RE: Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet | Driven

RE: Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet | Driven

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timrud

202 posts

122 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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Did you mean to post that in the bad parking thread?

WJNB

2,162 posts

110 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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Apart from looking good on a gravel drive & the feeling of superiority because you have spent loads of money why would anyone buy a 911 over a Boxster? Try try & try as I might I cannot fathom. Very few have the 'real' rather than imagined skills to detect enough difference to make the excess expenditure worth while.
Blobby backside does nothing for it's looks, the front could be a Boxster so the only way to look at it is from the side. Wow!! that's certainly worth £90k +.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

23,901 posts

161 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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WJNB said:
Apart from looking good on a gravel drive & the feeling of superiority because you have spent loads of money why would anyone buy a 911 over a Boxster? Try try & try as I might I cannot fathom. Very few have the 'real' rather than imagined skills to detect enough difference to make the excess expenditure worth while.
Blobby backside does nothing for it's looks, the front could be a Boxster so the only way to look at it is from the side. Wow!! that's certainly worth £90k +.
Erm, rear seats for starters? Nicer engine cylinder count, nicer interior, more straight line performance (yes, I'm sure everyone on here will say straight line performance means nothing, but many people do enjoy it, myself included). Looks. Some people may prefer the 911 styling. Plenty of reasons, and no real need to try that hard to fathom what those reasons are IMO.

NGK210

764 posts

94 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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timrud said:
Did you mean to post that in the bad parking thread?
The N/S is not over the line and he’s maximised space for the driver’s door to open without dinging the adjacent car’s door/side panel - I’d call that “considerate parking” smile

Bobtherallyfan

230 posts

27 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
WJNB said:
Apart from looking good on a gravel drive & the feeling of superiority because you have spent loads of money why would anyone buy a 911 over a Boxster? Try try & try as I might I cannot fathom. Very few have the 'real' rather than imagined skills to detect enough difference to make the excess expenditure worth while.
Blobby backside does nothing for it's looks, the front could be a Boxster so the only way to look at it is from the side. Wow!! that's certainly worth £90k +.
Erm, rear seats for starters? Nicer engine cylinder count, nicer interior, more straight line performance (yes, I'm sure everyone on here will say straight line performance means nothing, but many people do enjoy it, myself included). Looks. Some people may prefer the 911 styling. Plenty of reasons, and no real need to try that hard to fathom what those reasons are IMO.
But apart from the fact that a 911 looks better on the drive, gives a feeling of superiority, has room for kids, is much quicker, sounds much better, has a nicer interior and a motorsport heritage going back forty or more years, I can’t fathom out why I bought one and not a Boxster.

ate one too

1,736 posts

95 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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NGK210 said:
timrud said:
Did you mean to post that in the bad parking thread?
The N/S is not over the line and he’s maximised space for the driver’s door to open without dinging the adjacent car’s door/side panel - I’d call that “considerate parking” smile
... until the passenger in the Fiesta dings the 911's n/s door due to its close proximity. smile

TyrannosauRoss Lex

23,901 posts

161 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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Bobtherallyfan said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
WJNB said:
Apart from looking good on a gravel drive & the feeling of superiority because you have spent loads of money why would anyone buy a 911 over a Boxster? Try try & try as I might I cannot fathom. Very few have the 'real' rather than imagined skills to detect enough difference to make the excess expenditure worth while.
Blobby backside does nothing for it's looks, the front could be a Boxster so the only way to look at it is from the side. Wow!! that's certainly worth £90k +.
Erm, rear seats for starters? Nicer engine cylinder count, nicer interior, more straight line performance (yes, I'm sure everyone on here will say straight line performance means nothing, but many people do enjoy it, myself included). Looks. Some people may prefer the 911 styling. Plenty of reasons, and no real need to try that hard to fathom what those reasons are IMO.
But apart from the fact that a 911 looks better on the drive, gives a feeling of superiority, has room for kids, is much quicker, sounds much better, has a nicer interior and a motorsport heritage going back forty or more years, I can’t fathom out why I bought one and not a Boxster.
hehe

NGK210

764 posts

94 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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ate one too said:
NGK210 said:
timrud said:
Did you mean to post that in the bad parking thread?
The N/S is not over the line and he’s maximised space for the driver’s door to open without dinging the adjacent car’s door/side panel - I’d call that “considerate parking” smile
... until the passenger in the Fiesta dings the 911's n/s door due to its close proximity. smile
Surely, the considerate and practical Fiesta driver angel would drive forward a few feet, stop, and then the passenger would open their door?
Love, peace and unrealistic parking etiquette to all hippy

Carl_Manchester

5,679 posts

211 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Bobtherallyfan said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
WJNB said:
Apart from looking good on a gravel drive & the feeling of superiority because you have spent loads of money why would anyone buy a 911 over a Boxster? Try try & try as I might I cannot fathom. Very few have the 'real' rather than imagined skills to detect enough difference to make the excess expenditure worth while.
Blobby backside does nothing for it's looks, the front could be a Boxster so the only way to look at it is from the side. Wow!! that's certainly worth £90k +.
Erm, rear seats for starters? Nicer engine cylinder count, nicer interior, more straight line performance (yes, I'm sure everyone on here will say straight line performance means nothing, but many people do enjoy it, myself included). Looks. Some people may prefer the 911 styling. Plenty of reasons, and no real need to try that hard to fathom what those reasons are IMO.
But apart from the fact that a 911 looks better on the drive, gives a feeling of superiority, has room for kids, is much quicker, sounds much better, has a nicer interior and a motorsport heritage going back forty or more years, I can’t fathom out why I bought one and not a Boxster.
hehe
Specifically for the 992 4S Cab from new, I would not be buying one for the performance, it is not that type of car. For the price gap with the Boxster S I would want to drive something that does not look it has been beaten with the ugly pan so hard that the handle has come off. The price gap between the two cars has also widened somewhat. It is a bitter pill, i am not sure i could do it.

911 4S Cab = approx £118k specced.
Boxster S = is approx £65k specced.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but somehow Porsche managed to get the 992 Coupe right but totally fail on the cabriolet rear end design and its the damned particulate filter that did the damage. The design team were unable to work around it.

Midgster

389 posts

183 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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ATM said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
ATM said:
The discussion on size is a flimsy excuse to post this picture but F it. Also that's not a focus it's a fiesta.

The picture is incredibly misleading. A 996 is over a foot longer than a new Fiesta and it is also wider. So basically, you've posted a picture of a newer car with a smaller footprint and compared it to a larger older car.
It's wasnt meant to mislead. I just took a picture of my car parked. It certainly looks like the fiesta is bigger to me.
Whatever you do, don't post that picture on Facebook, you'll be ripped to shreds about your piss poor parking rofl

Autonomy

2,428 posts

47 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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NGK210 said:
What is the point in owning the convertible version of a car if it’s uglier than its hardtop sibling?
Overhangs front and rear are too long, so the wheelbase seems disproportionately short and the wheels too large.
But if you want a fugly car that resembles a four-wheeled dung beetle, fill yer Lobbs. (Apologies to all dung beetles.)

Edited by NGK210 on Saturday 30th November 18:13
Nobody buys a 911 for its looks.. and if they do its because it looks like a 911! It's one of the few cars that isn't styled for the sake of it, it just follows the set template from the past decades with modern touches. Its moronic to think the shape will somehow change with each new one, it's those same people who say the new Audi A8 looks like an A4...clue..its supposed to!

The cab is just another variant it's easy to produce along with the targa.

ATM

10,351 posts

168 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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I'd buy a modern Targa just to see the roof going up and down. If anyone has not seen it then you need to watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-C1NKNBAhs

Leithen

5,865 posts

216 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2019
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Obviously a biased opinion, but I'm failing to find any weaknesses in the Coupe.

Perhaps the criticism is that it is too good? I suspect that as the model ages, the breadth of ability of all the standard and "s" 992s will become more appreciated.

EC2

1,013 posts

202 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2019
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Carl_Manchester said:
Specifically for the 992 4S Cab from new, I would not be buying one for the performance, it is not that type of car. For the price gap with the Boxster S I would want to drive something that does not look it has been beaten with the ugly pan so hard that the handle has come off. The price gap between the two cars has also widened somewhat. It is a bitter pill, i am not sure i could do it.

911 4S Cab = approx £118k specced.
Boxster S = is approx £65k specced.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but somehow Porsche managed to get the 992 Coupe right but totally fail on the cabriolet rear end design and its the damned particulate filter that did the damage. The design team were unable to work around it.
Very few performance cars offer VFM at new prices these days. Personally I think £65k for a Boxster S is more out of line than £118k for the 911. I've owned a Boxster S and they are nice cars but vastly over rated IMHO. The sweet sport of the 911 range has to be a low spec 911 coupe at c£85k, now that is VFM. Remember if you just want point and shoot action then an A45AMG/RS3 etc will destroy most things.

thelostboy

3,720 posts

174 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2019
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There really are some strange people on here, unable to get over an opinion that differs from their own.

The Boxster comparison is particularly daft when this thread is about a four wheel drive 911 - not something you can opt for in the Boxster range.

What is a shame is the lack of noise though. Driving a convertible is great; it really adds to the experience. For me, that requires a spine tingling exhaust note, and sadly the 991 doesn't deliver on that.

On the plus side, this is a car that offers previous gen 911 Turbo performance for far less money. If you only need occasional rear seats, this car ticks a lot of boxes. Me personally? I'd go for a 991.1 GTS - last of the NA and the only thing it's really missing from a 992 is Carplay, which I can live without.

ATM

10,351 posts

168 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2019
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I have a 1998 Carrera 996 C2 and a 2012 Boxster 981 S so can give a comparison of these but nowadays most people dont seem to be interested in how a car makes you feel as its moving you as in driving but rather how it makes you feel knowing you own it, look at it, be seen in it etc. I cant imagine people buy a modern 911 because of the feedback but maybe I am wrong.

Back to actual driving experiences I like the modern Boxster because it is a good package. It makes a good noise and everything works well. It doesn't really give me much feedback and therefore feels a bit numb. If you had never driven an older Porsche you wouldn't be aware of this and I'm no serious expert as the oldest Porsche I have driven is the one I own. Sure the acceleration and deceleration forces in the modern car I feel and the cornering forces impress me but there is less tactile feel to the steering and brakes. The PDK box is impressive in the way it goes about its business as I just sit there watching.

The almost 22 year old 996 by comparison fizzes with sensory feedback. Mine has rock hard track biased suspension so I dont know how much this adds to the experience or changes it as I've never driven another 996. I can enjoy the feeling of driving the 996 a lot slower the 981. To get thrills from the 981 I need to either be attacking it or just enjoying the general feeling of top down driving while people look at me thinking about hair dresser metaphors. The 996 has a rubbish seat and driving position and if I drive it any distance I get uncomfortable. I'd find it difficult choosing one as an outright winner but at the moment I am favouring the 996 and thats probably why I have not really got motivated enough to get the Boxster fixed since I smashed it up.