Subaru vs bike head on collision.

Subaru vs bike head on collision.

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ZX10R NIN

17,555 posts

79 months

Saturday 11th January
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V8RX7 said:
The guy behind him managed to get around just fine.

Look at the speeds - IIRC max 66mph

He wasn't concentrating / playing with his phone etc
Have to agree the driver made a mistake I think he underestimated the corner & then got target fixation which meant he hit the biker.

Having looked at it again he defiantly underestimated the corner speed wasn't the issue just a lack of reading the road ahead.

f1nn

2,558 posts

146 months

Saturday 11th January
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Unfortunately this is simply a case of driving without due care and attention.

Nothing to do with the car, the result would have been the same if it has been a Fiesta or a Lamborghini.

The driver wasn’t paying attention and panicked.

The biker was could have done nothing more, max braking effort, no where to go. I wish him as full a recovery as possible.

This brought back memories of an incident that is had back in 2010. I just picked up a new ZX6R and was on a country road (Whitby to Guisborough, any one local to that area will know exactly where it mean) and started to overtake a line of traffic.

I’d added far too much speed in the overtake and just as I was clearing the last few cars an Impreza decided to overtake the dawdling Micra in front and either not checked his mirrors or not seen me if he had...big handful of front brake, rear wheel up in the air like in the video on the first page but luckily got away with it that day.

learned a lesson that day.

popeyewhite

12,032 posts

74 months

Saturday 11th January
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Olivera said:
popeyewhite said:
I don't see any understeer? The driver simply turns late.
So what's the very audible squeeling at 8-9 seconds in the OPs video?
The Subaru is already on the wrong side of the road before the noise you've described as 'squeeling' [sic].

JulianHJ

8,259 posts

216 months

Saturday 11th January
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rallycross said:
For all those who go out in convoy for a blast just keep this accident in the back of your mind one slip up where you push too hard and run wide could kill someone, save it for the track.
This incident seems very similar to 10PenceShort's experience by the look of it.

ZX10R NIN

17,555 posts

79 months

Saturday 11th January
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JulianHJ said:
rallycross said:
For all those who go out in convoy for a blast just keep this accident in the back of your mind one slip up where you push too hard and run wide could kill someone, save it for the track.
This incident seems very similar to 10PenceShort's experience by the look of it.
The driver wasn't pushing hard he wasn't even speeding, he didn't read the road correctly end of.

g3org3y

15,010 posts

145 months

Saturday 11th January
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ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is.
rolleyes Don't be a ffs.


Thesprucegoose said:
The thing is this guy was a car enthusiast, he did track days, some organised from here, yet he lacks talent etc.

It was probably just a simple mistake which happens to even the most competent driver, and I would say being a car enthusiast can mean more likely to crash due to pushing the limits of the car and ablity.
I think you're right. He wasn't exactly nailing it into the corner, it seems he just misjudged things. Unfortunately a biker was coming the other way at the time. frown What's the sound at 8-9 secs? Is that the brakes locking up for a sec?

I've seen much worse driving on various YouTube linked videos. This one through circumstance has ended up with very sad consequences.

Max_Torque said:
In reality, in sudden unexpected situations such as in this incident, very, very few people will be able to take definitive objective action. 99.99% of people will just drive straight into the thing in their way, no matter what anyone might think before or after the event!
Agreed. frown

Olivera

3,891 posts

193 months

Saturday 11th January
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popeyewhite said:
The Subaru is already on the wrong side of the road before the noise you've described as 'squeeling' [sic].
The sound is consistent with the noise of a tyre understeering. The only other possible explanation is he locked the brakes, but I don't see how that is possible given the car should have ABS.

popeyewhite

12,032 posts

74 months

Saturday 11th January
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Olivera said:
The sound is consistent with the noise of a tyre understeering.
The sound is consistent with rubber sliding on tarmac/gravel, understeer is not the only possible cause of that. Anyway, the noise occurs after the car has crossed the road.

Debaser

3,547 posts

215 months

Saturday 11th January
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rxe said:
Honestly, I think most of us would do precisely what he did - mash the brakes and freeze.

What I don’t understand is how he ended up on the wrong side of the road - it doesn’t look fast, he didn’t lose the car, there’s no howling tyres, he just drove onto the wrong side of the road and stayed there.
Looks like poor driving to me.

You'd be amazed how many drivers don't know where the limits are. They'll corner or brake fairly hard (approx. 0.6-0.8g) convinced they're at the limit of what the car can do.

STe_rsv4

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411 posts

52 months

Saturday 11th January
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ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is. Subarus have awesome handling and control but its all down to the driver at the end of the day as its he or she who is at the wheel and like any car they crash if driven badly

hopefully that biker will recover

Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...

Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
I watched that 1st video and he was constantly crossing the centreline on that road.
Terrible understeer on the subaru wink

Debaser

3,547 posts

215 months

Saturday 11th January
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ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this
Weird

hucumber

742 posts

51 months

Saturday 11th January
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Debaser said:
ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this
Weird
Yes, he is

Captain_Chaos

99 posts

45 months

Saturday 11th January
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Debaser said:
Looks like poor driving to me.

You'd be amazed how many drivers don't know where the limits are. They'll corner or brake fairly hard (approx. 0.6-0.8g) convinced they're at the limit of what the car can do.
I wouldn't mind betting that 0.8g of cornering force meets or exceeds what the majority of cars are capable of.

jsf

16,656 posts

190 months

Saturday 11th January
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Driver wasn't paying attention and didn't react to the corner until too late, basically either asleep at the wheel or looking at something else for too long. The car has nothing to do with it, simply undue care and attention with consequences unfortunately.

Although slightly over the legal speed limit (66 in a 60), that car was not being driven any other way than a steady cruise, it certainly wasnt being ragged.

Hopefully the biker makes a full recovery and the driver can rebuild their life following an error of judgement that was not deliberate, based on that footage.

V8RX7

19,780 posts

217 months

Saturday 11th January
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jsf said:
Hopefully the biker makes a full recovery.
"live changing injuries" and "broken back" suggest otherwise

frown

jsf

16,656 posts

190 months

Saturday 11th January
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V8RX7 said:
jsf said:
Hopefully the biker makes a full recovery.
"live changing injuries" and "broken back" suggest otherwise

frown
That's very unfortunate, hopefully the biker can still have a good quality of life.

Thesprucegoose

22,439 posts

149 months

Saturday 11th January
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hucumber said:
Yes, he is
Clearly has issues, using a situation where someone is pretty much fked for life, to talk his usual nonsense.A very Sad man indeed.

768

6,560 posts

50 months

Saturday 11th January
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Jasey_ said:
That looks like you could take it at 90 without drifting across. Maybe not if you are updating you status on your phone.
I thought similar. Can't see that it's the car at all.

Krikkit

18,288 posts

135 months

Saturday 11th January
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HairyMaclary said:
This thread is 10PenceShort all over again. What ever happened to him?

That story sticks in my mind and used to think that that could happen to any of us. Then I realised that I don't drive like a total bellend.

As a rider this is exactly the thing that scares the life out of me. Fair enough if my own stupidity gets me hurt but someone else's decision. No ta.

8 months doesn't seem enough.
I still think about 10penceshort's cautionary tale on a regular basis - often when I'm out driving/riding in fact.

As a biker I've grown to accept the risks of something like this happening to me... All you can do is minimise your risks, buy the best gear and hope. Ultimately it's worth it for me, but anyone giving up road riding as a consequence of something like this has my respect.

SlimJim16v

2,766 posts

97 months

Saturday 11th January
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Max_Torque said:
In reality, in sudden unexpected situations such as in this incident, very, very few people will be able to take definitive objective action. 99.99% of people will just drive straight into the thing in their way, no matter what anyone might think before or after the event!
I don’t agree, he panicked and just hit the brakes. I'm sure a lot more than 0.01% of people would've somehow tried to steer either left or right to avoid hitting him.