RE: All good things come to an end in 2035

[M4cruiser]

This article could be called "Boris Bans The Prius" because that's what he's done!

[Mr Tidy]

M4cruiser said:

This article could be called "Boris Bans The Prius" because that's what he's done!

I hope so - Prius seems to be the worst driven car on the roads!

Cr*p car driven by moron Uber tw*ts.

[321boost]

RemarkLima said:

321boost said:

So you’ve just basically proved my point regarding car taxation. Also why do you think just because you have EV you’ll be able to drive anyway?

I’ll admit I don’t know much about owning a horse but the last table on this page gives a rough estimate:

https://equine-world.co.uk/info/buying-loaning-sel...

I’m guessing if you do things yourself you can expect to pay about £5,000 a year for the horse which is lower than what the car costs an average driver, now multiply the average cost of car ownership by about 10 . It’s not a comparable thing.

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That's "running" a horse, it doesn't include the purchase nor any of the land required - the latter being meaningfully more than the car running costs.

The original question was about track days, and I think they'd be entirely comparable with equestrian activities.

I believe it includes rent.

[321boost]

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[nightflight]

Pommy said:

broombroomcar said:

This is more than likely a controversial suggestion - all ICE motor racing should be banned. At least with cars on the road, you are going somewhere. Not many people go out for a drive these days - the ones that do are on here, so very few.

No doubt people will say the revenue involved in motorsports, but it is not necessary in terms of emissions.

Im thinking a field full of cows emit more emissions in a year than a year of the entire UK motorsport calendar

just Google emissions from termites !!!!!!!

[anonymous-user]

nightflight said:

Pommy said:

broombroomcar said:

This is more than likely a controversial suggestion - all ICE motor racing should be banned. At least with cars on the road, you are going somewhere. Not many people go out for a drive these days - the ones that do are on here, so very few.

No doubt people will say the revenue involved in motorsports, but it is not necessary in terms of emissions.

Im thinking a field full of cows emit more emissions in a year than a year of the entire UK motorsport calendar

just Google emissions from termites !!!!!!!

Methane also 100 times more global warmingy than co2

[FourWheelDrift]

Tesla's secret is revealed - https://gfycat.com/bowedadvancedamazondolphin

[VeeFource]

I'm sure as with many others on here, my issue with this news is the word 'Ban'. There are a significant number of people in this country for which the internal combustion engine is their main source of pleasure in life. For others it could be going abroad skiing, or driving up and down the country to mate show dogs. Should those high carbon footprint activities along with other polluting pleasures such as steam engines and barbecues be banned too? Where does it end, a ban on the use of powered vehicles for any nonessential journeys?

Surely instead of limiting what people are allowed to have, they should be making plans to incentivise people into the economies EVs inherently bring by proposing infrastructure targets such as streetlight charging etc?

Or how about carbon tax at the consumer level instead of the retailer level? I cycle a fair distance to work and don't want kids largely because I believe over population is the main issue behind the climate crisis. So why can't I have a flipping 2.0 MX5 (already being limited in sales volume due to emissions) for the odd weekend? Yet on a walk on my lunch break I see herds of ground workers blowing leaves back and forth with their 2 stroke leaf blowers & housewives taking their 4 kids out for a slob in their electric buggies. Then in the evenings people are driving around retail parks in circles looking for a parking spot that's closest to their gym ..but that's that's fine because they drive a 1.6!

Just seems a completely dictatorial and monumentally lazy attempt at tackling the climate crisis to me.

Edited by VeeFource on Friday 14th February 22:58

[LandRoverManiac]

VeeFource said:

I'm sure as with many others on here, my issue with this news is the word 'Ban'. There are a significant number of people in this country for which the internal combustion engine is their main source of pleasure in life. For others it could be going abroad skiing, or driving up and down the country to mate show dogs. Should those high carbon footprint activities along with other polluting pleasures such as steam engines and barbecues be banned too? Where does it end, a ban on the use of powered vehicles for any nonessential journeys?

Surely instead of limiting what people are allowed to have, they should be making plans to incentivise people into the economies EVs inherently bring by proposing infrastructure targets such as streetlight charging etc?

Or how about carbon tax at the consumer level instead of the retailer level? I cycle a fair distance to work and don't want kids largely because I believe over population is the main issue behind the climate crisis. So why can't I have a flipping 2.0 MX5 (already being limited in sales volume due to emissions) for the odd weekend? Yet on a walk on my lunch break I see herds of ground workers blowing leaves back and forth with their 2 stroke leaf blowers & housewifes taking their 4 kids out for a slob in their electric buggies. Then in the evenings people are driving around retail parks in circles looking for a parking spot that's closest to their gym ..but that's that's fine because they drive a 1.6!

Just seems a completely dictatorial and monumentally lazy attempt at tackling the climate crisis to me.

^^ What he said.

The mere fact that they have to ban people from buying new ICE vehicles to force them to go electric screams volumes.

'You WILL buy this toaster on wheels!'

Personally I can see the hybrid elements of the ban being quietly dropped closer to the time. Some applications will simply be beyond the capability of lugging a bloody great battery pack around.

[Zed 44]

VeeFource said:

I'm sure as with many others on here, my issue with this news is the word 'Ban'. There are a significant number of people in this country for which the internal combustion engine is their main source of pleasure in life. For others it could be going abroad skiing, or driving up and down the country to mate show dogs. Should those high carbon footprint activities along with other polluting pleasures such as steam engines and barbecues be banned too? Where does it end, a ban on the use of powered vehicles for any nonessential journeys?

Surely instead of limiting what people are allowed to have, they should be making plans to incentivise people into the economies EVs inherently bring by proposing infrastructure targets such as streetlight charging etc?

Or how about carbon tax at the consumer level instead of the retailer level? I cycle a fair distance to work and don't want kids largely because I believe over population is the main issue behind the climate crisis. So why can't I have a flipping 2.0 MX5 (already being limited in sales volume due to emissions) for the odd weekend? Yet on a walk on my lunch break I see herds of ground workers blowing leaves back and forth with their 2 stroke leaf blowers & housewives taking their 4 kids out for a slob in their electric buggies. Then in the evenings people are driving around retail parks in circles looking for a parking spot that's closest to their gym ..but that's that's fine because they drive a 1.6!

Just seems a completely dictatorial and monumentally lazy attempt at tackling the climate crisis to me.

Edited by VeeFource on Friday 14th February 22:58

You could have had my MX5 but it's sold now. Sorry.

[Lester H]

NickColl89 said:

Sad but inevitable

Not inevitable. Boris is a known waffler ,a Vicar of Bray who will go with the flow. After much bluster, it will be fudged and delayed, probably with a transitional period..can you hear Sir Humphrey proposing it?No need to go and spend £28k on a Nissan Leaf yet ! The fuss may even depress the prices of late model diesels and petrols to the great benefit of PHers.

[Mr Tidy]

I'm just glad I am of advancing years - for once!

By the time the ban on new ICE cars comes into effect I'll be 75, so I might be ready for an EV anyway - like one of those mobility scooters!

But I do feel sorry for the next generation of car fans, although they will still be able to buy used ones. And who knows, sales of those might rocket in 2034 just because it's the last chance saloon!

[cerb4.5lee]

Mr Tidy said:

I'm just glad I am of advancing years - for once!

By the time the ban on new ICE cars comes into effect I'll be 75, so I might be ready for an EV anyway - like one of those mobility scooters!

But I do feel sorry for the next generation of car fans, although they will still be able to buy used ones. And who knows, sales of those might rocket in 2034 just because it's the last chance saloon!

I feel exactly same as you although I will only be 62 then. Being a petrolhead now is pretty much dead...but I'm pleased that I got to experience being one.

EV's are about as exciting as a mobility scooter as far as I'm concerned!! A very sad future for cars for sure.

[cerb4.5lee]

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[fatbutt]

I'm a petrol-head through and through, always have been, yet I've surprised myself how much i'm actually looking forward to the shift to electric cars. I've had a V8 of some form on my drive for the last 20 years, usually more than one; but the one I have now will be my last.

I'm starting to view ICE cars as something akin to steam engines. Some are marvels of engineering and beautiful to behold but they're outclassed by what's coming next.

[anonymous-user]

fatbutt said:

I'm a petrol-head through and through, always have been, yet I've surprised myself how much i'm actually looking forward to the shift to electric cars. I've had a V8 of some form on my drive for the last 20 years, usually more than one; but the one I have now will be my last.

I'm starting to view ICE cars as something akin to steam engines. Some are marvels of engineering and beautiful to behold but they're outclassed by what's coming next.

Cars from the 90's are outclassed by new cars, it doesn't make them less fun to drive, or less desirable to own.

[VeeFource]

fatbutt said:

I'm a petrol-head through and through, always have been, yet I've surprised myself how much i'm actually looking forward to the shift to electric cars. I've had a V8 of some form on my drive for the last 20 years, usually more than one; but the one I have now will be my last.

I'm starting to view ICE cars as something akin to steam engines. Some are marvels of engineering and beautiful to behold but they're outclassed by what's coming next.

There's a reason people pay £50 odd for their family to ride on a steam train. Despite outclassing a steam train I can't ever see that happening with one of these...

[321boost]

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