RE: Europe denied new 387hp Supra by emissions rules

RE: Europe denied new 387hp Supra by emissions rules

Saturday 15th February

Europe denied new 387hp Supra by emissions rules

UK customers won't enjoy the power hike delivered to the US thanks to more stringent emission targets



Toyota has confirmed to PH that it won’t be uprating European versions of its GR Supra to 387hp thanks to the ever-tightening limits of Euro6 legislation. While the US Supra’s output has received a 37hp boost for 2020 with the addition of a new twin scroll turbocharger and different pistons, the inline-six cars in Europe are to be pegged at 340hp with an unchanged technical specification. BMW is held back by the same rules, with its identically-engined Z4 M40i capped at 340hp in Europe, emphasising just how stringent European limits have become on the global stage.

It would be hard to describe the Supra as lacking punch in European trim, with the Gazoo Racing model capable of hitting 62mph in 4.3 seconds and a 155mph limited top speed. But in the US the car faces much larger-engined rivals such as the Dodge Charger, so it’s likely the region’s execs have been pushing for the boost in order to up the model’s competitiveness. In Europe, rivals are also limited by Euro6 restrictions, with the equivalent 718 Cayman, for example, using that ever controversial turbocharged four-pot.

It could very well be pressure from American rivals that has also encouraged Toyota’s decision to launch a new variant over there, the A91 Edition. With just 1,000 to be made, each gets red brake calipers, carbon exterior trim and matte black wheels, as well as an Alcantara-trimmed steering wheel and 8.8-inch touchscreen. The UK line-up remains the same, although there’s still hope for uprated versions later on – as first mooted/requested by Dan in his original review. Indeed, tuner Litchfield has already proven that the 3.0-litre engine is more than capable of extra power; its version has a healthy 450hp.





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WCZ

Original Poster:

7,927 posts

152 months

Friday 14th February
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we aren't going to be in the EU though?

MarJay

2,149 posts

133 months

Friday 14th February
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Sadly we'll end up aligned with EU standards, at least on vehicles as the government have already basically promised it.

Stick Legs

1,137 posts

123 months

Friday 14th February
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1) God it's ugly.
2) If you want one then surely you just grey import it?
3) We are leaving the EU to stop being hamstrung by Brussles regulations and red tape... ...Let me know how that's working out for you.

nikaiyo2

3,127 posts

153 months

Friday 14th February
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Stick Legs said:
1) God it's ugly.
2) If you want one then surely you just grey import it?
Or get a TMC / Bluespark box.

flukey5

156 posts

18 months

Friday 14th February
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Not interested until this car has the manual it deserves. After that, it will be near the top of my list.

Stick Legs

1,137 posts

123 months

Friday 14th February
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nikaiyo2 said:
Stick Legs said:
1) God it's ugly.
2) If you want one then surely you just grey import it?
Or get a TMC / Bluespark box.
Good point, doesn't fix the looks though. wink

I'm only joking about the way it looks, each to their own etc...

Pastor Of Muppets

550 posts

20 months

Friday 14th February
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Stick Legs said:
1) God it's ugly.
QFT. yes

joe1145

193 posts

79 months

Friday 14th February
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Strange that BMW can offer 375BHP in the M340i with the B58, but Toyota cant offer this in the Supra with the B58.

David87

5,698 posts

170 months

Friday 14th February
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Without wishing to be all Brexit-y, this is exactly the sort of thing we should now be able to avoid. Start with the important things and all that. hehe

365daytonafan

282 posts

143 months

Friday 14th February
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Even though we are leaving the EU the UK is still a signatory of the World forum for the harmonisation of vehicle regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harm... so will still be following pretty much the same rules on cars.

The only major countries that are not are the US and Canada which is why the US has the awful red indicators and no one else does.

astrsxi77

302 posts

179 months

Friday 14th February
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Ironic. It used to be North American car enthusiasts looking on in envy at the European market, whose more highly-spec'd and tuned models were unavailable for reasons including their greater emissions and reduced fuel economy. The US-only E60 M5 manual was a strange exception to this.

I suspect this envy switch-around will only get worse if the NA market remains resistant to the ICE downsizing and EV bandwagon currently afflicting Europe.

Gitwhoismiserable

767 posts

81 months

Friday 14th February
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flukey5 said:
Not interested until this car has the manual it deserves. After that, it will be near the top of my list.
bit like the Alpine

Dave Hedgehog

12,906 posts

162 months

Friday 14th February
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365daytonafan said:
Even though we are leaving the EU the UK is still a signatory of the World forum for the harmonisation of vehicle regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harm... so will still be following pretty much the same rules on cars.

The only major countries that are not are the US and Canada which is why the US has the awful red indicators and no one else does.
interesting, did not know this

flukey5

156 posts

18 months

Friday 14th February
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Gitwhoismiserable said:
flukey5 said:
Not interested until this car has the manual it deserves. After that, it will be near the top of my list.
bit like the Alpine
Spot on, a man after my own heart.


seefarr

848 posts

144 months

Friday 14th February
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David87 said:
Without wishing to be all Brexit-y, this is exactly the sort of thing we should now be able to avoid. Start with the important things and all that. hehe
Why should the UK avoid environmental standards once it leaves the EU?

Sam.M

1,299 posts

9 months

Friday 14th February
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seefarr said:
Why should the UK avoid environmental standards once it leaves the EU?
Because sovereignty, or summat.

GTiWILL

516 posts

36 months

Friday 14th February
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It’s more like 375hp anyway, there are numerous dyno tests confirming this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=60cxIFwHJNU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2MQdYO8ls0c



TimoMak

215 posts

13 months

Friday 14th February
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This eco-muppetry is getting out of control..

borat52

226 posts

166 months

Friday 14th February
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seefarr said:
Why should the UK avoid environmental standards once it leaves the EU?
I agree to an extent, in reality though a few high powered supra's aren't going to make a significant difference to global emissions.

Hold the standards high for mainstream cars that bash out 10k's miles every year. For cars with low production volumes that generally do very few miles surely the rules can be relaxed?

The new supra is starting to grow on me.

Trevor555

2,100 posts

42 months

Friday 14th February
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The US gets a higher powered Supra that Europe can't have but they aren't getting the GR Yaris?

Strange.