Toyota confirms 2.0-litre Supra for Europe
Discussion
wab172uk said:
How does a remapped ECU gain you 40kg?
197bhp is a bit poor TBH. They could have given us the 258 version. But, still a great car for those wanting the looks, without the full fat go!
It's not the ECU; the SZ is a stripped-out base model, whereas the SZ-R has nearly all the spec of the top RZ, just with the smaller engine - SZ-R gets the Active Diff, Active suspension, HUD, Leather, electric seats, 12 speaker stereo, and wider wheels/tyres than the SZ.197bhp is a bit poor TBH. They could have given us the 258 version. But, still a great car for those wanting the looks, without the full fat go!
https://toyotagazooracing.com/jp/gr/supra/specs/eq... . Actually impressive that all that kit only adds 40kg!
BTW it is the 258hp version coming to mainland Europe, the 197hp tune is Japan-only according to the article.
ChrisPackit said:
In my opinion, the Supra has always been Toyotas flagship model, much like the NSX and GTR are with Honda and Nissan respectively. Back in the 90's and 00's, the Supra would give both of these a good run for their money and I would imagine many of Toyotas target audience will be those who had or remembered Supras of old. The fact that the modern day version would in no way be even comparable to those two, makes me believe it's missing the mark. If it did cost £85k and was comparable to those mentioned, then in my eyes that would make a worthy successor and one that I would consider buying.
I agree that factually, the new Supra hasn't grown in power like the NSX and GTR have since the 90s, and has stopped competing with those cars. OTOH it is smaller, lighter and cheaper than those cars (the R35 now starts at £82k). My opinion, there are lots of big, heavy, expensive, powerful cars around nowadays, and not enough smaller sports cars. So in contrast to you, I'm more interested in the A90 Supra we have, than I am in the A80 or than I would have been in an £85k V8TT FT-1 that would likely be bigger and heavier. Personal preference though.The Supra would never have existed were it not for the partnership with BMW. Toyota were never going to develop their own I6 from the ground up. We live at a time when even Mercedes-Benz plan to drop their AMG V8 in favour of a blown 4-pot hybrid....a world of downsizing engines. Toyota should be praised, not criticised for pairing up with BMW and sticking a great I6 engine in the car..an engine that’s already been tuned up to 1000bhp if you’re so inclined.
I’m fortunate enough to have driven both a Nissan GTR and Toyota Supra on track. Whilst the Nissan is obviously quicker, at no point in the Toyota did I feel like I was driving a product that was inferior to the Nissan. They obviously do things differently, however they both felt like quality products and the Toyota felt (drive wise) like a Toyota!
My only gripe is that there is too much BMW switchgear going on. I felt the same about the iDrive that Toyota have used. It’s a shame they couldn’t have nicked some Lexus switchgear + infotainment to give it a Japanese interior to match the exterior.
I’m fortunate enough to have driven both a Nissan GTR and Toyota Supra on track. Whilst the Nissan is obviously quicker, at no point in the Toyota did I feel like I was driving a product that was inferior to the Nissan. They obviously do things differently, however they both felt like quality products and the Toyota felt (drive wise) like a Toyota!
My only gripe is that there is too much BMW switchgear going on. I felt the same about the iDrive that Toyota have used. It’s a shame they couldn’t have nicked some Lexus switchgear + infotainment to give it a Japanese interior to match the exterior.
GTiWILL said:
My only gripe is that there is too much BMW switchgear going on. I felt the same about the iDrive that Toyota have used. It’s a shame they couldn’t have nicked some Lexus switchgear + infotainment to give it a Japanese interior to match the exterior.
I agree with this too. I don't mind BMW in terms of their ease of use but I would have preferred a more Japanese interior for sure. I love the exterior but the interior looks almost haphazard to me. snorkel sucker said:
If it was circa £30k and had a manual gearbox .. and Toyota decided to release it in the UK, I have little doubt they would make an absolute killing.
Opportunity missed.
Did you just emerge from a cave and use an autocar magazine from 20 years ago to come up with the £30k as your ideal price?Opportunity missed.
Bit of a silly post considering 1) its little brother the GT86 base model is £28k and 2) the car it shares almost everything with the 2.0 Z4 is £37k with only 200bhp
Simon Owen said:
Toyota are certainly grabbing some interest at the moment, I'm confused how a 2L Supra sits next to a new GR/GT86 though ?!?!
Unless they do something really different with the 86 replacement ..
I came here to say the same and surprised to find it on page 4 and not earlier!Unless they do something really different with the 86 replacement ..
The "GR86" for 2021 is alleged to have a 4cyl turbo with "in excess of 255hp" if you believe the very early automotive news outlets - so huge pinch of salt...
But imagine buying a Supra which will be considerably slower / heavier (if they stick to the current GT86 mantra).
Surely it will depreciate like a stone. Who would want it? And if the GR86 is more powerful, it will need to be more expensive so it doesn't rob these sales, which doesn't bode well for it!
C.A.R. said:
I came here to say the same and surprised to find it on page 4 and not earlier!
The "GR86" for 2021 is alleged to have a 4cyl turbo with "in excess of 255hp" if you believe the very early automotive news outlets - so huge pinch of salt...
But imagine buying a Supra which will be considerably slower / heavier (if they stick to the current GT86 mantra).
Surely it will depreciate like a stone. Who would want it? And if the GR86 is more powerful, it will need to be more expensive so it doesn't rob these sales, which doesn't bode well for it!
Power wise it's no different to 1992 when you had the MR2 turbo and the NA Mkiii Supra? I'm presuming the NA Supra was at least the same price as the turbo'd MR2..... The "GR86" for 2021 is alleged to have a 4cyl turbo with "in excess of 255hp" if you believe the very early automotive news outlets - so huge pinch of salt...
But imagine buying a Supra which will be considerably slower / heavier (if they stick to the current GT86 mantra).
Surely it will depreciate like a stone. Who would want it? And if the GR86 is more powerful, it will need to be more expensive so it doesn't rob these sales, which doesn't bode well for it!
veevee said:
Anyone else think 0-60 in 5.2 seconds seems very quick for a 1400kg car with 200bhp?
It has 258hp. The text isn't very clear or well-written, as usual.I guess you could load up the B58 soundtrack via coding, as they both have the active sound design thingy. Won't help those that like the wide-boy sounds outside though.
veevee said:
Anyone else think 0-60 in 5.2 seconds seems very quick for a 1400kg car with 200bhp?
Yes, it's quick.Down to clever traction control/launch control?
TTRS 0-60mph 3.6 seconds using traction control.
In tests it got down to 3.4 secs on some runs.
Without the launch control it was more like 4.5 secs.
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