RE: All good things come to an end in 2035

RE: All good things come to an end in 2035

Tuesday 4th February

All good things to end in 2035

The sale of all new combustion-engined cars in the UK will likely be banned in 15 years



Begin hoarding your internal combustion engines, the end times are upon us. Or they will be five years sooner than expected, at least, thanks to news that Boris Johnson is now planning to ban the sale of all petrol, diesel and hybrid cars from 2035. The announcement comes ahead of a UN climate summit set to be hosted in Glasgow in November, and is said to be necessary in order to hit the UK’s target of net zero carbon emissions by 2050.Β 

The COP26 conference will take stock of how successfully (or not) nations are adhering to the promises made in the 2015 Paris Agreement. With the UK’s previous ICE cut off of 2040 said to be too late to hit its 2050 goal, the event’s host nation had little other choice than to bring the deadline forward or face accusations of inaction.Β 

For comparison France is planning to ban the sale of fossil fuel-powered cars by 2040, Iceland is aiming for 2030 and Norway has the most ambitious goal of all new cars sold in the country being zero emission just five years from now. Unlike the others, however, the Scandinavian nation’s target is non-binding.Β 


β€œHosting COP26 is an important opportunity for the UK and nations across the globe to step up in the fight against climate change,” the PM is quoted as saying in a statement released by his office. β€œAs we set out our plans to hit our ambitious 2050 net zero target across this year, so we shall urge others to join us in pledging net zero emissions.” Sir David Attenborough, who joined Johnson for the announcement, said he found the development "encouraging" adding, "it's up to us to put before the nations of the world what needs to be done. Now is the moment."

Mike Hawes, Chief Executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, wasn't quite so effusive in his praise, however: "It's extremely concerning that government has seemingly moved the goalposts for consumers and industry on such a critical issue. Manufacturers are fully invested in a zero emissions future, with some 60 plug-in models now on the market and 34 more coming in 2020. However, with current demand for this still expensive technology still just a fraction of sales, it's clear that accelerating an already very challenging ambition will take more than industry investment. This is about market transformation, yet we still don't have clarity on the future of the plug-in car grant - the most significant driver of EV uptake - which ends in just 60 days' time, while the UK's charging network is still woefully inadequate.

"If the UK is to lead the global zero emissions agenda, we need a competitive marketplace and a competitive business environment to encourage manufacturers to sell and build here. A date without a plan will merely destroy value today. So we therefore need to hear how government plans to fulfil its ambitions in a sustainable way, one that safeguards industry and jobs, allows people from all income groups and regions to adapt and benefit, and, crucially, does not undermine sales of today's low emission technologies, including popular hybrids, all of which are essential to deliver air quality and climate change goals now."

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cuda

Original Poster:

432 posts

195 months

Tuesday 4th February
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Are they going to ban fossil fueled aircraft too?

Didn't think so...

NickColl89

163 posts

63 months

Tuesday 4th February
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Sad but inevitable

Gandahar

8,923 posts

83 months

Tuesday 4th February
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It's a shame kit car manufacturers can't still do petrol engines imported from elsewhere, or is there an exception for them?

DBRacingGod

575 posts

147 months

Tuesday 4th February
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It was fun while it lasted.

RobM77

34,262 posts

189 months

Tuesday 4th February
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It's a bit weird when your hobby and passion is legislated like this. I'm assuming it'll still be legal to own and drive internal combustion engine cars, just like steam engines have been for decades now. I wonder how fuel will be sold for those of us with internal combustion engine classics? How expensive will it become?...

I sincerely hope the government are attacking the far more polluting sectors of commercial transport such as artics and particularly ships, otherwise it's just a farce. I watched Harry Metcalfe's video on his classic Esprit the other day, and despite it being an old school 1970s engine, he worked out that it had output the same CO2 in its entire life that a typical artic outputs in a couple of months... (I think I've remembered that right - correct me if not).

Turbobanana

2,336 posts

156 months

Tuesday 4th February
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Get over it: this was inevitable.

Besides, it's a ban on the SALE OF NEW ICE vehicles, not their use. So unless you're hung up (as many are)on having a new car, this probably won't matter to many until, what, 2040? Maybe 2050 if you're familiar with running older cars? Unless I've missed something and the sale of fossil fuel will also be banned, instantly rendering useless millions of existing vehicles and robbing the Government of much-needed tax revenue.

ogrodz

124 posts

75 months

Tuesday 4th February
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RIVIAN - please please please get to the UK with your pickup trucks ASAP

WCZ

7,667 posts

149 months

Tuesday 4th February
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DBRacingGod said:
It was fun while it lasted.
this. now is the time to buy your dream petrol car!

wonder if it'll affect the market on older cars in a strange way

J4CKO

30,664 posts

155 months

Tuesday 4th February
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RobM77 said:
It's a bit weird when your hobby and passion is legislated like this. I'm assuming it'll still be legal to own and drive internal combustion engine cars, just like steam engines have been for decades now. I wonder how fuel will be sold for those of us with internal combustion engine classics? How expensive will it become?...

I sincerely hope the government are attacking the far more polluting sectors of commercial transport such as artics and particularly ships, otherwise it's just a farce. I watched Harry Metcalfe's video on his classic Esprit the other day, and despite it being an old school 1970s engine, he worked out that it had output the same CO2 in its entire life that a typical artic outputs in a couple of months... (I think I've remembered that right - correct me if not).
Yes, you remembered it right but its a small, lightly used, pampered plaything for one or two people versus something in constant use for moving goods for thousands of people, good video but I dont think the Haulage Industry should move over to 40 year old Lotuses biggrin

Black S2K

1,030 posts

204 months

Tuesday 4th February
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J4CKO said:
RobM77 said:
It's a bit weird when your hobby and passion is legislated like this. I'm assuming it'll still be legal to own and drive internal combustion engine cars, just like steam engines have been for decades now. I wonder how fuel will be sold for those of us with internal combustion engine classics? How expensive will it become?...

I sincerely hope the government are attacking the far more polluting sectors of commercial transport such as artics and particularly ships, otherwise it's just a farce. I watched Harry Metcalfe's video on his classic Esprit the other day, and despite it being an old school 1970s engine, he worked out that it had output the same CO2 in its entire life that a typical artic outputs in a couple of months... (I think I've remembered that right - correct me if not).
Yes, you remembered it right but its a small, lightly used, pampered plaything for one or two people versus something in constant use for moving goods for thousands of people, good video but I dont think the Haulage Industry should move over to 40 year old Lotuses biggrin
Well, if they banned all the artics (and rigids) and ships it would solve the 'problem' pretty quickly.

Give the population a few weeks to starve to death and bingo! Might be a bit of a 'peak' with all the rotting corpses, mind...

I oughtn't give The Powers That Should Not Be ideas...

Triumph Man

6,603 posts

123 months

Tuesday 4th February
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RobM77 said:
It's a bit weird when your hobby and passion is legislated like this. I'm assuming it'll still be legal to own and drive internal combustion engine cars, just like steam engines have been for decades now. I wonder how fuel will be sold for those of us with internal combustion engine classics? How expensive will it become?...
Exactly how I see it. Imagine if you were in to HiFi and somebody said you couldn't enjoy it how you wanted?!

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

82 months

Tuesday 4th February
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It’s going to be a disaster.

swanny71

2,026 posts

164 months

Tuesday 4th February
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Ambitious, not unexpected and probably a good idea but I just can’t see how it’s actually going to work in the real world.

Portrait

229 posts

141 months

Tuesday 4th February
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Are they going to give everyone a drive to charge their car or am I just going to be tripping over cables for the rest of time.

TheOrangePeril

470 posts

135 months

Tuesday 4th February
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Triumph Man said:
RobM77 said:
It's a bit weird when your hobby and passion is legislated like this. I'm assuming it'll still be legal to own and drive internal combustion engine cars, just like steam engines have been for decades now. I wonder how fuel will be sold for those of us with internal combustion engine classics? How expensive will it become?...
Exactly how I see it. Imagine if you were in to HiFi and somebody said you couldn't enjoy it how you wanted?!
Stereo systems don't typically threaten to wipe out viable natural habitats and major chunks of human civilisation though.

Seeing how enthusiasts are typically allowed to keep using their (our) 30/50/100 year old vehicles at present, I can't see it greatly affecting the truly passionate motorists. We're not really the problem... This is about changing the daily transport of millions of people who couldn't give half a rat's fig blossom whether they're driving a quieter, faster, more reliable electric car, or a more rewarding, charismatic, and idiosyncratic IC-engined car.
There's no reason to be producing more IC vehicles for the enthusiast, we have plenty to enjoy as it is. There's certainly no good reason to be producing IC vehicles for the vast majority of people that just want to get from A to B and don't even care how many pedals their car has.

GhostWKD

279 posts

168 months

Tuesday 4th February
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Portrait said:
Are they going to give everyone a drive to charge their car or am I just going to be tripping over cables for the rest of time.
Presumably they'll give electric cars to families that can only afford a dirt cheap runabout too?

abzmike

2,497 posts

61 months

Tuesday 4th February
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Tyres can still be burned up as shown in the pictures in an EV.

Edinburger

8,692 posts

123 months

Tuesday 4th February
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Unpopular view perhaps, but I think this is a good approach. Remember you can still buy petrol, diesel and hybrid cars up until then and run them thereafter.

However, we need massive investment in infrastructure from now. Petrol stations need to have fast chargers. Local charging facilities need to increase massively and we need to harness wireless charging from roads or lampposts or whatever for people without driveways.

We also need manufacturers to get the finger out and start selling quality electric cars at realistic prices.

Bring it on, I say.

Dale487

1,131 posts

78 months

Tuesday 4th February
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GhostWKD said:
Portrait said:
Are they going to give everyone a drive to charge their car or am I just going to be tripping over cables for the rest of time.
Presumably they'll give electric cars to families that can only afford a dirt cheap runabout too?
I'm thinking a garage with electrics could be a good personal and maybe financial investment.

John.Taylor

40 posts

135 months

Tuesday 4th February
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I just don't see the step change from ICE to all electric happening in such a short time frame, and if it does it will cripple low earners.

I drive a 2005 Mini R53 which is worth next to nothing but gets me to work and back, to the shops, days out at the weekend, longer trips to see the family, on track days, etc. When it gives up the ghost I'll scrap it and buy something else old, cheap and fun - and I'm not the only one who does this, we can't all afford a shiny new PCP on the drive every 3 years.

When all-electric comes in what am I going to buy for £2k, a 15 year old Leaf with batteries that can't hold more than 50 miles charge?