Toyota confirms 2.0-litre Supra for Europe

Toyota confirms 2.0-litre Supra for Europe

Wednesday 15th January

Toyota confirms 2.0-litre Supra for Europe

Four-cylinder Euro Supra is 100kg lighter and entering production soon - good news!



Remember the commotion surrounding the Supra launch last year? Course you do, the world had been waiting years for it. But news that did slip under the radar at the time was the confirmation of a four-cylinder model alongside the straight-six Supra, announced for Japan the day after the launch. Expect a lot more attention to be focussed on it now, though, with Toyota now launching the 2.0-litre Supra for Europe.

Available exclusively in 258hp/295lb ft guise - in its home market there's a 197hp variant, too - the four-cylinder Supra sends its power to the road via the same eight-speed auto as the 3.0-litre car. Toyota is claiming the 0-62mph dash takes just 5.2 seconds, with a governed top speed of 155; CO2 is rated between 156 and 172g/km.


Of far more interest than that, however, is another number: 100kg. That's the overall weight saving Toyota is claiming from 3.0-litre to 2.0-litre Supra, which would take it down to 1,395kg at the kerb. An encouraging number when it's considered that a 718 Cayman T is 1,350kg by the same measure, and an F-Type P300 from 1,500kg. Weight distribution is still said to be 50:50, with the engine closer to the centre of the car, said to help create "responsiveness, agility and confidence-inspiring handling." Again, something to be enthused by given the impressive initial showing from the standard car.

The particular four-cylinder Supra seen here is the Fuji Speedway edition, of which just 200 will be made for Europe. Equipped to the hilt with the optional Connect and Sport Packs - the latter notable for introducing sports brakes, adaptive suspension and a locking diff - the colour combination aims to evoke the official Toyota Gazoo motorsport livery.

The Fuji Speedway edition, indeed none of the four-cylinder Supra range, has yet been finalised for the UK, though it's surely only a matter of time before the specs and prices are announced given production starts in March. And it's a fair chunk more powerful than a GT86. For reference a Cayman starts at Β£44,000, the F-Type at Β£52,000. More details as soon as we have them!








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sharkattack

Original Poster:

26 posts

55 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Meh.

Need more YARIS!

TheOrangePeril

395 posts

129 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Toyota engine or BMW?...

Dave Hedgehog

12,070 posts

153 months

Tuesday 14th January
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sharkattack said:
Meh.

Need more YARIS!
i would settle for a Toyota interior

Robmarriott

1,920 posts

107 months

Tuesday 14th January
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TheOrangePeril said:
Toyota engine or BMW?...
BMW B48.

Augustus Windsock

1,876 posts

104 months

Tuesday 14th January
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I like the sound of this, a 2.0 would probably be all I ‘need’ although a 3.0is what I would ‘want’.
And please excuse me, my grey matter isn’t working very well; if the claim is 100kg lighter AND it still has a 50-50 weight distribution with the 2.0 engine being moved closer to the centre of the car, could someone explain how or why it still retains 50-50 as compared to the 3.0? (Sorry, haven’t got my physics head on!)
I’d have pr Sumer that the 2.0is a lighter engine so quite how moving it back in the chassis still maintains that figure escapes me.
Somebody please explain it to me 😜

9k rpm

170 posts

159 months

Tuesday 14th January
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If this is the BMW 2.0 then just a remap alway from 300bhp+

Same engine as in the latest M135i.

Scootersp

1,122 posts

137 months

Tuesday 14th January
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not sure if I'm talking nonsense but could it be different springs so it's more nose down and shifts some of the lower weight forward.

It sound like BS as I'm typing but otherwise I can't see how as you say lower weight and further back won't make a more rear biased weight distribution.

NJ72

167 posts

47 months

Tuesday 14th January
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I mean, I'm all for adding lightness and everything, but if it's over £45k then that's a lot of cash for something putting out 260bhp...

DeanHelix

70 posts

104 months

Tuesday 14th January
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From https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/toyota...

While the 2.0-litre option will now be rolled out across Europe, Autocar understands there are no immediate plans to bring it to the UK, where the GT86 will continue to form the entry point into Toyota’s GR performance range.

snorkel sucker

2,466 posts

152 months

Tuesday 14th January
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If it was circa £30k and had a manual gearbox .. and Toyota decided to release it in the UK, I have little doubt they would make an absolute killing.

As it stands, with an auto 'box and a reasonable amount of power, it will merely sell well.

Opportunity missed.

Kolbenkopp

1,940 posts

100 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Yup, bit of a shame they are sticking to the (otherwise pretty good) ZF8. On the other hand, they might not want to have too much overlap with the GT86?

snorkel sucker

2,466 posts

152 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Kolbenkopp said:
Yup, bit of a shame they are sticking to the (otherwise pretty good) ZF8. On the other hand, they might not want to have too much overlap with the GT86?
True, but with 4 seats the GT86 appeals to a slightly different market.

I still think there would be a market for a 2 seat, manual, reasonably powerful car. Look at how well the Alpine has done.

Bright Halo

886 posts

184 months

Tuesday 14th January
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A 2.0 track day version would be good
280hp or so with diet to loose 150 to 200kg
More focussed suspension set up and of course a manual box

wingzero9988

3 posts

27 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Augustus Windsock said:
I like the sound of this, a 2.0 would probably be all I ‘need’ although a 3.0is what I would ‘want’.
And please excuse me, my grey matter isn’t working very well; if the claim is 100kg lighter AND it still has a 50-50 weight distribution with the 2.0 engine being moved closer to the centre of the car, could someone explain how or why it still retains 50-50 as compared to the 3.0? (Sorry, haven’t got my physics head on!)
I’d have pr Sumer that the 2.0is a lighter engine so quite how moving it back in the chassis still maintains that figure escapes me.
Somebody please explain it to me ??
Well.....the engine has less cylinders so it's not sticking out so much. The rear differential unit can be smaller too.

Black S2K

921 posts

198 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Augustus Windsock said:
I like the sound of this, a 2.0 would probably be all I ‘need’ although a 3.0is what I would ‘want’.
And please excuse me, my grey matter isn’t working very well; if the claim is 100kg lighter AND it still has a 50-50 weight distribution with the 2.0 engine being moved closer to the centre of the car, could someone explain how or why it still retains 50-50 as compared to the 3.0? (Sorry, haven’t got my physics head on!)
I’d have pr Sumer that the 2.0is a lighter engine so quite how moving it back in the chassis still maintains that figure escapes me.
Somebody please explain it to me ??
One would expect the additional two pots (and presumably bigger heat exchangers) to be pressing on the front axle line more than on the rear one, depending on where the engine & transmission mountings are hung.

Perhaps it comes with a smaller fuel tank (& re-located battery?) which helps even up the balance on the official weigh-in and the rest is lost in rounding the numbers?

I agree it does sound a but suspect, even then.



samoht

1,098 posts

95 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Here's a side-on picture of the four-cylinder engine in the Supra engine bay:

it looks almost front-mid engined smile


samoht

1,098 posts

95 months

Tuesday 14th January
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The weights listed in Japan are 1410kg for the base 197hp four-pot SZ, 1450kg for the 258hp four-pot SZ-R, and 1520kg for the six-cylinder RZ. I wouldn't be expecting 1395kg anywhere.
https://toyotagazooracing.com/jp/gr/supra/specs/sp...

The weight balance of the six-pot Supra is 52/48 as weighed here

(also mentioned here https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27456854/2020-t... )

If you assume the 70kg drop from the RZ to the SZ-R is over the front axle, then the four-pot SZ-R would have a true 50-50 weight balance.

mikey P 500

1,112 posts

136 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Hope we do get it. The price of it could be guessed by looking at price gap between the Z4 models with same engines, I would expect it to be about £5k less than the 6 cylinder model. I guess main downside is less people currently tuning the 4 cylinder BMW engine so would take a while for the remap companies to catch up. Maybe this will come to UK when current gt86 reaches its end of life, which must be fairly soon at about 8 years old. Going by Toyota's track record for recent sports cars I think the GR86 replacement will still be a few years away.

chelme

719 posts

119 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Another BMW, in a poorly executed kimono.

smilo996

1,520 posts

119 months

Tuesday 14th January
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If that 100kg is enough to make it a competitor to the Alpine. Doubt that somehow but time will tell.