People driving up your ar$e grrrr!
Discussion
dreamcracker said:
Why can't drivers look where they are going, instead of worrying about what is in their rear view mirror?
Because the person behind will crash into you if you have to stop suddenly. Why do you think we have rear view mirrors at all?dreamcracker said:
I just don't understand the obsession.
If it bothers you that much pull over and let others past.
Not that easy on a motorway.If it bothers you that much pull over and let others past.
dreamcracker said:
I always keep up with the traffic in front, so there is no temptatiion for traffic behind to want to go faster.
The issue is not people wanting to go faster but wanting to drive too close behind. This can happen whatever speed you are driving at.I cannot understand these people who don't have an issue with tailgating. Do they really find that in 50 limited smart motorway stretches the artic behind always keeps a 2 second gap?
Agree with the observation that you need to be aware of what's behind and in many cases you end up driving for two, ie so that you can prevent them running into you.
Two basic types imo, probably more in reality. First type are just dozy simpletons who don't have a clue about anything and don't really think much either.
The second type are the impatient ones who are in essence just trying to bully you hurry up and get out of the way. Clearly whilst it is often possible to let them past and head onto their next accident this has the unfortunate effect of positively reinforcing their behaviour, but better enemy in front and out of your hair than welded to rear bumper.
Two basic types imo, probably more in reality. First type are just dozy simpletons who don't have a clue about anything and don't really think much either.
The second type are the impatient ones who are in essence just trying to bully you hurry up and get out of the way. Clearly whilst it is often possible to let them past and head onto their next accident this has the unfortunate effect of positively reinforcing their behaviour, but better enemy in front and out of your hair than welded to rear bumper.
If the car in front is travelling at the posted limit, then they are doing all that the traffic behind can legally expect from them. getting a speeding fine for exceeding the speed limit is one thing, getting a speeding fine for exceeding the limit to accommodate a tail gater is one of the dumbest things a driver can do.
The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
Pan Pan Pan said:
If the car in front is travelling at the posted limit, then they are doing all that the traffic behind can legally expect from them. getting a speeding fine for exceeding the speed limit is one thing, getting a speeding fine for exceeding the limit to accommodate a tail gater is one of the dumbest things a driver can do.
The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
All perfectly true, but irrelevant to the tailgating issue.The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
Pan Pan Pan said:
If the car in front is travelling at the posted limit, then they are doing all that the traffic behind can legally expect from them. getting a speeding fine for exceeding the speed limit is one thing, getting a speeding fine for exceeding the limit to accommodate a tail gater is one of the dumbest things a driver can do.
The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
So are you saying it's ok to aggressively tailgate someone who's dirving below the speed limit?The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
AW111 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
If the car in front is travelling at the posted limit, then they are doing all that the traffic behind can legally expect from them. getting a speeding fine for exceeding the speed limit is one thing, getting a speeding fine for exceeding the limit to accommodate a tail gater is one of the dumbest things a driver can do.
The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
So are you saying it's ok to aggressively tailgate someone who's dirving below the speed limit?The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
Faulty vehicle? it should not be on the road,
Person not physically able to drive? they should not be on the road.
Person so arrogant, and selfish, they see no problem with baulking other drivers (many who will have long journey`s ahead of them) who want to travel legally at the posted limit? they should not be on the road.
Pan Pan Pan said:
AW111 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
If the car in front is travelling at the posted limit, then they are doing all that the traffic behind can legally expect from them. getting a speeding fine for exceeding the speed limit is one thing, getting a speeding fine for exceeding the limit to accommodate a tail gater is one of the dumbest things a driver can do.
The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
So are you saying it's ok to aggressively tailgate someone who's dirving below the speed limit?The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
Faulty vehicle? it should not be on the road,
Person not physically able to drive? they should not be on the road.
Person so arrogant, and selfish, they see no problem with baulking other drivers (many who will have long journey`s ahead of them) who want to travel legally at the posted limit? they should not be on the road.
ks as usual. There are a million reasons why someone may not be driving at the limit (which is a limit note, not a target). The fact that you cannot cope with this and want them removed from the road says more than enough about how intolerant and blinkered you are.I suggest you try growing up a little?
Pan Pan Pan said:
AW111 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
If the car in front is travelling at the posted limit, then they are doing all that the traffic behind can legally expect from them. getting a speeding fine for exceeding the speed limit is one thing, getting a speeding fine for exceeding the limit to accommodate a tail gater is one of the dumbest things a driver can do.
The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
So are you saying it's ok to aggressively tailgate someone who's dirving below the speed limit?The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
Faulty vehicle? it should not be on the road,
Person not physically able to drive? they should not be on the road.
Person so arrogant, and selfish, they see no problem with baulking other drivers (many who will have long journey`s ahead of them) who want to travel legally at the posted limit? they should not be on the road.
JimSuperSix said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
AW111 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
If the car in front is travelling at the posted limit, then they are doing all that the traffic behind can legally expect from them. getting a speeding fine for exceeding the speed limit is one thing, getting a speeding fine for exceeding the limit to accommodate a tail gater is one of the dumbest things a driver can do.
The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
So are you saying it's ok to aggressively tailgate someone who's dirving below the speed limit?The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
Faulty vehicle? it should not be on the road,
Person not physically able to drive? they should not be on the road.
Person so arrogant, and selfish, they see no problem with baulking other drivers (many who will have long journey`s ahead of them) who want to travel legally at the posted limit? they should not be on the road.
ks as usual. There are a million reasons why someone may not be driving at the limit (which is a limit note, not a target). The fact that you cannot cope with this and want them removed from the road says more than enough about how intolerant and blinkered you are.I suggest you try growing up a little?
A person who dawdles during their driving test gets failed for not making proper progress, A person who dawdles on the road can rightly be stopped and fined for doing so.
If a person has not the werewithal to drive a vehicle at the UK posted limits, they should not be on the road.
There are also a million reasons why a driver should travel at the posted limit. The arrogance of someone who decides they are going to baulk all the drivers around them just because they feel like it and they have a right to do so is quite breathtaking.
Pan Pan Pan said:
JimSuperSix said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
AW111 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
If the car in front is travelling at the posted limit, then they are doing all that the traffic behind can legally expect from them. getting a speeding fine for exceeding the speed limit is one thing, getting a speeding fine for exceeding the limit to accommodate a tail gater is one of the dumbest things a driver can do.
The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
So are you saying it's ok to aggressively tailgate someone who's dirving below the speed limit?The problem drivers, are more often those, who, when on a dry clear road travel at well below the limit, with a huge queue of frustrated motorists built up behind them, and at the same time, with the vehicles in front (which were travelling at the posted limit) disappeared into the distance.
If a driver in an ordinary vehicle, cannot cope with travelling at the posted limits, they should consider if they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads at all.
Faulty vehicle? it should not be on the road,
Person not physically able to drive? they should not be on the road.
Person so arrogant, and selfish, they see no problem with baulking other drivers (many who will have long journey`s ahead of them) who want to travel legally at the posted limit? they should not be on the road.
ks as usual. There are a million reasons why someone may not be driving at the limit (which is a limit note, not a target). The fact that you cannot cope with this and want them removed from the road says more than enough about how intolerant and blinkered you are.I suggest you try growing up a little?
A person who dawdles during their driving test gets failed for not making proper progress, A person who dawdles on the road can rightly be stopped and fined for doing so.
If a person has not the werewithal to drive a vehicle at the UK posted limits, they should not be on the road.
There are also a million reasons why a driver should travel at the posted limit. The arrogance of someone who decides they are going to baulk all the drivers around them just because they feel like it and they have a right to do so is quite breathtaking.
This is one of the dumbest things I’ve read on PH for a while...and that’s saying something!
Pan Pan Pan said:
I suggest you are one of the arrogant, selfish, f*ck everyone else brigade, who believes they can drive at whatever speed suits them, and don't care what effect it has on other drivers, who want to proceed legally, at the legal posted limits.
A person who dawdles during their driving test gets failed for not making proper progress, A person who dawdles on the road can rightly be stopped and fined for doing so.
If a person has not the werewithal to drive a vehicle at the UK posted limits, they should not be on the road.
There are also a million reasons why a driver should travel at the posted limit. The arrogance of someone who decides they are going to baulk all the drivers around them just because they feel like it and they have a right to do so is quite breathtaking.
You do realise that not everything on the road is allowed to drive at the speed on the signs? A person who dawdles during their driving test gets failed for not making proper progress, A person who dawdles on the road can rightly be stopped and fined for doing so.
If a person has not the werewithal to drive a vehicle at the UK posted limits, they should not be on the road.
There are also a million reasons why a driver should travel at the posted limit. The arrogance of someone who decides they are going to baulk all the drivers around them just because they feel like it and they have a right to do so is quite breathtaking.
Are people on planet Pan Pan Pan actually allowed to slow down for tight bends, or adverse weather conditions, or is that not allowed because it slows down the mighty PPP?
You really do come across as a "breathtakingly arrogant, selfish, f
k everyone else" type yourself you know...Sometimes closing the gap on the car in front can be a useful way to communicate the message "hi there, I notice you are not overtaking anything, and I would like to pass you please".
It's only polite if you keep a respectful distance whilst they are legitimately overtaking slower traffic, however I have often found myself behind people who don't know that rule of the road so either tailgate and upset the driver in front, or never indicate their intentions so the driver in front assumes they are content bimbling past lorries at 57mph.
Flashing lights is often taken as an insult worthy of brake-checking-induced death, right indicator is seen as a sign you forgot to turn it off, horn won't be heard from 2 seconds distance at 57mph.
It's only polite if you keep a respectful distance whilst they are legitimately overtaking slower traffic, however I have often found myself behind people who don't know that rule of the road so either tailgate and upset the driver in front, or never indicate their intentions so the driver in front assumes they are content bimbling past lorries at 57mph.
Flashing lights is often taken as an insult worthy of brake-checking-induced death, right indicator is seen as a sign you forgot to turn it off, horn won't be heard from 2 seconds distance at 57mph.
I do agree it can be very frustrating, especially when there's simply never a valid reason for anyone to be doing it. I find the best course of action to be to ignore it and carry on driving safely. If it's becoming an increasing concern, you could always pull over, if, when and where safe to do so. I definitely wouldn't ever advise any kind of brake-testing.
Occasionally i have ended up booting it to try get some distance in sheer frustration, but i wouldn't really advise this either, for a few reasons. Firstly, it can result in you going well over the limit, which is obviously not the best course of action to take, especially around town and in heavily-pedestrianised areas. The second is that, from what I've experienced, the cuprit ends up getting a kick out of it and tries to constantly catch up to you and stick on your bumper further, like some kind of pathetic game. It's bizarre behaviour, but it's not worth feeding the troll, so to speak. You never really win.
My personal observation, which actually concludes most bad/dangerous driving manoeuvres that i see day-to-day, is that it's simply a result of a lack of patience. It's how you actually deal with these situations that separates you from them or just the occasional mistake/error.
Oh, and only on PH would you see comments suggesting that the individuals who are being tailgated the most are, in fact, the issue.
Occasionally i have ended up booting it to try get some distance in sheer frustration, but i wouldn't really advise this either, for a few reasons. Firstly, it can result in you going well over the limit, which is obviously not the best course of action to take, especially around town and in heavily-pedestrianised areas. The second is that, from what I've experienced, the cuprit ends up getting a kick out of it and tries to constantly catch up to you and stick on your bumper further, like some kind of pathetic game. It's bizarre behaviour, but it's not worth feeding the troll, so to speak. You never really win.
My personal observation, which actually concludes most bad/dangerous driving manoeuvres that i see day-to-day, is that it's simply a result of a lack of patience. It's how you actually deal with these situations that separates you from them or just the occasional mistake/error.
Oh, and only on PH would you see comments suggesting that the individuals who are being tailgated the most are, in fact, the issue.
Pan Pan Pan said:
I suggest you are one of the arrogant, selfish, f*ck everyone else brigade, who believes they can drive at whatever speed suits them, and don't care what effect it has on other drivers, who want to proceed legally, at the legal posted limits.
A person who dawdles during their driving test gets failed for not making proper progress, A person who dawdles on the road can rightly be stopped and fined for doing so.
If a person has not the werewithal to drive a vehicle at the UK posted limits, they should not be on the road.
There are also a million reasons why a driver should travel at the posted limit. The arrogance of someone who decides they are going to baulk all the drivers around them just because they feel like it and they have a right to do so is quite breathtaking.
And can I ask what is acceptable for you, -1%, -5%??A person who dawdles during their driving test gets failed for not making proper progress, A person who dawdles on the road can rightly be stopped and fined for doing so.
If a person has not the werewithal to drive a vehicle at the UK posted limits, they should not be on the road.
There are also a million reasons why a driver should travel at the posted limit. The arrogance of someone who decides they are going to baulk all the drivers around them just because they feel like it and they have a right to do so is quite breathtaking.
What about if I have a sick child, person, elderly passenger who is a bit frail...would that be ok if I was driving a little bit off of the norm that journey?
Or would I have to contend with an angry person on the internet glued to my bumper looking all peculiar?
FiF said:
Agree with the observation that you need to be aware of what's behind and in many cases you end up driving for two, ie so that you can prevent them running into you.
Two basic types imo, probably more in reality. First type are just dozy simpletons who don't have a clue about anything and don't really think much either.
The second type are the impatient ones who are in essence just trying to bully you hurry up and get out of the way. Clearly whilst it is often possible to let them past and head onto their next accident this has the unfortunate effect of positively reinforcing their behaviour, but better enemy in front and out of your hair than welded to rear bumper.
Totally agree, much sense written Two basic types imo, probably more in reality. First type are just dozy simpletons who don't have a clue about anything and don't really think much either.
The second type are the impatient ones who are in essence just trying to bully you hurry up and get out of the way. Clearly whilst it is often possible to let them past and head onto their next accident this has the unfortunate effect of positively reinforcing their behaviour, but better enemy in front and out of your hair than welded to rear bumper.
rosetank said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I suggest you are one of the arrogant, selfish, f*ck everyone else brigade, who believes they can drive at whatever speed suits them, and don't care what effect it has on other drivers, who want to proceed legally, at the legal posted limits.
A person who dawdles during their driving test gets failed for not making proper progress, A person who dawdles on the road can rightly be stopped and fined for doing so.
If a person has not the werewithal to drive a vehicle at the UK posted limits, they should not be on the road.
There are also a million reasons why a driver should travel at the posted limit. The arrogance of someone who decides they are going to baulk all the drivers around them just because they feel like it and they have a right to do so is quite breathtaking.
And can I ask what is acceptable for you, -1%, -5%??A person who dawdles during their driving test gets failed for not making proper progress, A person who dawdles on the road can rightly be stopped and fined for doing so.
If a person has not the werewithal to drive a vehicle at the UK posted limits, they should not be on the road.
There are also a million reasons why a driver should travel at the posted limit. The arrogance of someone who decides they are going to baulk all the drivers around them just because they feel like it and they have a right to do so is quite breathtaking.
What about if I have a sick child, person, elderly passenger who is a bit frail...would that be ok if I was driving a little bit off of the norm that journey?
Or would I have to contend with an angry person on the internet glued to my bumper looking all peculiar?
If someone tries to tailgate me, I'll try and move over and let them past, although there's a good chance that if I could have been in L1 I would be.
What infuriates me is those people who tailgate in L1. Pull out and pass or ps off.
Yesterday morning I had a lady in a shagged Fiesta right up my hoop, to the point where I couldn't see her headlamps in the mirror. L1. When I decelerated in the hope that she would pass, all she did was slow down and stay glued to my back bumper.
More a lack of spacial awareness, in that case.
What infuriates me is those people who tailgate in L1. Pull out and pass or p
s off.Yesterday morning I had a lady in a shagged Fiesta right up my hoop, to the point where I couldn't see her headlamps in the mirror. L1. When I decelerated in the hope that she would pass, all she did was slow down and stay glued to my back bumper.
More a lack of spacial awareness, in that case.
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