RE: Ford Mustang Mach-E | Ridden
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Funk said:
I suspect that a large part of the reason the Government are pushing 'smart meters' so hard is because it will allow electricity companies to detect in real time the connection of a very high kW draw device - such as an electric car would create - perhaps specifically recognising that overnight when other electricity use is normally lower.
It would then allow them to do effectively an intelligent 'reverse economy 7' and charge more for the period of time that the draw was above the normal baseline overnight read. A massive chunk of this would then go to the Government in "EV tax", replacing the large amounts of fuel tax that will inevitably be lost.
Smart meters are the only way they could do it in real time and with any intelligence.
This. Everyone singing the praises of low running costs for EVs will soon be looking sheepish. Sadly, as fuel use declines, the government will have to find a way to recover the money, and they will find a way to make EVs cost more to run. Like you say, different rates for charging EVs compared to powering your home, or fees for charging stations, taxes when purchasing or through annual tax. There's no way they won't find a way to get the money back.It would then allow them to do effectively an intelligent 'reverse economy 7' and charge more for the period of time that the draw was above the normal baseline overnight read. A massive chunk of this would then go to the Government in "EV tax", replacing the large amounts of fuel tax that will inevitably be lost.
Smart meters are the only way they could do it in real time and with any intelligence.
Obviously that ignores the potential environmental benefits, though I'm a bit sceptical about those materialising once we've considered the impact of building all of the infrastructure and destroying all the old stuff.
ford .::Funk said:
I suspect that a large part of the reason the Government are pushing 'smart meters' so hard is because it will allow electricity companies to detect in real time the connection of a very high kW draw device - such as an electric car would create - perhaps specifically recognising that overnight when other electricity use is normally lower.
It would then allow them to do effectively an intelligent 'reverse economy 7' and charge more for the period of time that the draw was above the normal baseline overnight read. A massive chunk of this would then go to the Government in "EV tax", replacing the large amounts of fuel tax that will inevitably be lost.
Smart meters are the only way they could do it in real time and with any intelligence.
Actually most of the home charging pods have internet access via your wifi or via a SIM so can dob you in for how much charging is going on - most of them have it so that remote diagnostics can be done, updates etcIt would then allow them to do effectively an intelligent 'reverse economy 7' and charge more for the period of time that the draw was above the normal baseline overnight read. A massive chunk of this would then go to the Government in "EV tax", replacing the large amounts of fuel tax that will inevitably be lost.
Smart meters are the only way they could do it in real time and with any intelligence.
IanJ9375 said:
Actually most of the home charging pods have internet access via your wifi or via a SIM so can dob you in for how much charging is going on - most of them have it so that remote diagnostics can be done, updates etc
That would require the Government to aggregate the data from many different sources and possibly in many different formats (it would be the most accurate though). Using smart meters to do it requires very little investment (relatively-speaking) once they've been made mandatory and installed in every home. It would be a universal system that could easily be co-opted under 'energy regulations' of some sort to report back on everyone.manracer said:
Ive had a tesla model 3 for 6 months now - still yet to find a broken charger. Thats super chargers, destination chargers, polar, ionity + more.
I wish I had bought a Tesla. I bought an ipace and I really struggle on motorways to be honest as more and more are only functioning as slow chargersmanracer said:
The negative comments on here really do make me chuckle.
I know! I can’t believe people are reacting negatively to an historic product they were emotionally invested in being trashed for the abstract profits of othersI’m sure glad I believe in nothing and don’t think beyond what physically can and cannot be done, so that I can chuckle with the enlightened folks like you!
I saw the Mach-E at work recently and I think it looks great. Some nice details, and the interior (that I could see - we weren’t allowed inside) is a departure for Ford and a lot more minimalist. Very clean. The 370 mile WLTP range is also very impressive compared to the (more expensive) competition on offer, and should allay any range anxiety fears. I would be very interested in one of these if only I had a charging point at home!
I think BEVs offer OEMs and consumers alike a new direction, and whether you buy into their environmentally friendly credentials or not they are catalysts for innovation in a way that conventional PVs can’t hope to match. I wonder if anyone will provide a function for allowing BEVs to turn on the spot by allowing the N/S and O/S wheels to rotate in opposite directions, tank-like
The Government just need to pull their finger out now and support infrastructure projects that will facilitate their 2035 deadline of ICE vehicles.
I think BEVs offer OEMs and consumers alike a new direction, and whether you buy into their environmentally friendly credentials or not they are catalysts for innovation in a way that conventional PVs can’t hope to match. I wonder if anyone will provide a function for allowing BEVs to turn on the spot by allowing the N/S and O/S wheels to rotate in opposite directions, tank-like
The Government just need to pull their finger out now and support infrastructure projects that will facilitate their 2035 deadline of ICE vehicles.
Bobby Lee said:
I know! I can’t believe people are reacting negatively to an historic product they were emotionally invested in being trashed for the abstract profits of others
I’m sure glad I believe in nothing and don’t think beyond what physically can and cannot be done, so that I can chuckle with the enlightened folks like you!
Emotionally attached? Bless.I’m sure glad I believe in nothing and don’t think beyond what physically can and cannot be done, so that I can chuckle with the enlightened folks like you!
This does not destroy a single classic Mustang. The name has already been trampled through the dirt by a succession of emasculated pony cars through the 70s, 80s and 90s in which they were all pretty horrid and asthmatic. Comparatively using the name to launch a leccy car is nothing.
Rumblestripe said:
Bobby Lee said:
I know! I can’t believe people are reacting negatively to an historic product they were emotionally invested in being trashed for the abstract profits of others
I’m sure glad I believe in nothing and don’t think beyond what physically can and cannot be done, so that I can chuckle with the enlightened folks like you!
Emotionally attached? Bless.I’m sure glad I believe in nothing and don’t think beyond what physically can and cannot be done, so that I can chuckle with the enlightened folks like you!
This does not destroy a single classic Mustang. The name has already been trampled through the dirt by a succession of emasculated pony cars through the 70s, 80s and 90s in which they were all pretty horrid and asthmatic. Comparatively using the name to launch a leccy car is nothing.
Rumblestripe said:
Emotionally attached? Bless.
This does not destroy a single classic Mustang. The name has already been trampled through the dirt by a succession of emasculated pony cars through the 70s, 80s and 90s in which they were all pretty horrid and asthmatic. Comparatively using the name to launch a leccy car is nothing.
The original Mustang had approximately 1 horse power. I don't see what the fuss is about.This does not destroy a single classic Mustang. The name has already been trampled through the dirt by a succession of emasculated pony cars through the 70s, 80s and 90s in which they were all pretty horrid and asthmatic. Comparatively using the name to launch a leccy car is nothing.
tim milne said:
"Once prospective buyers hear that the brand reckons its entire electrified range - set to include 18 models by the end of next year - will save them a total of €30m in fuel bills continent-wide, that trend is likely to accelerate."
Except that once EV sales start to really take hold and Governments begin to lose revenue from fuel taxes, they'll inevitably look at ways of taxing electric vehicles and those savings could evaporate. Now, if this tax is applied via mechanisms like road pricing or if they choose to escalate fuel taxes to help keep incentives in place, that might still make EVs relatively cheap to run compared to ICE vehicles, but the current (pardon the pun) arithmetic won't last.
Might just raise Electricity tariffs. £5 to boil a kettle for a cuppaExcept that once EV sales start to really take hold and Governments begin to lose revenue from fuel taxes, they'll inevitably look at ways of taxing electric vehicles and those savings could evaporate. Now, if this tax is applied via mechanisms like road pricing or if they choose to escalate fuel taxes to help keep incentives in place, that might still make EVs relatively cheap to run compared to ICE vehicles, but the current (pardon the pun) arithmetic won't last.
Alias218 said:
I wonder if anyone will provide a function for allowing BEVs to turn on the spot by allowing the N/S and O/S wheels to rotate in opposite directions, tank-like
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