Subaru vs bike head on collision.

Subaru vs bike head on collision.

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janesmith1950

8,448 posts

53 months

Saturday 11th January
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If you watch the rear view camera towards the end of the corner, there's a little shimmy. Was the rear a bit loose or was that reflex movement as the driver becomes aware of the impending collision?

Equus

9,438 posts

59 months

Saturday 11th January
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janesmith1950 said:
If you watch the rear view camera towards the end of the corner, there's a little shimmy. Was the rear a bit loose or was that reflex movement as the driver becomes aware of the impending collision?
If you listen on the front view, I think it's the point where his brakes lock up.

Byker28i

28,392 posts

175 months

Saturday 11th January
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driver fixation? Poor biker, not a lot he could do there

Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

12 months

Saturday 11th January
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Freeze Frame it at o:13

Look at the verge..............comments

janesmith1950

8,448 posts

53 months

Saturday 11th January
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Equus said:
If you listen on the front view, I think it's the point where his brakes lock up.
Ah, haven't watched with sound.

GC8

19,225 posts

148 months

Saturday 11th January
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Mastodon2 said:
That wasn't "Subaru washout" or "4WD understeer", it was purely bad driving. To try and excuse it as anything else is just making excuses.

On a "run", driving beyond his capabilities, not reading the road, panicking and running wide.
And then stupidly and ignorantly thinking that he can recover it instead of accepting that it was a ‘crash’ and steering right to avoid the innocent oncoming cyclist.


GC8

19,225 posts

148 months

Saturday 11th January
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SIDC? WTF? It isn’t 2000, it’s 2020.

DocJock

6,641 posts

198 months

Saturday 11th January
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It's still staggering on (with a rebrand) sidc.co.uk

100

410 posts

34 months

Saturday 11th January
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Awlful to watch

Baldchap

3,312 posts

50 months

Saturday 11th January
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As a biker, I find it astonishing (and occasionally terrifying) just how often cars end up on the wrong side of the road on blind crests and bends.

It does make me consider whether to hang up my leathers, sometimes.

warch

2,282 posts

112 months

Saturday 11th January
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I've seen a lot of these car/bike runouts where everyone's driving too fast on unfamiliar roads or taking stupid risks to pass slower moving traffic. I won't tar everyone with the same brush but we get loads of groups passing through the Welsh Borders and some of the driving/riding I've seen is dreadful.

That corner in the video is one of those nasty little ones which throw you on to the wrong side of the road if you're not prepared for it.

Hungrymc

4,759 posts

95 months

Saturday 11th January
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Arriving at a corner too fast...... very bad mistake

How the f**k do you then chose to take a bike out head on, instead of throwing your car onto the verge?

Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

12 months

Saturday 11th January
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Hungrymc said:
Arriving at a corner too fast...... very bad mistake

How the f**k do you then chose to take a bike out head on, instead of throwing your car onto the verge?
Is 60-65 too fast on that corner ?....it seems so but I still wonder how a "sporty car" can wash out that badly.

Can the Subaru owners please tell ?


Edited by Dont like rolls on Saturday 11th January 10:22

warch

2,282 posts

112 months

Saturday 11th January
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Hungrymc said:
How the f**k do you then chose to take a bike out head on, instead of throwing your car onto the verge?
Because your brain goes into panic mode, it is quite a difficult thing mentally to deliberate drive off the road, especially at a split seconds notice. One problem with a lot of drivers is that they have developed bad habits, like braking in corners or not changing down a gear or two. I think this driver was going too fast, in too high a gear and braked too hard or too late going into the corner which caused him to end up on the wrong side of the road.



ZX10R NIN

18,960 posts

83 months

Saturday 11th January
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Mr Tidy said:
And/or some terminal understeer from the Subaru muppet (where is ericmcn)?

I'm just glad the biker survived and I hope he makes a good recovery - but it does put me off getting a bike. frown
As someone who's been on the end of a heavy crash (driver looking at his iDrive) & spending 7 months in hospital I was back on my bike within a week of being given the all clear, not because I'm a tough guy but just because stuff happens & you could sustain heavy injuries by just walking down the road.

If you had a bad crash in your car would you stop driving?

GC8

19,225 posts

148 months

Saturday 11th January
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warch said:
Hungrymc said:
How the f**k do you then chose to take a bike out head on, instead of throwing your car onto the verge?
Because your brain goes into panic mode, it is quite a difficult thing mentally to deliberate drive off the road, especially at a split seconds notice. One problem with a lot of drivers is that they have developed bad habits, like braking in corners or not changing down a gear or two. I think this driver was going too fast, in too high a gear and braked too hard or too late going into the corner which caused him to end up on the wrong side of the road.

I think that we can be divided into two groups when watching the video: those who immediately think ‘steer right!’, and those who think ‘what? what?’

Hopefully everyone here (and on the roads) is in the former group. Sadly, it appears, most are not.

If you think that I am wrong, then know that I think that you should take the bus.

V8RX7

20,643 posts

221 months

Saturday 11th January
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rallycross said:
For all those who go out in convoy for a blast just keep this accident in the back of your mind one slip up where you push too hard and run wide could kill someone, save it for the track.
Push too hard laugh have you watched the video ?

The opposite is true in this case - he was pootling along and clearly not paying attention.

Had he been going faster and concentrating on driving he could have made the turn or thrown it off the road if he didn't.


ZX10R NIN

18,960 posts

83 months

Saturday 11th January
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I have to say the Subaru driver was driving steadily he just underestimated the corner, it looks like the biker saw that he was going to understeer hence the reason as he comes into view he's already hard on the anchors (rear wheel off the ground)) the biker was in the wrong place at the wrong the car driver made a mistake which I'm pretty sure is giving him nightmares.

V8RX7

20,643 posts

221 months

Saturday 11th January
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ZX10R NIN said:
the car driver made a mistake which I'm pretty sure is giving him nightmares.
Which isn't much conciliation to the biker with live changing injuries.

I'm not sure what the point of an 8 month sentence is, it was a mistake that many have made and got away with, but the consequences were horrific.

Personally I'd see a lifetime ban as more appropriate.

My brother was killed by an idiot in an Impreza - he got 4 yrs (out in 2) not much for depriving my / his family of a son / brother / father

Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

12 months

Saturday 11th January
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6 months working as a ward assistant (sluice room duties) at his local specialist Orthopaedic/Spinal unit would make more impact on the Driver than a few months in jail, it would change him forever.