RE: Ford Mustang Mach-E | Ridden
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I'm a mustang owner , my view is it's a good looking car and with tesla dominating the performance EV market I can see why they wanted to associate it with their own performance car.
Kuga EV followed by Kuga RS or whatever they'd call it wouldn't attract the same attention.
The thing that irritates me about the way the EV is being pushed is it's the saviour of the planet when the average age of a car in the UK is 10 years.
Nobody running a 15 year old £1000 focus is suddenly finding 30k or £300 a month for an EV
370 miles range on a rolling road maybe , or possibly in california in a car with just the driver doing optimum speed for hours
In europe with heaters ,AC ,lights on etc etc it's going to be a lot less , then you're reliant on charging stations which cost a lot of money to install and maintain plus they re-sell electricity so aren't in control of the cost price in any way so can't mitigate increases by cost cutting the way a normal business could.
This example is €64 for 160 miles , how long before the big players start to ramp up the prices once they have a captive market
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Kuga EV followed by Kuga RS or whatever they'd call it wouldn't attract the same attention.
The thing that irritates me about the way the EV is being pushed is it's the saviour of the planet when the average age of a car in the UK is 10 years.
Nobody running a 15 year old £1000 focus is suddenly finding 30k or £300 a month for an EV
370 miles range on a rolling road maybe , or possibly in california in a car with just the driver doing optimum speed for hours
In europe with heaters ,AC ,lights on etc etc it's going to be a lot less , then you're reliant on charging stations which cost a lot of money to install and maintain plus they re-sell electricity so aren't in control of the cost price in any way so can't mitigate increases by cost cutting the way a normal business could.
This example is €64 for 160 miles , how long before the big players start to ramp up the prices once they have a captive market
wack said:
I'm a mustang owner , my view is it's a good looking car and with tesla dominating the performance EV market I can see why they wanted to associate it with their own performance car.
Kuga EV followed by Kuga RS or whatever they'd call it wouldn't attract the same attention.
The thing that irritates me about the way the EV is being pushed is it's the saviour of the planet when the average age of a car in the UK is 10 years.
Nobody running a 15 year old £1000 focus is suddenly finding 30k or £300 a month for an EV
370 miles range on a rolling road maybe , or possibly in california in a car with just the driver doing optimum speed for hours
In europe with heaters ,AC ,lights on etc etc it's going to be a lot less , then you're reliant on charging stations which cost a lot of money to install and maintain plus they re-sell electricity so aren't in control of the cost price in any way so can't mitigate increases by cost cutting the way a normal business could.
This example is €64 for 160 miles , how long before the big players start to ramp up the prices once they have a captive market
500% will be just the start. Kuga EV followed by Kuga RS or whatever they'd call it wouldn't attract the same attention.
The thing that irritates me about the way the EV is being pushed is it's the saviour of the planet when the average age of a car in the UK is 10 years.
Nobody running a 15 year old £1000 focus is suddenly finding 30k or £300 a month for an EV
370 miles range on a rolling road maybe , or possibly in california in a car with just the driver doing optimum speed for hours
In europe with heaters ,AC ,lights on etc etc it's going to be a lot less , then you're reliant on charging stations which cost a lot of money to install and maintain plus they re-sell electricity so aren't in control of the cost price in any way so can't mitigate increases by cost cutting the way a normal business could.
This example is €64 for 160 miles , how long before the big players start to ramp up the prices once they have a captive market
Youre right, once the big energy companies get into this it's guaranteed prices will sky rocket.
wack said:
Nobody running a 15 year old £1000 focus is suddenly finding 30k or £300 a month for an EV
Nobody running a 15 year old £1000 focus is suddenly finding 30k or £300 a month for a new Focus or any other car for that matter. But in 15 years time when the new ICE ban kicks in, there’ll be plenty of 15 year old Mach-Es available for the shed market.
A1VDY said:
500% will be just the start. Youre right, once the big energy companies get into this it's guaranteed prices will sky rocket.
Ford is part of the Ionity consortium. Fair to assume, that just like Porsche, Audi, VW, BMW and Mercedes, they will offer discount charging (e.g. around 30 cent, German market) for a modest monthly fee. Funk said:
I suspect that a large part of the reason the Government are pushing 'smart meters' so hard is because it will allow electricity companies to detect in real time the connection of a very high kW draw device - such as an electric car would create - perhaps specifically recognising that overnight when other electricity use is normally lower.
It would then allow them to do effectively an intelligent 'reverse economy 7' and charge more for the period of time that the draw was above the normal baseline overnight read. A massive chunk of this would then go to the Government in "EV tax", replacing the large amounts of fuel tax that will inevitably be lost.
Smart meters are the only way they could do it in real time and with any intelligence.
Now there’s a thought. Not sure they’ll be that clever though (and people could buy chargers that are designed to fool it by reducing draw to the minimum needed to fully charge by the time the car is needed).It would then allow them to do effectively an intelligent 'reverse economy 7' and charge more for the period of time that the draw was above the normal baseline overnight read. A massive chunk of this would then go to the Government in "EV tax", replacing the large amounts of fuel tax that will inevitably be lost.
Smart meters are the only way they could do it in real time and with any intelligence.
I need 4 hours or 7KW charge per day, and have around 12 to achieve it.
Jon_S_Rally said:
RacerMike said:
It's called marketing. And by all accounts it's marketing that's working, as far more people are talking about it than if it had been called a Cougar or a Granada or something else.
Granada! That would have been a brilliant name for it. Ford should bring back more of those retro tags. We need another Cortina 
I'm not a fan of the styling of this personally. Something about it just doesn't quite work for me, but I can't put my finger on it.
Marketing ploy to try and attract the gullible by calling it Mustang.
Video of the car being driven in London:
. . . . "There are no blue ovals on this car whatsoever. They're leaning very heavily into the Mustang branding."
. . . . "The Mach-E is obviously a very important car globally for Ford. It's crucial to the company's success."
video here:
https://youtu.be/1S5Y52LWKHQ
Don't you hate it when people in other countries get stuff -- while people in your country are told to wait?
That's not happening with Mustang Mach-E.
UK and US deliveries will occur simultaneously during fourth quarter 2020.
Although...
When I compared prices between the two countries, the figures were similar. You know: As if only the currency sign had been changed. Not true of course, but you know what I mean.
English actor Idris Elba is on television again:
video
https://youtu.be/Qxw3YErDYwA
The spot above is appearing during popular sport in the US at the moment.
Ford says that its public charging network the other side of the pond will be the largest there. Larger even than that of Musk fame. Effort to simplify / normalise BEV ownership.
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Edited by unsprung on Wednesday 9th September 03:45
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