Subaru vs bike head on collision.
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Unfortunately this is simply a case of driving without due care and attention.
Nothing to do with the car, the result would have been the same if it has been a Fiesta or a Lamborghini.
The driver wasn’t paying attention and panicked.
The biker was could have done nothing more, max braking effort, no where to go. I wish him as full a recovery as possible.
This brought back memories of an incident that is had back in 2010. I just picked up a new ZX6R and was on a country road (Whitby to Guisborough, any one local to that area will know exactly where it mean) and started to overtake a line of traffic.
I’d added far too much speed in the overtake and just as I was clearing the last few cars an Impreza decided to overtake the dawdling Micra in front and either not checked his mirrors or not seen me if he had...big handful of front brake, rear wheel up in the air like in the video on the first page but luckily got away with it that day.
learned a lesson that day.
Nothing to do with the car, the result would have been the same if it has been a Fiesta or a Lamborghini.
The driver wasn’t paying attention and panicked.
The biker was could have done nothing more, max braking effort, no where to go. I wish him as full a recovery as possible.
This brought back memories of an incident that is had back in 2010. I just picked up a new ZX6R and was on a country road (Whitby to Guisborough, any one local to that area will know exactly where it mean) and started to overtake a line of traffic.
I’d added far too much speed in the overtake and just as I was clearing the last few cars an Impreza decided to overtake the dawdling Micra in front and either not checked his mirrors or not seen me if he had...big handful of front brake, rear wheel up in the air like in the video on the first page but luckily got away with it that day.
learned a lesson that day.
rallycross said:
For all those who go out in convoy for a blast just keep this accident in the back of your mind one slip up where you push too hard and run wide could kill someone, save it for the track.
This incident seems very similar to 10PenceShort's experience by the look of it.JulianHJ said:
rallycross said:
For all those who go out in convoy for a blast just keep this accident in the back of your mind one slip up where you push too hard and run wide could kill someone, save it for the track.
This incident seems very similar to 10PenceShort's experience by the look of it.ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is.
Don't be a 
ffs.Thesprucegoose said:
The thing is this guy was a car enthusiast, he did track days, some organised from here, yet he lacks talent etc.
It was probably just a simple mistake which happens to even the most competent driver, and I would say being a car enthusiast can mean more likely to crash due to pushing the limits of the car and ablity.
I think you're right. He wasn't exactly nailing it into the corner, it seems he just misjudged things. Unfortunately a biker was coming the other way at the time. It was probably just a simple mistake which happens to even the most competent driver, and I would say being a car enthusiast can mean more likely to crash due to pushing the limits of the car and ablity.
What's the sound at 8-9 secs? Is that the brakes locking up for a sec?I've seen much worse driving on various YouTube linked videos. This one through circumstance has ended up with very sad consequences.
Max_Torque said:
In reality, in sudden unexpected situations such as in this incident, very, very few people will be able to take definitive objective action. 99.99% of people will just drive straight into the thing in their way, no matter what anyone might think before or after the event!
Agreed. popeyewhite said:
The Subaru is already on the wrong side of the road before the noise you've described as 'squeeling' [sic].
The sound is consistent with the noise of a tyre understeering. The only other possible explanation is he locked the brakes, but I don't see how that is possible given the car should have ABS.rxe said:
Honestly, I think most of us would do precisely what he did - mash the brakes and freeze.
What I don’t understand is how he ended up on the wrong side of the road - it doesn’t look fast, he didn’t lose the car, there’s no howling tyres, he just drove onto the wrong side of the road and stayed there.
Looks like poor driving to me.What I don’t understand is how he ended up on the wrong side of the road - it doesn’t look fast, he didn’t lose the car, there’s no howling tyres, he just drove onto the wrong side of the road and stayed there.
You'd be amazed how many drivers don't know where the limits are. They'll corner or brake fairly hard (approx. 0.6-0.8g) convinced they're at the limit of what the car can do.
ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is. Subarus have awesome handling and control but its all down to the driver at the end of the day as its he or she who is at the wheel and like any car they crash if driven badly
hopefully that biker will recover
Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
I watched that 1st video and he was constantly crossing the centreline on that road. hopefully that biker will recover
Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
Terrible understeer on the subaru
Debaser said:
Looks like poor driving to me.
You'd be amazed how many drivers don't know where the limits are. They'll corner or brake fairly hard (approx. 0.6-0.8g) convinced they're at the limit of what the car can do.
I wouldn't mind betting that 0.8g of cornering force meets or exceeds what the majority of cars are capable of. You'd be amazed how many drivers don't know where the limits are. They'll corner or brake fairly hard (approx. 0.6-0.8g) convinced they're at the limit of what the car can do.
Driver wasn't paying attention and didn't react to the corner until too late, basically either asleep at the wheel or looking at something else for too long. The car has nothing to do with it, simply undue care and attention with consequences unfortunately.
Although slightly over the legal speed limit (66 in a 60), that car was not being driven any other way than a steady cruise, it certainly wasnt being ragged.
Hopefully the biker makes a full recovery and the driver can rebuild their life following an error of judgement that was not deliberate, based on that footage.
Although slightly over the legal speed limit (66 in a 60), that car was not being driven any other way than a steady cruise, it certainly wasnt being ragged.
Hopefully the biker makes a full recovery and the driver can rebuild their life following an error of judgement that was not deliberate, based on that footage.
HairyMaclary said:
This thread is 10PenceShort all over again. What ever happened to him?
That story sticks in my mind and used to think that that could happen to any of us. Then I realised that I don't drive like a total bellend.
As a rider this is exactly the thing that scares the life out of me. Fair enough if my own stupidity gets me hurt but someone else's decision. No ta.
8 months doesn't seem enough.
I still think about 10penceshort's cautionary tale on a regular basis - often when I'm out driving/riding in fact.That story sticks in my mind and used to think that that could happen to any of us. Then I realised that I don't drive like a total bellend.
As a rider this is exactly the thing that scares the life out of me. Fair enough if my own stupidity gets me hurt but someone else's decision. No ta.
8 months doesn't seem enough.
As a biker I've grown to accept the risks of something like this happening to me... All you can do is minimise your risks, buy the best gear and hope. Ultimately it's worth it for me, but anyone giving up road riding as a consequence of something like this has my respect.
Max_Torque said:
In reality, in sudden unexpected situations such as in this incident, very, very few people will be able to take definitive objective action. 99.99% of people will just drive straight into the thing in their way, no matter what anyone might think before or after the event!
I don’t agree, he panicked and just hit the brakes. I'm sure a lot more than 0.01% of people would've somehow tried to steer either left or right to avoid hitting him. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff