RE: Range Rover Velar SVA vs Cayenne Coupe Turbo

[Ares]

R.Sole said:

Ares said:

R.Sole said:

Ares said:

JLH Warren said:

I know which one will be worth less after 3 yrs and its not the Porsche.

Only the foolish will buy these new though...... Depreciation becomes a non-issue.

Renting is the way forward!

No. Renting is expensive. Leasing is a lot cheaper. PCP less so.

“Initial rental”.

Renting is still expensive. Leasing is still a lot cheaper. PCP is still less so.

Ignorance is still ignorance. Immaturity is still immaturity. Irrational hatred about other people's choice is still pathetic " "

[NomduJour]

Water Fairy said:

Both of these are well over 2 tonnes. I have to ask why? I mean, seriously why? We're supposed to be getting greener and leaner.

Shame that an electric equivalent is so much heavier (a Tesla Model X 100D is over 350kg more than the V8 Velar) - with so little pollution coming out of the exhaust of new cars, when is the focus going to change to the big increase in tyre and brake particulates left in the wake of much heavier EVs?

[Ares]

Sford said:

Water Fairy said:

Both of these are well over 2 tonnes. I have to ask why? I mean, seriously why? We're supposed to be getting greener and leaner.

This in spades. Just because you have a PHEV/electric car doesn't mean you are saving the environment. Just means that morally you can lord it over the normos who have a standard car. You want eco, go buy a light weight car for commuting in.

If you want Eco, ride a bike. But life gets in the way.

[R.Sole]

Ares said:

R.Sole said:

Ares said:

R.Sole said:

Ares said:

JLH Warren said:

I know which one will be worth less after 3 yrs and its not the Porsche.

Only the foolish will buy these new though...... Depreciation becomes a non-issue.

Renting is the way forward!

No. Renting is expensive. Leasing is a lot cheaper. PCP less so.

“Initial rental”.

Renting is still expensive. Leasing is still a lot cheaper. PCP is still less so.

Ignorance is still ignorance. Immaturity is still immaturity. Irrational hatred about other people's choice is still pathetic " "

Small man syndrome!

I remember you spouting about your “wealth manager” and how your investments were paying for your mumflies,
How’s that working out this month?

Edited by R.Sole on Tuesday 10th March 12:56

[Ares]

R.Sole said:

Ares said:

R.Sole said:

Ares said:

R.Sole said:

Ares said:

JLH Warren said:

I know which one will be worth less after 3 yrs and its not the Porsche.

Only the foolish will buy these new though...... Depreciation becomes a non-issue.

Renting is the way forward!

No. Renting is expensive. Leasing is a lot cheaper. PCP less so.

“Initial rental”.

Renting is still expensive. Leasing is still a lot cheaper. PCP is still less so.

Ignorance is still ignorance. Immaturity is still immaturity. Irrational hatred about other people's choice is still pathetic " "

Small man syndrome!

I remember you spouting about your “wealth manager” and how your investments were paying for your mumflies,
How’s that working out this month?

Edited by R.Sole on Tuesday 10th March 12:56

I agree, you do appear to suffer from it.

And you are remembering wrong, that's someone else you are trolling. I've never claimed my investments are paying for anything.

[R.Sole]

Ares said:

I agree, you do appear to suffer from it.

And you are remembering wrong, that's someone else you are trolling. I've never claimed my investments are paying for anything.

We saw the kiddies bike you ride!

You used the “huge” gains as a reason to not “buy” but invest the capital!

[Ares]

R.Sole said:

Ares said:

I agree, you do appear to suffer from it.

And you are remembering wrong, that's someone else you are trolling. I've never claimed my investments are paying for anything.

We saw the kiddies bike you ride!

You used the “huge” gains as a reason to not “buy” but invest the capital!

Again, you are wrong. The only reason I lease my car is because it is by far the best cheapest option. Again, you are mistaking me for someone else you are trolling.

As for my bikes, the only kiddie's bike in my garage is my daughter's. I think I have only ever put pictures of two of my bikes on here, the cheapest of which was £6,000. Not really kiddie material. And as you are so bothered about ownership (and gambling your cash on a car), all my bikes were bought for cash.

[nickfrog]

Sford said:

Just means that morally you can lord it over the normos who have a standard car.

I am sure there are some people like that, which does not mean they represent the majority. The same way as some people have a chip on their shoulder about SUVs and read too much into things but don't represent a majority of "normos" either, thankfully.

Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 10th March 16:03

[berlintaxi]

JLH Warren said:

I know which one will be worth less after 3 yrs and its not the Porsche.

You waited 2 years to post that.

[Gitwhoismiserable]

berlintaxi said:

JLH Warren said:

I know which one will be worth less after 3 yrs and its not the Porsche.

You waited 2 years to post that.

His choice, is that allowed?

[fatboy b]

I hired a D180 Velar in Italy last week. Yes I know it doesn’t compare to the cars here, but much of the interior is the same. While it generally looks good, it rattled like a good ‘un. Expect to have it in the dealer to sort lots of quality issues.

[berlintaxi]

Gitwhoismiserable said:

berlintaxi said:

JLH Warren said:

I know which one will be worth less after 3 yrs and its not the Porsche.

You waited 2 years to post that.

His choice, is that allowed?

Who are you, his mum?

[Gitwhoismiserable]

berlintaxi said:

Who are you, his mum?

Mature post

[ZX10R NIN]

Ares said:

JLH Warren said:

I know which one will be worth less after 3 yrs and its not the Porsche.

Only the foolish will buy these new though...... Depreciation becomes a non-issue.

The Velar may be worth less but it was cheaper to start with also you tend to find the Porsche loses more initially then it steadies off but they then depreciate at a similar rate.

[DonkeyApple]

Either way, you don’t have to worry about it if you can afford it. Both nice cars, both huge fun to hustle along and then be good for lugging a family about. No one is going to care if one works out 10 or 20k more over a few years other than a car enthusiast who is pushing themselves to get the wagon of their dreams or a brand enthusiast.

[R.Sole]

DonkeyApple said:

Either way, you don’t have to worry about it if you can afford it. Both nice cars, both huge fun to hustle along and then be good for lugging a family about. No one is going to care if one works out 10 or 20k more over a few years other than a car enthusiast who is pushing themselves to get the wagon of their dreams or a brand enthusiast.

If you can afford the monthlies....

[Ares]

ZX10R NIN said:

Ares said:

JLH Warren said:

I know which one will be worth less after 3 yrs and its not the Porsche.

Only the foolish will buy these new though...... Depreciation becomes a non-issue.

The Velar may be worth less but it was cheaper to start with also you tend to find the Porsche loses more initially then it steadies off but they then depreciate at a similar rate.

True, but historically the Porsche is more expensive to lease, as well as more expensive to buy.

[Cobnapint]

PhantomPH said:

Not to be too negative, but are JLR having a laugh with the tailpipe design fakery here? Aside from being fake (as a previous posted mentioned) they are also disproportionately large. Perhaps if they were black rather than silver, it might not be that bad.

Not good. Not good.

Many cars have fake tailpipes these days but I must admit, I did let out a 'WTF' when I saw these monstrosities.
Totally vulgar. What the hell are they thinking.

[Cobnapint]

NomduJour said:

Shame that an electric equivalent is so much heavier (a Tesla Model X 100D is over 350kg more than the V8 Velar) - with so little pollution coming out of the exhaust of new cars, when is the focus going to change to the big increase in tyre and brake particulates left in the wake of much heavier EVs?

Totally agree. You only have to see how much brake dust collects on your own alloys to realise how much must be going into the air.
Makes you wonder what percentage of roadside particulate surveys is actually brake dust rather than being all diesel soot.

And just where does all our tyre rubber mysteriously go? Road surface to storm drain, to water treatment works to cold tap. There must be a hell of a lot of rubber - somewhere.

[fatboy b]

Cobnapint said:

NomduJour said:

Shame that an electric equivalent is so much heavier (a Tesla Model X 100D is over 350kg more than the V8 Velar) - with so little pollution coming out of the exhaust of new cars, when is the focus going to change to the big increase in tyre and brake particulates left in the wake of much heavier EVs?

Totally agree. You only have to see how much brake dust collects on your own alloys to realise how much must be going into the air.
Makes you wonder what percentage of roadside particulate surveys is actually brake dust rather than being all diesel soot.

And just where does all our tyre rubber mysteriously go? Road surface to storm drain, to water treatment works to cold tap. There must be a hell of a lot of rubber - somewhere.

FFS