Garages - are they all just a bit crap?
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Hate having anyone do any work on my cars. For the last 15 years I've always done all the work on them myself, only using garages for things that are impractical for me to do like tyres. Even then, the last pair of tyres I bought, from a local supplier that are meant to be the place to go, were so badly balanced they made the car undrivable at 60-80mph. Had to take them somewhere else and pay again for balancing as they wouldn't have it that it was being caused by the tyres (car had had a full set of control arms, ARB bushes+links, new discsd and pads...wasn't anything else it could be). Funnily enough once the tyres were sorted properly (120g of weights suddenly turned into 25g of weights on the same wheel and tyre..) the car drove perfect.
Only place I have actually been impressed enough to pay for them to service a car is my local Honda dealer, they do lifetime free MOTs on the car, have a lovely waiting room with free drinks, a beautiful marine fish tank and a huge Scalextric layout. No issues with any work they have done and pretty reasonably priced.
Only place I have actually been impressed enough to pay for them to service a car is my local Honda dealer, they do lifetime free MOTs on the car, have a lovely waiting room with free drinks, a beautiful marine fish tank and a huge Scalextric layout. No issues with any work they have done and pretty reasonably priced.
I often contemplate sending the cars to a garage rather than spending all weekend fixing something, but after all the horror stories i'm glad i don't!
Its such a shame that the industry is in such a poor state and it further reinforces peoples mentality that a new car is the only option if you cannot maintain your own car
Its such a shame that the industry is in such a poor state and it further reinforces peoples mentality that a new car is the only option if you cannot maintain your own car
Quavers said:
The only thing I have noticed is a lot of jobs seem to be getting turned down - fuel/turbo problems on diesel engines, complex suspension ( yes VW I'm looking at you) etc...
I had the valve stem seals done on my V8 BMW for just under a grand - local indies ran a mile.
I don't know specifically about your valve stem seals but I think vehicle manufacturers have made repair jobs so complex, with so many special tools and specialist (dealer level) diagnostics necessary for so much, the independents just can't keep up. I had the valve stem seals done on my V8 BMW for just under a grand - local indies ran a mile.
If a good independent garage has got more than enough work on already, it's not worth taking on an iffy job that has potential to bounce back for further rectification, they might as well point you in the direction of a proper specialist for that field (think Bosch diesels as an example) or the main dealer as a last resort, where they will have all of the tools, knowledge and manufacturer backup that should be able to fix the issue.
I think it's been said before, but garages normally deal with folks who don't know a spanner from a hammer.
I can do a bit of my own work, mostly routine maintenance stuff (oil, brakes etc.) but don't have the patience, skill or desire to do bigger jobs.
I always feel disappointed with garages, so now I just lower my expectations! I check over the car after every bit of work. I also find it's helpful to lay out exactly what you want the garage to do. Also, calculate the estimated cost yourself and possible complications. Lean on the side of pessimism and anything better is a bonus!
I know a lot of the folks I work with will drop their car in for a service & MOT once a year and that's it. The garage might as well be performing magic in there, because they haven't the foggiest what is been carried out. Nor do they care. They just want their car to work and not cost a lot.
It's not all bad though. I've definitely had better experiences with specialist garages. The type that don't mind you in the garage having a cup of coffee while they work on your car.
I can do a bit of my own work, mostly routine maintenance stuff (oil, brakes etc.) but don't have the patience, skill or desire to do bigger jobs.
I always feel disappointed with garages, so now I just lower my expectations! I check over the car after every bit of work. I also find it's helpful to lay out exactly what you want the garage to do. Also, calculate the estimated cost yourself and possible complications. Lean on the side of pessimism and anything better is a bonus!
I know a lot of the folks I work with will drop their car in for a service & MOT once a year and that's it. The garage might as well be performing magic in there, because they haven't the foggiest what is been carried out. Nor do they care. They just want their car to work and not cost a lot.
It's not all bad though. I've definitely had better experiences with specialist garages. The type that don't mind you in the garage having a cup of coffee while they work on your car.
I hate having to go to any garage as I like work done right and properly.
I have always had second hand cars and for the past 10 years have taken my car to a friends garage and had amazing work. When he closed down and moved to a BMW specialist I followed him and they did all my work which was great, cost a bit more but I know its decent.
Now I have 2 new cars I am in a world of pain.
Seat - replace what they want when they want but the service plan comes to a end as of this month so I think I will take it to my friend as of now to get the work done. Asked Seat to change the wipers as one split on the way to the dealer (35minute drive) to then after 2hours be told it failed the mot on the item and its £45 to supply and £10 to fit the wipers. After a royal a**e kicking they didn't charge me for either.
Hyundai - 3 times the car has been to the dealer since I collected it in September. Snapped door handle, damage to wheels etc basically didn't do a PDI on it. Waiting on a new window trim as damaged when collected the car & another door handle as they damaged that when fitting it. I wont be going back to this dealer once I have fixed the this issue and I wont be going to my local dealer as they have left gearbox bolts hanging out of a friends car 3 times
I have always had second hand cars and for the past 10 years have taken my car to a friends garage and had amazing work. When he closed down and moved to a BMW specialist I followed him and they did all my work which was great, cost a bit more but I know its decent.
Now I have 2 new cars I am in a world of pain.
Seat - replace what they want when they want but the service plan comes to a end as of this month so I think I will take it to my friend as of now to get the work done. Asked Seat to change the wipers as one split on the way to the dealer (35minute drive) to then after 2hours be told it failed the mot on the item and its £45 to supply and £10 to fit the wipers. After a royal a**e kicking they didn't charge me for either.
Hyundai - 3 times the car has been to the dealer since I collected it in September. Snapped door handle, damage to wheels etc basically didn't do a PDI on it. Waiting on a new window trim as damaged when collected the car & another door handle as they damaged that when fitting it. I wont be going back to this dealer once I have fixed the this issue and I wont be going to my local dealer as they have left gearbox bolts hanging out of a friends car 3 times
Like many on here, I've had bad experiences - mainly with main dealers, interestingly, such as the VW dealer who carried out £500 worth of work that the computer told them my wife's Golf needed to cure its misfire when the problem turned out to be the spark plugs. Also the Vauxhall dealer who, when I went to collect the car after leaving it with them for the day for a service and MOT, shamefacedly admitted it wasn't done because "they had forgotten about it".
However, for the last ten years or so I've been using my local village garage and they're brilliant. They are proper mechanics, not just button pushers (they are the crowd who worked out the Golf's problem was the spark plugs in about 20 minutes!). I have also arrived on more than one occasion to collect my car after accepting a repair quote to find the bill is lower as they managed to buy the part required cheaper than originally anticipated when they placed the order.
In addition, there's a Mercedes specialist near me who looked after my old E-Class and I would be happy to recommend, and my local Land Rover independent is the best garage I've ever used. He knows Land Rovers inside out and won't do any work that isn't necessary, plus he once sent me a £40 refund two days after some work on my old Range Rover with a grovelling apology that he'd accidentally overcharged me!
So, there are some good ones out there but they seem to be in a minority.
However, for the last ten years or so I've been using my local village garage and they're brilliant. They are proper mechanics, not just button pushers (they are the crowd who worked out the Golf's problem was the spark plugs in about 20 minutes!). I have also arrived on more than one occasion to collect my car after accepting a repair quote to find the bill is lower as they managed to buy the part required cheaper than originally anticipated when they placed the order.
In addition, there's a Mercedes specialist near me who looked after my old E-Class and I would be happy to recommend, and my local Land Rover independent is the best garage I've ever used. He knows Land Rovers inside out and won't do any work that isn't necessary, plus he once sent me a £40 refund two days after some work on my old Range Rover with a grovelling apology that he'd accidentally overcharged me!
So, there are some good ones out there but they seem to be in a minority.
I've had good experience with basic stuff (new suspension arms etc) but once you're into anything interesting it's very difficult to find anyone with any real diagnosis skills, let alone the mechanical skills to fix the issue. If you want to meet real bodgers though I think auto electricians take the biscuit.
I had an issue with a V12 in a Jaguar XJRS making a really odd noise. It sounded exactly like an exhaust manifold blow but it was inside the V of the engine on the inlet side. I found it disappeared if I took the plug lead off one plug.
I took it to a local Jaguar "expert" who took it for 3 days, says he moved injectors around and other pointless tasks and then decreed it was a dropped valve seat. I pointed out that it had been making the noise for a while and covered some high speed miles, and would have crapped itself all over the road if that were the case. He wouldn't have it though, and wanted to charge me £500 for "diagnosis" (I didn't pay).
I took it to another Jaguar "expert" and he decreed that the head gasket had gone and exhaust gases were coming up the head studs, making that noise. Utter b
ks.
In the end someone on here told me that there were actually holes down to the exhaust valves on the inlet side of the engine that were used for air injection in the US. These are blanked off by the inlet manifold, so it was a fault with the inlet manifold. I fixed it myself on the driveway in 2 hours with about £30 of parts, and it is apparently a very common fault on these engines.
I will say that Mistermatic Jaguar in Swansea, however, are fantastic and highly knowledgable. I spoke to him about it a month later and he instantly knew what it was as soon as I said it was an exhaust blow on the inlet, and said it was an hours job for him to do. He's also been great with my more modern Jaguars. The other two? Expert at changing brake pads on X-Types maybe...
I had an issue with a V12 in a Jaguar XJRS making a really odd noise. It sounded exactly like an exhaust manifold blow but it was inside the V of the engine on the inlet side. I found it disappeared if I took the plug lead off one plug.
I took it to a local Jaguar "expert" who took it for 3 days, says he moved injectors around and other pointless tasks and then decreed it was a dropped valve seat. I pointed out that it had been making the noise for a while and covered some high speed miles, and would have crapped itself all over the road if that were the case. He wouldn't have it though, and wanted to charge me £500 for "diagnosis" (I didn't pay).
I took it to another Jaguar "expert" and he decreed that the head gasket had gone and exhaust gases were coming up the head studs, making that noise. Utter b
ks.In the end someone on here told me that there were actually holes down to the exhaust valves on the inlet side of the engine that were used for air injection in the US. These are blanked off by the inlet manifold, so it was a fault with the inlet manifold. I fixed it myself on the driveway in 2 hours with about £30 of parts, and it is apparently a very common fault on these engines.
I will say that Mistermatic Jaguar in Swansea, however, are fantastic and highly knowledgable. I spoke to him about it a month later and he instantly knew what it was as soon as I said it was an exhaust blow on the inlet, and said it was an hours job for him to do. He's also been great with my more modern Jaguars. The other two? Expert at changing brake pads on X-Types maybe...
Really shopping around is a must.
The place in our village is fine for small bits, but getting parts is a pain which means a next day thing for even simple things like brake pads. They have a long lead time too.
My father in law owns a garage, and knows how picky I am so he only gives my car to his best lad, and allows me to supply my own parts, and often printed instructions from the manufacturer should any parts need special know how.
I have had some poor experiences though, namely that nobody would do a rear wheel bearing on my old 328ci. I'd ask them to diagnose (it turned out to be the diff) but multiple places said they'd get back to me. One place, where I was mates with one of the lads that worked there told me to bring it in, I did, they had it for the day and then said 'Boss says it's a pig of a job, so not going to do it'. That left me less than impressed.
It was reasons like this that I got to doing all of my own work. That's slipped the past couple of months, since I have so much on but I know nobody takes more care with my car than I do. I only buy and use top quality parts and lubricants and research every job I do before I do it, in case there's a 'gotcha' that I don't know about having done the job before. Good way to build the bond between man and machine too.
The place in our village is fine for small bits, but getting parts is a pain which means a next day thing for even simple things like brake pads. They have a long lead time too.
My father in law owns a garage, and knows how picky I am so he only gives my car to his best lad, and allows me to supply my own parts, and often printed instructions from the manufacturer should any parts need special know how.
I have had some poor experiences though, namely that nobody would do a rear wheel bearing on my old 328ci. I'd ask them to diagnose (it turned out to be the diff) but multiple places said they'd get back to me. One place, where I was mates with one of the lads that worked there told me to bring it in, I did, they had it for the day and then said 'Boss says it's a pig of a job, so not going to do it'. That left me less than impressed.
It was reasons like this that I got to doing all of my own work. That's slipped the past couple of months, since I have so much on but I know nobody takes more care with my car than I do. I only buy and use top quality parts and lubricants and research every job I do before I do it, in case there's a 'gotcha' that I don't know about having done the job before. Good way to build the bond between man and machine too.
CoreyDog said:
To be fair, there is a local indie specialist near me in Nottingham who I really cannot fault. They've done various work on my car and I'm always delighted with the work they carry out. Never let me down yet and trust them 100%.
I have used some dodgy places though.
Took mother's car in for a service and MOT to a local garage chain. Advisory on pads and discs on a 3 year old car that had done less than 14K... Said they would sort them for £170. Seemed abit off so left it. Ordered the parts to do it myself, wheel off, discs and pads looked like had loads of life left. Took to another garage to get a second opinion, miraculously the discs and pads were absolutely fine! She must have bought a Fiesta with the optional brakes that add metal to the discs and pads.
I don't think I have EVER been to a garage with any car who doesn't tell you the brake discs need replacing. Easy money for them. I've just done all four corners of my 944 and to have had it done by a 'garage' would have been a nightmare - calipers all needed replacing or refurbing - so this ain't going to Halfords (who admitted to me on an MoT visit a few years ago, they didn't have a grease gun).I have used some dodgy places though.
Took mother's car in for a service and MOT to a local garage chain. Advisory on pads and discs on a 3 year old car that had done less than 14K... Said they would sort them for £170. Seemed abit off so left it. Ordered the parts to do it myself, wheel off, discs and pads looked like had loads of life left. Took to another garage to get a second opinion, miraculously the discs and pads were absolutely fine! She must have bought a Fiesta with the optional brakes that add metal to the discs and pads.
JakeT said:
I know nobody takes more care with my car than I do. I only buy and use top quality parts and lubricants and research every job I do before I do it, in case there's a 'gotcha' that I don't know about having done the job before. Good way to build the bond between man and machine too.
Thing is nowadays, most things are easily researchable ... and I even watched a one hour video on YouTube the other day of a guy replacing his 944 clutch. Granted it looks easy but I'm sure it ain't quite so - lots to remove before you even get near the clutch, but most things are possible with some decent tools and the time ...Blanchimont said:
Ironically the worst experience I had was from a BMW main dealer.
Ironically, they then sent me a "how did we do" email, that was all 1's.
This ^^^^ except the Motorrad service dept were always great, and the sales dept always rude. My annual service reviews reflected that, and I let BMW pass them on to the dealer. Unlikely I'd buy another new bike from them, so the dirty looks after the reviews didn't bother me much.Ironically, they then sent me a "how did we do" email, that was all 1's.
Some are better than others, but its all done down to a price, which is what most are after.
Typically:
- Whenever I get a garage to do something other than the most routine of jobs, I wish I had just done it myself!
- Whenever I do anything other than the most routine of jobs, I wish I had got a garage to do it!
Which I think is in part down to all humans being overly optimistic almost all the time.
Daniel
Typically:
- Whenever I get a garage to do something other than the most routine of jobs, I wish I had just done it myself!
- Whenever I do anything other than the most routine of jobs, I wish I had got a garage to do it!
Which I think is in part down to all humans being overly optimistic almost all the time.
Daniel
Edited by dhutch on Friday 31st March 13:13
Had a Jaguar a few years back. Went into local dealership for a service and came back with a two inch long gash in the wing paintwork. My best guess is someone leant over the wing and scraped it with a belt buckle.
Called the service department and the service manager went into immediate denial overload.
I didn’t lose my cool and after ten minutes he ungraciously agreed to a respray.
I never bought anything from them again.
Called the service department and the service manager went into immediate denial overload.
I didn’t lose my cool and after ten minutes he ungraciously agreed to a respray.
I never bought anything from them again.
I do all routine stuff myself on our own car, but my company lease car is always booked into main dealers. I have started to not bother booking them in for faults if I can tolerate it because main dealers wouldn't find fault with a car that had a missing wheel and no engine. They are good at valeting though, and giving out coffee.
I had brake fluid changed on a Fabia vRS at a Vauxhall Masterfit place that used to exist by me and next day the MPG was horrendous. Found that they had over-filled it to such an extent that the brakes were binding. A few of the women I work with have asked me for 2nd opinions on brakes after garages told them they needed replacing. The one I checked last week the discs and pads were so recent there was not even a lip on any of the discs and the pads were like new. Had an relative told by another (now non-existent) manufacturer fast fit place that his car needed discs and pads all round - when they had all been done the week before.
I had brake fluid changed on a Fabia vRS at a Vauxhall Masterfit place that used to exist by me and next day the MPG was horrendous. Found that they had over-filled it to such an extent that the brakes were binding. A few of the women I work with have asked me for 2nd opinions on brakes after garages told them they needed replacing. The one I checked last week the discs and pads were so recent there was not even a lip on any of the discs and the pads were like new. Had an relative told by another (now non-existent) manufacturer fast fit place that his car needed discs and pads all round - when they had all been done the week before.
Local garage are ok, but not brilliant.
Failed to find a clunk from drivetrain on my Discovery after changing front right driveshaft and not fixing the fault.
Was passenger outer cv joint that had failed...
Identified in 10 seconds at another garage who took it a drive round the car park and heard the clunk.
I would have used my preferred LR specialist but he’s a 2 hour round trip and with the summer rush at work I didn’t have a spare day to take the car to him.
Which is annoying as I still have an intermittent wheel wobble. I’m not convinced the new driveshaft is correct.
Failed to find a clunk from drivetrain on my Discovery after changing front right driveshaft and not fixing the fault.
Was passenger outer cv joint that had failed...
Identified in 10 seconds at another garage who took it a drive round the car park and heard the clunk.
I would have used my preferred LR specialist but he’s a 2 hour round trip and with the summer rush at work I didn’t have a spare day to take the car to him.
Which is annoying as I still have an intermittent wheel wobble. I’m not convinced the new driveshaft is correct.
I've had good experiences with both my local Jag Indy and even Jag main dealer.
Last year the F type went in for a (main dealer) service, they found it had a leaking diff pinion seal and a slight engine oil leak. The (clueless) service adviser brought the technician out to chat to me, and he spent ages explaining what the leak could be and the different things they needed to try to diagnose it and what they could do to fix it. It did involve me taking the car back to use for a few miles to help them trace it but they got it sorted without needing to remove the engine which was the initial fear.
This year's service I was told I would need new rear discs and pads fairly shortly. Again I chatted to the tech and said I intended on doing them myself, so he printed out the TOPIX pages for me showing how to release the electric handbrake and the minimum thickness of the discs and pads so I could get the most life out of them. Couldn't really fault them on either front!
Other than the above, I've had a completely reliable jag sports car and x2 good main dealer experiences...go figure!
Last year the F type went in for a (main dealer) service, they found it had a leaking diff pinion seal and a slight engine oil leak. The (clueless) service adviser brought the technician out to chat to me, and he spent ages explaining what the leak could be and the different things they needed to try to diagnose it and what they could do to fix it. It did involve me taking the car back to use for a few miles to help them trace it but they got it sorted without needing to remove the engine which was the initial fear.
This year's service I was told I would need new rear discs and pads fairly shortly. Again I chatted to the tech and said I intended on doing them myself, so he printed out the TOPIX pages for me showing how to release the electric handbrake and the minimum thickness of the discs and pads so I could get the most life out of them. Couldn't really fault them on either front!
Other than the above, I've had a completely reliable jag sports car and x2 good main dealer experiences...go figure!
I went to a specialist a while back for some work doing.
Said it would be a week, ended up being 7 iirc.
Side windows covered in metal shards from where someone's been grinding next to it.
Two bolts holding the hardtop on have been cross threaded and have broken the nuts off from within, so now the bolts can't be removed, basically rendering the hardtop as scrap.
I do as much as I can myself, I really should learn to weld and paint too...
Said it would be a week, ended up being 7 iirc.
Side windows covered in metal shards from where someone's been grinding next to it.
Two bolts holding the hardtop on have been cross threaded and have broken the nuts off from within, so now the bolts can't be removed, basically rendering the hardtop as scrap.
I do as much as I can myself, I really should learn to weld and paint too...
My regular mechanic was on holiday when my transit dropside developed a knackered and massively noisy wheel bearing.
I asked on Facebook for some recommendations, a few people said the same thing, so took the truck over to him.
Agreed to do the wheel bearing, and I asked him to give it a full service too as it was only about 800miles off being due. So all filters, oil, and also a general check over of the brakes.
Collected the truck, paid the bill (which wasn’t on the cheap side).
The following week I had a spare day, so thought I’d give the truck a good clean and polish, lifted the bonnet and couldn’t help but notice that the cabin filter haven’t been changed, no big deal cos they’re pence, but couldn’t help but check the other filters.
Whipped off the air box cover to find a dirty air filter, fuel filter clearly hadn’t been changed, nor the oil filter. All work which I had been charged for, so off I popped to the garage in question and asked what they classed as a full service. The chap listed everything on the invoice, which I then presented and asked why it hadn’t been done. He was adamant that the work had been done and what I was seeing was just road grime accumulation from the 300odd miles covered since. After asking to see the sales order for the parts, which he produced which only showed the wheel bearing being delivered, he admitted that the work haven’t been carried out, but offered to do it after all.. no thank you.
I asked on Facebook for some recommendations, a few people said the same thing, so took the truck over to him.
Agreed to do the wheel bearing, and I asked him to give it a full service too as it was only about 800miles off being due. So all filters, oil, and also a general check over of the brakes.
Collected the truck, paid the bill (which wasn’t on the cheap side).
The following week I had a spare day, so thought I’d give the truck a good clean and polish, lifted the bonnet and couldn’t help but notice that the cabin filter haven’t been changed, no big deal cos they’re pence, but couldn’t help but check the other filters.
Whipped off the air box cover to find a dirty air filter, fuel filter clearly hadn’t been changed, nor the oil filter. All work which I had been charged for, so off I popped to the garage in question and asked what they classed as a full service. The chap listed everything on the invoice, which I then presented and asked why it hadn’t been done. He was adamant that the work had been done and what I was seeing was just road grime accumulation from the 300odd miles covered since. After asking to see the sales order for the parts, which he produced which only showed the wheel bearing being delivered, he admitted that the work haven’t been carried out, but offered to do it after all.. no thank you.
RogerDodger said:
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A local garage in Taunton.
Take all my cars in for MOTs. If it's quickly fixable they let me use the ramps and get things sorted for the retest. Preferable to them as they are booked solid and don't have much time.
Take ca in with minor problems. They inspect and test drive, explain what needs doing, if at all, how much ? " Ahh don't worry". That's happened several times. They have also offered to lend me air tools to get the job done (CV boot puller etc). Often explain what parts and what needs doing so I can do it.
Labour is £65+ vat when they do work.
When a job is too big or unfamiliar to them they recommend specialists to see.
Not a grubby spanner den either. Clean modern garage. Booked with MOTs all the time.
Used after my recommendation by other half, sister, mates. All have the same experience (without the home mech DIY!).
Good honest helpful garage who understand it's best not to rip people off, and that they make more money putting cars through fast than having cars sitting in ramps for days on end.
I am Taunton based, any chance of their name? Always good to have a friendly good garage near by when I don't get the time to fix stuff myself. A local garage in Taunton.
Take all my cars in for MOTs. If it's quickly fixable they let me use the ramps and get things sorted for the retest. Preferable to them as they are booked solid and don't have much time.
Take ca in with minor problems. They inspect and test drive, explain what needs doing, if at all, how much ? " Ahh don't worry". That's happened several times. They have also offered to lend me air tools to get the job done (CV boot puller etc). Often explain what parts and what needs doing so I can do it.
Labour is £65+ vat when they do work.
When a job is too big or unfamiliar to them they recommend specialists to see.
Not a grubby spanner den either. Clean modern garage. Booked with MOTs all the time.
Used after my recommendation by other half, sister, mates. All have the same experience (without the home mech DIY!).
Good honest helpful garage who understand it's best not to rip people off, and that they make more money putting cars through fast than having cars sitting in ramps for days on end.
I will never go down to less than 2 cars (have 5 currently!) so I am never at the ransom of a garage. I had my fingers burnt whilst I was an apprentice by an incompetent garage that caused me significant financial worries. Being an engineer by trade I think I do a better job than most garages anyway and I can afford the car to be off the road for a while whilst diagnosing or collecting parts.
This mean I tend to have old bangers, but my "OCD" wouldn't cope very well with a brand new car anyway!
I never hear any good stories from others who use garages and even the ones who don't moan just accept a £500 bill for an MOT and service!
This mean I tend to have old bangers, but my "OCD" wouldn't cope very well with a brand new car anyway!
I never hear any good stories from others who use garages and even the ones who don't moan just accept a £500 bill for an MOT and service!
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