Subaru vs bike head on collision.
Discussion
janesmith1950 said:
If you watch the rear view camera towards the end of the corner, there's a little shimmy. Was the rear a bit loose or was that reflex movement as the driver becomes aware of the impending collision?
If you listen on the front view, I think it's the point where his brakes lock up.Mastodon2 said:
That wasn't "Subaru washout" or "4WD understeer", it was purely bad driving. To try and excuse it as anything else is just making excuses.
On a "run", driving beyond his capabilities, not reading the road, panicking and running wide.
And then stupidly and ignorantly thinking that he can recover it instead of accepting that it was a ‘crash’ and steering right to avoid the innocent oncoming cyclist. On a "run", driving beyond his capabilities, not reading the road, panicking and running wide.
I've seen a lot of these car/bike runouts where everyone's driving too fast on unfamiliar roads or taking stupid risks to pass slower moving traffic. I won't tar everyone with the same brush but we get loads of groups passing through the Welsh Borders and some of the driving/riding I've seen is dreadful.
That corner in the video is one of those nasty little ones which throw you on to the wrong side of the road if you're not prepared for it.
That corner in the video is one of those nasty little ones which throw you on to the wrong side of the road if you're not prepared for it.
Hungrymc said:
Arriving at a corner too fast...... very bad mistake
How the f**k do you then chose to take a bike out head on, instead of throwing your car onto the verge?
Is 60-65 too fast on that corner ?....it seems so but I still wonder how a "sporty car" can wash out that badly.How the f**k do you then chose to take a bike out head on, instead of throwing your car onto the verge?
Can the Subaru owners please tell ?
Edited by Dont like rolls on Saturday 11th January 10:22
Hungrymc said:
How the f**k do you then chose to take a bike out head on, instead of throwing your car onto the verge?
Because your brain goes into panic mode, it is quite a difficult thing mentally to deliberate drive off the road, especially at a split seconds notice. One problem with a lot of drivers is that they have developed bad habits, like braking in corners or not changing down a gear or two. I think this driver was going too fast, in too high a gear and braked too hard or too late going into the corner which caused him to end up on the wrong side of the road. Mr Tidy said:
And/or some terminal understeer from the Subaru muppet (where is ericmcn)?
I'm just glad the biker survived and I hope he makes a good recovery - but it does put me off getting a bike.
As someone who's been on the end of a heavy crash (driver looking at his iDrive) & spending 7 months in hospital I was back on my bike within a week of being given the all clear, not because I'm a tough guy but just because stuff happens & you could sustain heavy injuries by just walking down the road.I'm just glad the biker survived and I hope he makes a good recovery - but it does put me off getting a bike.
If you had a bad crash in your car would you stop driving?
warch said:
Hungrymc said:
How the f**k do you then chose to take a bike out head on, instead of throwing your car onto the verge?
Because your brain goes into panic mode, it is quite a difficult thing mentally to deliberate drive off the road, especially at a split seconds notice. One problem with a lot of drivers is that they have developed bad habits, like braking in corners or not changing down a gear or two. I think this driver was going too fast, in too high a gear and braked too hard or too late going into the corner which caused him to end up on the wrong side of the road. Hopefully everyone here (and on the roads) is in the former group. Sadly, it appears, most are not.
If you think that I am wrong, then know that I think that you should take the bus.
rallycross said:
For all those who go out in convoy for a blast just keep this accident in the back of your mind one slip up where you push too hard and run wide could kill someone, save it for the track.
Push too hard 
have you watched the video ?The opposite is true in this case - he was pootling along and clearly not paying attention.
Had he been going faster and concentrating on driving he could have made the turn or thrown it off the road if he didn't.
I have to say the Subaru driver was driving steadily he just underestimated the corner, it looks like the biker saw that he was going to understeer hence the reason as he comes into view he's already hard on the anchors (rear wheel off the ground)) the biker was in the wrong place at the wrong the car driver made a mistake which I'm pretty sure is giving him nightmares.
ZX10R NIN said:
the car driver made a mistake which I'm pretty sure is giving him nightmares.
Which isn't much conciliation to the biker with live changing injuries.I'm not sure what the point of an 8 month sentence is, it was a mistake that many have made and got away with, but the consequences were horrific.
Personally I'd see a lifetime ban as more appropriate.
My brother was killed by an idiot in an Impreza - he got 4 yrs (out in 2) not much for depriving my / his family of a son / brother / father
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