of power and torque won't change that.
Is that based on your ownership, a test drive or what you read?NJJ said:
It never gets commented on articles about Litchfield, but what warranty cover do they offer if any for their mods? It makes perfect sense to mod the car once the standard manufacture warranty has expired but from new, surely its lunacy? Does not matter how wealthy you are if you are hit with a gearbox/engine re-build it will hurt.
They dont need a warranty - i have never heard of any Porsche engine having problems or issues so why worry - run one out of warranty!SidewaysSi said:
deadscoob said:
SidewaysSi said:
The problem with the 992 is it is actually a really very dull car and far from a sports car. Another lump of power and torque won't change that.
Is that based on your ownership, a test drive or what you read?If they did, please supply said dealer and name of salesman I need to ring this afternoon.
wab172uk said:
Sorry, but I'm calling BS. Porsche may give a track day to prospective buyers. Maybe a car for the day to seal the deal. But no dealer will chuck the car keys at you and allow you to have it for a week.
If they did, please supply said dealer and name of salesman I need to ring this afternoon.
probably Porsche themselvesIf they did, please supply said dealer and name of salesman I need to ring this afternoon.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNbCtCG7BowpRvDSM...
Arsecati said:
There's something wrong with this comments section: nobody has come on yet and said 'I'd have mine with a manual' or 'it would have to be a manual', or some other reference to this car only being 'proper' if it had a manual! 
How much?For the same price you could buy a 2nd hand (something)
wab172uk said:
SidewaysSi said:
deadscoob said:
SidewaysSi said:
The problem with the 992 is it is actually a really very dull car and far from a sports car. Another lump of power and torque won't change that.
Is that based on your ownership, a test drive or what you read?If they did, please supply said dealer and name of salesman I need to ring this afternoon.
So the 992 is nearly as big, as heavy, as powerful and as fast as a 10 year old Nissan GT-R.
About as ugly as well. Well sweet, well sorted.
Nice work from Litchfield though, as much as I like N/A sound and throttle response, the bottom end torque of the modern turbo engines is such a joy in any car.
About as ugly as well. Well sweet, well sorted.
Nice work from Litchfield though, as much as I like N/A sound and throttle response, the bottom end torque of the modern turbo engines is such a joy in any car.
article said:
It takes a confident right foot early in the corner but, even on a dry road, it will rotate subtly on the throttle into a sustained all-wheel drive, four-wheel drift. A bit like a GT-R, in fact.
Oh come off it 
. How would you know this, have you really been drifting one of Litchfield's customer cars down country lanes?Where are people driving that a car that can already do a mid 3's to 62 mph is "not fast enough"??
Remapping, back in the day, when a fast car did say 7 sec to 60 (probably 8 to 62 with the gear shift to 3rd) knocked off a couple of seconds perhaps, and gave a significant, real world useable increase in performance. Today, there is nothing you can't overtake, no speed limit you can't break, no dodgy maneuver you can't make ( sounds like the lyrics to a song from FastNFurious.....) in a standard 911.
Remapping, back in the day, when a fast car did say 7 sec to 60 (probably 8 to 62 with the gear shift to 3rd) knocked off a couple of seconds perhaps, and gave a significant, real world useable increase in performance. Today, there is nothing you can't overtake, no speed limit you can't break, no dodgy maneuver you can't make ( sounds like the lyrics to a song from FastNFurious.....) in a standard 911.
wab172uk said:
sidesauce said:
wab172uk said:
But, I now feel sorry for future owners of these cars.
I wouldn't. I couldn't care less about any of the owners of cars I no longer own. What happens to those cars once they are not mine is no longer my concern, nor my problem.wab172uk said:
But that sums up society these days. I'm alright, sod everyone else.
And rightfully so - I don't expect anyone to look out for me and if I bought a car secondhand that went on to have problems, I'm not blaming the former owner more than I am blaming myself for not doing my due diligence before purchasing!This is why I'm not keen on buying second hand performance cars, or at least not from anyone other than an authorised dealer.
Honeywell said:
To what question is this car the answer?
"Please can I have the performance of the upcoming Turbo, but with more subtlety, and at a lower cost?"The remap probably costs less that a hifi upgrade, or fancy seats. It's pocket change if you're spending over £100k on a car.
Max_Torque said:
Where are people driving that a car that can already do a mid 3's to 62 mph is "not fast enough"??
Remapping, back in the day, when a fast car did say 7 sec to 60 (probably 8 to 62 with the gear shift to 3rd) knocked off a couple of seconds perhaps, and gave a significant, real world useable increase in performance. Today, there is nothing you can't overtake, no speed limit you can't break, no dodgy maneuver you can't make ( sounds like the lyrics to a song from FastNFurious.....) in a standard 911.
Well, you can talk about it, take it to Vmax200 a few times a year and maybe autosolo it too. Sure, there are limited times when it would be useful or desirable to have a car this fast in reality versus ones that is already fast, but then that argument is valid for a lot of things. Remapping, back in the day, when a fast car did say 7 sec to 60 (probably 8 to 62 with the gear shift to 3rd) knocked off a couple of seconds perhaps, and gave a significant, real world useable increase in performance. Today, there is nothing you can't overtake, no speed limit you can't break, no dodgy maneuver you can't make ( sounds like the lyrics to a song from FastNFurious.....) in a standard 911.
My W204 C63 Estate managed 0-60 in 4.21 seconds at best and really that was probably 25-30% more improvement than I "needed". A standard 911 is more than even most petrolheads need or could use.
But, sometimes, you just want a really outrageously fast car. Part of being a petrolhead for some people, innit?
I own a 991.1, so the older NA engine and even at that point it wouldn't be unfair to say the car is as much a GT as a sports car. Having drove numerous Cayman/Boxsters both flat 6 and the new awful turbo engine along with both a Cayan and a Macanne with their turbo engine, it doesn't take much imagination to see why people would suggest the 992 is a "dull" car, not a bad car but not an exciting driving experience.
It's the same issues why people have concerns over electric cars as performance toys. Size, weight, noise and a lack of having to "work" for the power by going through the powerband vs huge amounts of mechanical grip (again not always a bad thing!) and instant torque. Simply upping the power figure just amplifies the faults as an experience rather than nullifying them.
It's the same issues why people have concerns over electric cars as performance toys. Size, weight, noise and a lack of having to "work" for the power by going through the powerband vs huge amounts of mechanical grip (again not always a bad thing!) and instant torque. Simply upping the power figure just amplifies the faults as an experience rather than nullifying them.
Sandpit Steve said:
Ooh, so £99k for 580bhp (yes, plus options, and I’m assuming Litchfield give at least something of a drivetrain warranty on this)
Who else does that, for the same money?
you could get a 570s for near that price, people talking about 50k mclaren contributons recently Who else does that, for the same money?
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