RE: Range Rover Velar SVA vs Cayenne Coupe Turbo

[Gitwhoismiserable]

Plate spinner said:

The article is from PistonHeads and provides the info.

This section is for opinions and comments from anyone who signs up.

I can see you’re easily confused so HTH you get a grasp of the basics

What do you mean I was thanking the poster for his insightful thoughts

[Fire99]

Though I still think the front of the Velar has more than a passing nod to 'Slimer' from Ghostbusters and the rear tailpipe surrounds have all the authenticity of the 'doubled-up' graphic equalizer sliders on an 80s Amstrad HiFi, it certainly looks far better value than the Cayenne. Let's not gloss over the fact that as tested there is 40 grand of difference between the two.
The Cayenne has all the front end prestige of an over-inflated Kia Sportage and the rear looks like they forgot to style it at all.

I still have grave concerns that the ownership experience of the RR would be at best frustrating and at worst unacceptable and the supercharged V8 is certainly of its time, but if I only had the choice from these two, the RR would be the only one I could in any way feel I hadn't had my backside smacked.

(The Porsche is at no point a £100k+ car)

[Phil Dicky]

9k rpm said:

mooseracer said:

"The Velar needs to summon its efforts with a slight hesitation as the gearbox works out which ratio to switch to, the turbos build boost and the engine's oily bits gather momentum "


Really?

A bit concerning! Makes you wonder if the people writing this drivel actually know anything about cars and thus making their opinions completely irrelevant.

I notice no one has put their name to the article!

Jesus that's embarrassing.

[Andeh1]

FoxtrotOscar1 said:

Andeh1 said:

Gotta give JLR credit here, competing with a vehicle £20k+ more expensive, designed by the behemoth that is VAG and able to hold it's own!! Impressive in it's own right.

You talk as if JLR are Caterham. Not quite the case though is it?

But when the VW group produce 11 million cars to JLR's 600,000..... A nearly 20x difference, my point still stands. The parts bin engineering, scale of economy & supplier integration suggest to me JLR is punching well above it's weight.

[Krikkit]

Andeh1 said:

FoxtrotOscar1 said:

Andeh1 said:

Gotta give JLR credit here, competing with a vehicle £20k+ more expensive, designed by the behemoth that is VAG and able to hold it's own!! Impressive in it's own right.

You talk as if JLR are Caterham. Not quite the case though is it?

But when the VW group produce 11 million cars to JLR's 600,000..... A nearly 20x difference, my point still stands. The parts bin engineering, scale of economy & supplier integration suggest to me JLR is punching well above it's weight.

Even just restricting it to Porsche rather then the whole group, it's still a massive offset in size.

I'd have the Velar out of these two- the sportier one looks alright, and who can argue with a supercharger V8? Enjoy it while you can.

[Wills2]

I like them both but the Cayenne's interior is lovely the hounds tooth cloth looks cool, I really like these high power SAVs there is something amusing about being to shift to 100mph in around 8 seconds in a 2 tonne beast.

[Cold]

Andeh1 said:

But when the VW group produce 11 million cars to JLR's 600,000..... A nearly 20x difference, my point still stands. The parts bin engineering, scale of economy & supplier integration suggest to me JLR is punching well above it's weight.

Interestingly in the article, the Jaguar sibling is highlighted more than once. However, the Porsche's more down to earth brethren don't get a mention.

[RobEB]

a 2 and a bit tonne vehicle should not be able to reach 60mph in under 4 seconds, its mental.
I'd wager Porsche sells more of these than LR does, simply down to perceived quality.

[Gitwhoismiserable]

RobEB said:

a 2 and a bit tonne vehicle should not be able to reach 60mph in under 4 seconds, its mental.
I'd wager Porsche sells more of these than LR does, simply down to perceived quality.

Is 4.1 seconds ok ?

[GT3hopeful]

Nothing in article about stopping distances. Drove a new base cayenne as courtesy car and reminded me that these heavyweights can go fast but scary if you need to stop in a hurry. Glad I don’t need one.

[ZX10R NIN]

Did that 127k Cayenne have half leather?

I have to say that if I'm buying a performance SUV then at 80k+ I'm buying THE performance SUV & then I'm stoking it up to nearer 900bhp with money left over from buying the Cayenne.

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[Sandpit Steve]

Andeh1 said:

Gotta give JLR credit here, competing with a vehicle £20k+ more expensive, designed by the behemoth that is VAG and able to hold it's own!! Impressive in it's own right.

Yes, fair play to JLR for this not being a completely one-sided contest. We all know the Cayenne Turbo is a total monster of a car.

[akashzimzimma]

: ..a slight hesitation as the gearbox works out which ratio to switch to, the turbos build boost and the engine's oily bits gather momentum"

The Velar is Supercharged Not Turbocharged!
That is always why it has less low down torque than the twin turbo Porsche.

[PhantomPH]

Not to be too negative, but are JLR having a laugh with the tailpipe design fakery here? Aside from being fake (as a previous posted mentioned) they are also disproportionately large. Perhaps if they were black rather than silver, it might not be that bad.

Not good. Not good.

[Mouse Rat]

My word that Porsche is ugly. I'm sure its a good car but I cannot see passed the looks. I'm shallow.

We went to look at the Velar last week as in theory it makes a good family / shuttle / skip wagon. It looks and drives well but too small inside. The roofline is way to low at the rear and that slopping lower dash protrudes into the knee area when driving.

These vehicles just seem to offer no advantage over a 4x4 or estate, unfortunately the worst of both worlds.

[flatso]

I drove one of these Cayenne Turbo e-hybrid 2 weeks ago. I have to say that I never understood the point of these, but came away utterly impressed with how it drives. I now see why some will choose these over estates, the increased sense of space and commanding view inspires a feeling of confidence.

[Miserablegit]

A more realistic choice might have been between a FFRR if we are talking about a £127k Porsche

[Phil Dicky]

Miserablegit said:

A more realistic choice might have been between a FFRR if we are talking about a £127k Porsche

On price but not vehicle size.

[Wills2]

Miserablegit said:

A more realistic choice might have been between a FFRR if we are talking about a £127k Porsche

I don't think you can view the FFRR as a sporting bus in comparsion to the Cayenne Turbo, the RRS SVR would be a closer match than the FFRR.

[Gitwhoismiserable]

Wills2 said:

I don't think you can view the FFRR as a sporting bus in comparsion to the Cayenne Turbo, the RRS SVR would be a closer match than the FFRR.

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