RE: Jaguar F-Type | PH Used Buying Guide
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LucyP said:
The problem with the F-Type is that it has always been a bodge job. They saw the Porsche success. The XK was a typical old man, gin and Jag, trip to the golf club car, and they needed something more sporty and to attract a younger market. The problem was that they had no money, and so all they could do was cut down the XK platform, which is why the F-Type is too wide and too heavy and the boot on the convertible is just ridiculous. Any Ferrari has more boot space. And the price was ridiculous. Priced like a 911 with the space of a Boxster. And younger market to Jaguar meant a blaring exhaust and that embarrassing racket on start-up, as if they were trying to tempt a chav - straight from a Corsa with a drain-pipe sized, similarly blaring exhaust.
And then they fell into the Aston-Martin trap of changing the specification and the badging every 5 minutes.
And in true Jaguar style, because it was a low volume car and because there was no money, it wasn't reliable. The panel fit has been talked about often, and the answer seems to be - it will do for a low volume car and it isn't worth fixing for the same reason. Imagine Porsche saying that! Hence the fact that except for 2 years, a long time ago, in the US, it was outsold by Porsche.
I know it might come as a shock to you but not everyone wants a poxy silver 911, the F-type to a lot of people, me included looks far better than any Porsche.And then they fell into the Aston-Martin trap of changing the specification and the badging every 5 minutes.
And in true Jaguar style, because it was a low volume car and because there was no money, it wasn't reliable. The panel fit has been talked about often, and the answer seems to be - it will do for a low volume car and it isn't worth fixing for the same reason. Imagine Porsche saying that! Hence the fact that except for 2 years, a long time ago, in the US, it was outsold by Porsche.
Raygun said:
F-type to a lot of people, me included, looks far better than any Porsche.
It can look any way it likes but regrettably there's been no "lot of people" who actually want to buy the car - hence bargains in the used market.IMO F-type is an interesting car, although it's not obvious what it's for. The natural habitat of Jag coupes used to be a short drive to the golf club but that role is now fulfilled by an army of identikit SUVs.
LucyP said:
The problem with the F-Type is that it has always been a bodge job. They saw the Porsche success. The XK was a typical old man, gin and Jag, trip to the golf club car, and they needed something more sporty and to attract a younger market. The problem was that they had no money, and so all they could do was cut down the XK platform, which is why the F-Type is too wide and too heavy and the boot on the convertible is just ridiculous. Any Ferrari has more boot space. And the price was ridiculous. Priced like a 911 with the space of a Boxster. And younger market to Jaguar meant a blaring exhaust and that embarrassing racket on start-up, as if they were trying to tempt a chav - straight from a Corsa with a drain-pipe sized, similarly blaring exhaust.
And then they fell into the Aston-Martin trap of changing the specification and the badging every 5 minutes.
And in true Jaguar style, because it was a low volume car and because there was no money, it wasn't reliable. The panel fit has been talked about often, and the answer seems to be - it will do for a low volume car and it isn't worth fixing for the same reason. Imagine Porsche saying that! Hence the fact that except for 2 years, a long time ago, in the US, it was outsold by Porsche.
I had a 14 plate V6s convertible in 2015, so an early car. It was a very nice, very comfy and effortlessly quick car. Only had the pinion seal leak on mine, fixed under warranty without me even knowing it was leaking.And then they fell into the Aston-Martin trap of changing the specification and the badging every 5 minutes.
And in true Jaguar style, because it was a low volume car and because there was no money, it wasn't reliable. The panel fit has been talked about often, and the answer seems to be - it will do for a low volume car and it isn't worth fixing for the same reason. Imagine Porsche saying that! Hence the fact that except for 2 years, a long time ago, in the US, it was outsold by Porsche.
They were never priced like a 911, as a 911 'starts from' you have to add various options and then its 10-15k more, though i will concede the f type had some strange options!
I now have a brand new 74k + 718 cayman Gts. The f type, in just about every aspect i look at in cars is better than the 718 c, ill also add the jaguar rattled less, was quieter on a cruise and sounded amazing when pressing on!
Try one if you haven't, they're a great car.
rockin said:
IMO F-type is an interesting car, although it's not obvious what it's for. The natural habitat of Jag coupes used to be a short drive to the golf club but that role is now fulfilled by an army of identikit SUVs.
I don't really get the golf club association with Jags just like I don't get the 'Chinless Wonder' association with Porsche owners.I've owned my R for over a year and it's been faultless and there's very little I don't like about it.
Sure I wish it was lighter but I could say that about all cars. It's in the same ball park as a 991 Turbo, R8 V10, AMG GTS, V12V and a match in terms of bhp/tonne.
Now that they've depreciated I don't understand why they're not more popular.
- Great looks
- Massive power
- Superb low slung driving position
- Sounds like thunder when the exhaust valves are opened
- Decent handling
- Reasonably refined and comfortable when you're in D
- Reasonable boot space (in the Coupe)
- Easy 25mpg when you don't extend that glorious supercharged V8
- It's British
Maybe the problem is that they're not really a sports car, GT or supercar, but something inbetween.
Sure I wish it was lighter but I could say that about all cars. It's in the same ball park as a 991 Turbo, R8 V10, AMG GTS, V12V and a match in terms of bhp/tonne.
Now that they've depreciated I don't understand why they're not more popular.
- Great looks
- Massive power
- Superb low slung driving position
- Sounds like thunder when the exhaust valves are opened
- Decent handling
- Reasonably refined and comfortable when you're in D
- Reasonable boot space (in the Coupe)
- Easy 25mpg when you don't extend that glorious supercharged V8
- It's British
Maybe the problem is that they're not really a sports car, GT or supercar, but something inbetween.
LeoSayer said:
Maybe the problem is that they're not really a sports car, GT or supercar, but something inbetween.
Agree and it is quite a difficult car to pigeon hole. If you wanted a sports car this wouldn't be on the list...and if you wanted a GT I don't see it on the list either. It is for the noise and the looks that I would buy it for though.
I have had 4x911s a 1982 911, 930, 993 and 996 and a Boxster S.
During that time noone seemed to notice the cars, smiled or even commented.
Everywhere I go in the F Type, people seem to look at the car and smile. When parking people come up and want to talk about the car.
At least Joe Public seem to appreciate a beautiful British design.
This car also makes me smile far more than any of the Porsche cars I had even if they were probably better "sports" cars.
During that time noone seemed to notice the cars, smiled or even commented.
Everywhere I go in the F Type, people seem to look at the car and smile. When parking people come up and want to talk about the car.
At least Joe Public seem to appreciate a beautiful British design.
This car also makes me smile far more than any of the Porsche cars I had even if they were probably better "sports" cars.
LeoSayer said:
I've owned my R for over a year and it's been faultless and there's very little I don't like about it.
Sure I wish it was lighter but I could say that about all cars. It's in the same ball park as a 991 Turbo, R8 V10, AMG GTS, V12V and a match in terms of bhp/tonne.
Now that they've depreciated I don't understand why they're not more popular.
- Great looks
- Massive power
- Superb low slung driving position
- Sounds like thunder when the exhaust valves are opened
- Decent handling
- Reasonably refined and comfortable when you're in D
- Reasonable boot space (in the Coupe)
- Easy 25mpg when you don't extend that glorious supercharged V8
- It's British
Maybe the problem is that they're not really a sports car, GT or supercar, but something inbetween.
Having had an 2017 R AWD convertible for nearly two years now I would agree with all of the above. Makes me smile every time I drive it and has been faultless, unlike the two boxsters I owned before it. I even think the boot space is OK if you pack carefully. People approach me at work, petrol stations etc. all the time to comment on how great the car is. Literally no-one did the same during my previous 12 years of Porsche ownership. Sure I wish it was lighter but I could say that about all cars. It's in the same ball park as a 991 Turbo, R8 V10, AMG GTS, V12V and a match in terms of bhp/tonne.
Now that they've depreciated I don't understand why they're not more popular.
- Great looks
- Massive power
- Superb low slung driving position
- Sounds like thunder when the exhaust valves are opened
- Decent handling
- Reasonably refined and comfortable when you're in D
- Reasonable boot space (in the Coupe)
- Easy 25mpg when you don't extend that glorious supercharged V8
- It's British
Maybe the problem is that they're not really a sports car, GT or supercar, but something inbetween.
Edited by Porkamoo on Tuesday 10th March 11:35
Megaflow said:
I’ve been looking longingly at the coupe for a year or so now, but the guide seems to confirm what I feared, not very reliable.
On the F Type forum only real issues are potential weak diff seals on certain years, the forum has a running total of members cars with this issue..5 at the latest count. Easy to see and then negotiate to have replaced with the upgraded seals if you are looking to buy the car. Recollect weeping seals are not restricted to Jaguars also a well known German marque has a few issues! At least JLR acknowledged this and either replace the seals or the whole diff.Similarly cross brace surface rust, new parts are about £700 negotiate to have them replaced if needed or your local garage can take the parts off and have shot blasted and powder coated for not a lot of money.
Active exhaust valves can stick but easy to free off on a ramp and apply some high temperature grease.
If you are really keen I wouldn't let reliability put you off, I am into my 4th year JLR replaced my diff and the cross braces that's it nothing else has been needed.
Raygun said:
rockin said:
The natural habitat of Jag coupes used to be a short drive to the golf club but that role is now fulfilled by an army of identikit SUVs.
I don't really get the golf club association with Jags...https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/jaguar/f-type/c...
Raygun said:
rockin said:
IMO F-type is an interesting car, although it's not obvious what it's for. The natural habitat of Jag coupes used to be a short drive to the golf club but that role is now fulfilled by an army of identikit SUVs.
I don't really get the golf club association with Jags just like I don't get the 'Chinless Wonder' association with Porsche owners.A white coupe flew into our close on Saturday and it did make me say 'wow' out loud which has to be a good thing. Alas, clearly a mate in a clapped-out MINI had spotted him and decided to chase him into the close and pull up right in front of my drive for a natter. Moved on once I started the engine, thankfully.
These are a distraction in Mrs PB's terms. She knows how much I love Porsche, but I get distracted by other stuff. I've no doubt one of these would be just the thing but, as I drive a Disco Sport at the moment, JLR reliability would worry me.
Quite the bargain by the looks of it though.
These are a distraction in Mrs PB's terms. She knows how much I love Porsche, but I get distracted by other stuff. I've no doubt one of these would be just the thing but, as I drive a Disco Sport at the moment, JLR reliability would worry me.
Quite the bargain by the looks of it though.
I would echo the other ex Porsche owners. I found the f type a real feel good car to both drive and live with. Other road users treat you well and enjoy chatting about them. I likewise didn’t get that with the Porsche cars - other than with a GT3 which seemed to have the same effect with enthusiasts.
swisstoni said:
Raygun said:
rockin said:
IMO F-type is an interesting car, although it's not obvious what it's for. The natural habitat of Jag coupes used to be a short drive to the golf club but that role is now fulfilled by an army of identikit SUVs.
I don't really get the golf club association with Jags just like I don't get the 'Chinless Wonder' association with Porsche owners.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff