HELP - was sold a cat A/B car

HELP - was sold a cat A/B car

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Fermit and Sexy Sarah

13,030 posts

101 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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Starfighter said:
Also find out if the home address is owned and get a charge put on the land registry record so you get money if and when it is sold.
This is what I was thinking, in response to the nay-sayers citing if he can't pay/wont.

B'stard Child

28,450 posts

247 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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Do you have the new keepers bit - can’t you tax it on that or does the computer say no when you try?

Plymo

1,152 posts

90 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Starfighter said:
Also find out if the home address is owned and get a charge put on the land registry record so you get money if and when it is sold.
This is what I was thinking, in response to the nay-sayers citing if he can't pay/wont.
It's not the only option either, the full list is here:
https://www.gov.uk/make-court-claim-for-money/enfo...
Attachment of earnings or freezing a bank account is also possible, depending on his financial situation.
Freezing a bank account could be worthwhile, though as I understand it, it has to be done when there's money actually in the account!
Attachment of earnings is a good one if they're PAYE, FB is your friend here...

I was looking at doing it for a claim, but they ended up paying in the end after a little pressure so I didn't have to go down that road.

All that's probably a long way off, and from my experience putting in and winning the claim is very straightforward, actually getting the money is more frustrating but hardly impossible unless they're a complete waster or a barely solvent company!

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Starfighter said:
Also find out if the home address is owned and get a charge put on the land registry record so you get money if and when it is sold.
This is what I was thinking, in response to the nay-sayers citing if he can't pay/wont.
If he owns a house, if he has equity, if you can get the court to agree to a charge.

Then of course he would actually have to sell / move house for the charge to be paid.

The minimum amount you can take someone into bankruptcy for us £5k, this would also then call in all other unsecured debt, which may result in you receiving £1 in the £1 or £0.05 in the £1 as you are bottom of the queue (naturally after the solicitors / trustees have taken their fee); again assuming the chap has any assets from which to pay (most obvious being a property).

Then you get into the realms of equity, joint ownership, only half the equity which equates to less than the unsecured debts ... then it takes 3 years for the trustee to realise the asset of they refuse to play ball, etc, etc.

Edited by Lord.Vader on Thursday 5th March 21:35

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

225 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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B'stard Child said:
Do you have the new keepers bit - can’t you tax it on that or does the computer say no when you try?
There is no V5.

The minute it was written off, DVLA are informed and the V5 is deleted from the system.

V5 must be returned to insurer.



coldel

7,903 posts

147 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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gizlaroc said:
What is that meant to mean?

blah blah blah

Edited by gizlaroc on Thursday 5th March 20:30
Jesus, get back off your soap box. I was talking about not letting the seller, who sold it to the OP, get away with conning him. Christ alive.

Brads67

3,199 posts

99 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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Leylandeye said:
Try that now and see where it gets you.

This isn't Life on Mars or Ashes to Ashes.
Yes it is. It would be the easiest way to get the cash back because no one else will help him.

I'd bet it would be the quickest and easiest way.

B'stard Child

28,450 posts

247 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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gizlaroc said:
B'stard Child said:
Do you have the new keepers bit - can’t you tax it on that or does the computer say no when you try?
There is no V5.

The minute it was written off, DVLA are informed and the V5 is deleted from the system.

V5 must be returned to insurer.
I was too lazy to go back and read the thread again to check

But seeing as you made a catagoric statement I did and this is the relevant quote

Direar said:
well I signed and dated it but I have the new keepers slip yes, what are you thinking?

edit...I remember him saying I didn't have to sign and date as he would do it all online......
So he has a new keepers slip - you know the thing that is normally attached to a V5


CAPP0

19,602 posts

204 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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He has *A* new keeper's slip but does he have *THE* new keeper's slip? I think this was suggested previously, he may not have the correct actual document.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

225 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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B'stard Child said:
gizlaroc said:
B'stard Child said:
Do you have the new keepers bit - can’t you tax it on that or does the computer say no when you try?
There is no V5.

The minute it was written off, DVLA are informed and the V5 is deleted from the system.

V5 must be returned to insurer.
I was too lazy to go back and read the thread again to check

But seeing as you made a catagoric statement I did and this is the relevant quote

Direar said:
well I signed and dated it but I have the new keepers slip yes, what are you thinking?

edit...I remember him saying I didn't have to sign and date as he would do it all online......
So he has a new keepers slip - you know the thing that is normally attached to a V5
I wasn't trying to be a smart arse. I was explaining that once it is written off and DVLA informed by the insurer the 'current' V5 is rescinded.

It doesn't puff into thin air, but the document is taken off the database, it no longer exists.
The owner is told to destroy it, or return it to the insurer.

The same way if you lose one and apply for a new one, the V5 that is lost is taken off the database, you may find it again, but the 11 digit reference code, or the 12 digit code on the V5c/2 green slip, doesn't actually work anymore.

This is part of the issue here, and in many cases, that because there is a physical V5 people think, and why wouldn't they? That it can be used, as the op did and so many on here do.

I think all V5s should be online only now, with the current 'keeper' having a code that needs to be used to change keeper etc. That way you could see at the time if any issues.



gizlaroc

17,251 posts

225 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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CAPP0 said:
He has *A* new keeper's slip but does he have *THE* new keeper's slip? I think this was suggested previously, he may not have the correct actual document.
Yeah, you're right.

Once a Cat B a new V5 can not be issued.

There is no correct V5, never will be for that car.


It used to be the case that you would get an MOT, then a Vehicle Identity Check and if it all matched up a new V5 would be issued, however the VIC was stopped a few years back, so you can't anymore.

Once a Cat B that is it. No V5, therefore no tax, therefore you can't drive it.
Exception would be a tax exempt vehicle.







Edited by gizlaroc on Thursday 5th March 23:10

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

225 months

Thursday 5th March 2020
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coldel said:
Jesus, get back off your soap box. I was talking about not letting the seller, who sold it to the OP, get away with conning him. Christ alive.
Blimey!
I wasn't having a go at you.

I read your post as the OP was trying to con someone if he sold it on.

I think it was because you put .... "so far" and "try and prevent a con by someone selling this car on". The con has already happened, so presumed you were talking future tense.

coldel said:
PHers have done a great job so far investigating to try and prevent a con by someone selling this car on. Strive to win!
I wanted to reassure the OP that he wouldn't be and it is perfectly fine as long as he is completely honest.

Sorry if I misunderstood, and if that upset you.

But I did think it important the OP knew he could sell it on legally and what needs to be put in the advert.

Edited by gizlaroc on Friday 6th March 10:39

Fastpedeller

3,875 posts

147 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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gizlaroc said:
Exception would be a tax exempt vehicle.
No it wouldn't - A 'tax exempt' vehicle still has a V5, and has to have 'road fund licence' (although it's zero cost), and if there is no insurance it has to be SORN. Same rules apply.

TonyRPH

12,977 posts

169 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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This has to be something of a record for PH surely?

All the way to 17 pages before a disagreement broke out.

3 - 4 pages is the norm!

Jazoli

9,104 posts

251 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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17 pages? It's currently 5 pages.

Higgs boson

1,098 posts

154 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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Jazoli said:
17 pages? It's currently 5 pages.
'depends on your setup ... it's 17 pages for me.

dibblecorse

6,883 posts

193 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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Higgs boson said:
Jazoli said:
17 pages? It's currently 5 pages.
'depends on your setup ... it's 17 pages for me.
Yep, not everyone has setting to '50 posts per page' so their view always looks like theres lots of pages, annoys me so I have mine set like yours Jazoli, far easier to view ...

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

225 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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TonyRPH said:
This has to be something of a record for PH surely?

All the way to 17 pages before a disagreement broke out.

3 - 4 pages is the norm!
I do wonder about this place these days.

Everyone seems to be so defensive and take everything so personally.



gizlaroc

17,251 posts

225 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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Fastpedeller said:
gizlaroc said:
Exception would be a tax exempt vehicle.
No it wouldn't - A 'tax exempt' vehicle still has a V5, and has to have 'road fund licence' (although it's zero cost), and if there is no insurance it has to be SORN. Same rules apply.
Cool.

So no vehicle then in that case.

Once classed a Cat B, the moment the insurer notifies DVLA it that is that. Off the road.

Direar

Original Poster:

92 posts

50 months

Friday 6th March 2020
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guys do you think I should send a politely worded message through messanger just letting him know ill be going ahead with a claim with some of the facts???

7 days he hasn't replied to my 2 recorded letters I sent.