Coronavirus = empty roads

Coronavirus = empty roads

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Zoobeef

4,900 posts

113 months

Thursday 26th March
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smartypants said:
They certainly do. We’re quite a way behind the date line of Italy, and they seem to be just flattening off now (fingers crossed!) We’re very much still on an upward trajectory, and probably nearly a month behind.
Just keep manipulating the figures to suit yourself.

The imperial college (that started this whole worry) have moved their estimates down to maybe 5700 will die with the highest being 270 on 05/04/2020. I imagine itll be alot lower than that.

Not anywhere near on par with Spain or italy.

Thesprucegoose

23,079 posts

150 months

Thursday 26th March
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Isn't it that the prevelance of self entitlement, means a lot think the rules/guidelines don't apply to them, only to others no matter what.

kiethton

11,565 posts

135 months

Thursday 26th March
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Zoobeef said:
Which dont show anything like what you're fear mongering.
^^^ this.

A function of our household from and population we’ll not get to Italy/Spain levels

Boosted LS1

19,047 posts

215 months

Thursday 26th March
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smartypants said:
Zoobeef said:
Which dont show anything like what you're fear mongering.
They certainly do. We’re quite a way behind the date line of Italy, and they seem to be just flattening off now (fingers crossed!) We’re very much still on an upward trajectory, and probably nearly a month behind.
This may not be so but it's early days as to how steep the curve is. There was an interesting statistician on Jeremy Vine today. I can't agree or disagree with him but I think one of the Oxbridge Uni's was suggesting half the population may already have had c19 and if so our death toll could be lower. Also there are encouraging signs due to our self isolation policy. I guess we need another week or so to see what the trend is. The flaw in the theory may be that nobody noticed an unusual number of deaths.

kiethton

11,565 posts

135 months

Thursday 26th March
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Zoobeef said:
smartypants said:
They certainly do. We’re quite a way behind the date line of Italy, and they seem to be just flattening off now (fingers crossed!) We’re very much still on an upward trajectory, and probably nearly a month behind.
Just keep manipulating the figures to suit yourself.

The imperial college (that started this whole worry) have moved their estimates down to maybe 5700 will die with the highest being 270 on 05/04/2020. I imagine itll be alot lower than that.

Not anywhere near on par with Spain or italy.
^^ bang on, a fraction of Italy, Spain and the USA

smartypants

44,647 posts

124 months

Thursday 26th March
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Zoobeef said:
Just keep manipulating the figures to suit yourself.

The imperial college (that started this whole worry) have moved their estimates down to maybe 5700 will die with the highest being 270 on 05/04/2020. I imagine itll be alot lower than that.

Not anywhere near on par with Spain or italy.
I’m only looking at the figures and projecting. We’ve implemented excellent measures at the right times and fortunate to have seen it coming, so we have every chance. But it relies on everyone behaving as told for at least a month.

The government don’t turn the Excel centre into a 4000 capacity hospital if we’re expecting only a handful of cases.


Boosted LS1

19,047 posts

215 months

Thursday 26th March
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Antony Moxey said:
Boosted LS1 said:
I've said no such thing. My understanding is that I can walk, ride, excercise out doors. Which part of that can't you comprehend given that I'm alone?
The part where you seem to be suggesting ‘ride’ means riding a motorbike to a remote location to carry out your exercise of choice. Apologies if I’ve got that wrong, however the government’s instructions about unnecessary journeys shouldn’t be ignored just because we think we know better and it’s only us on our own.
I have a pushbike not a motorbike ffs. Really!

smartypants

44,647 posts

124 months

Thursday 26th March
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Boosted LS1 said:
This may not be so but it's early days as to how steep the curve is. There was an interesting statistician on Jeremy Vine today. I can't agree or disagree with him but I think one of the Oxbridge Uni's was suggesting half the population may already have had c19 and if so our death toll could be lower. Also there are encouraging signs due to our self isolation policy. I guess we need another week or so to see what the trend is. The flaw in the theory may be that nobody noticed an unusual number of deaths.
There is actually a lot of truth in that. I think we may have had it and got immune. We also are a healthy and quite spread out nation, and don’t tend to travel a lot. Spain has had the issues because everyone fled the cities into their holiday homes and spread it far and wide. Which is why we have been so harsh on people doing the same here out of London

London will see many many more deaths I think, but it could just be limited there.

Again if we listen to what we’re told to do, we will get out of this in great shape. The death toll number is not he one to worry about it’s the the burden on the infrastructure and killing our economy that’s the issue.


Zoobeef

4,900 posts

113 months

Thursday 26th March
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smartypants said:
I’m only looking at the figures and projecting. We’ve implemented excellent measures at the right times and fortunate to have seen it coming, so we have every chance. But it relies on everyone behaving as told for at least a month.

The government don’t turn the Excel centre into a 4000 capacity hospital if we’re expecting only a handful of cases.
No they dont, that's because they were told that in a best case situation hundreds of thousands would still die.
A government that ignored that advice would be suicide if it happened.

Boosted LS1

19,047 posts

215 months

Thursday 26th March
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Doofus said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Because I'm not as stupid as you, blindly following the panic and adding hysteria to it. The PM says we can go out for a walk, run etc. Take one form of exercise a day and this is what I'm doing whilst being safe about it. It's not difficult.

Read the first link and see what you're guilty of.
I walk my dog each day, and so does my wife. We are doing so from our front door, without making any unnecessary journeys. We're not 'blindly following the panic'; we're doing what every single one of us has been asked to do. Most of us are doing it because all the evidence suggests it's the right thing ro do, and we don't see this as some sort of Billy Big bks contest, as you seem to do.

I'm not being hysterical, I'm being incredulous.
I'm allowed to go out. Don't you get it? If you don't grasp the basics then I'd suggest you keep your family in and clean up the dogst in the kitchen. Your family are a greater risk then me. You don't need to take the dogs out but assessed the risk just like I've done. You could kennel them and remain indoors.





Edited by Boosted LS1 on Thursday 26th March 22:20

smartypants

44,647 posts

124 months

Thursday 26th March
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Zoobeef said:
No they dont, that's because they were told that in a best case situation hundreds of thousands would still die.
A government that ignored that advice would be suicide if it happened.
No they didn’t. Any intelligent person can see that this in numbers will not kill any more than a standard flu does every year. However this is a new one, it’s very contagious it takes a long time to get sick, a long time to die and therefore sucks up resources. No one is worried about the death count, it’s the economic problems that it will cause. If you haven’t noticed already smile

G_Morto

379 posts

13 months

Thursday 26th March
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smartypants said:
There is actually a lot of truth in that. I think we may have had it and got immune. We also are a healthy and quite spread out nation, and don’t tend to travel a lot. Spain has had the issues because everyone fled the cities into their holiday homes and spread it far and wide. Which is why we have been so harsh on people doing the same here out of London

London will see many many more deaths I think, but it could just be limited there.

Again if we listen to what we’re told to do, we will get out of this in great shape. The death toll number is not he one to worry about it’s the the burden on the infrastructure and killing our economy that’s the issue.
We're a "healthy nation"? hahahaha good one

smartypants

44,647 posts

124 months

Thursday 26th March
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G_Morto said:
We're a "healthy nation"? hahahaha good one
Ok we’re fat, but our healthcare is pretty good smile

Zoobeef

4,900 posts

113 months

Thursday 26th March
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smartypants said:
No they didn’t. Any intelligent person can see that this in numbers will not kill any more than a standard flu does every year. However this is a new one, it’s very contagious it takes a long time to get sick, a long time to die and therefore sucks up resources. No one is worried about the death count, it’s the economic problems that it will cause. If you haven’t noticed already smile
The economic problems have come from the reaction to the thoughts that hundreds of thousands will die. If the government had had more accurate information they would have gone down a different route.

Boosted LS1

19,047 posts

215 months

Thursday 26th March
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smartypants said:
Boosted LS1 said:
This may not be so but it's early days as to how steep the curve is. There was an interesting statistician on Jeremy Vine today. I can't agree or disagree with him but I think one of the Oxbridge Uni's was suggesting half the population may already have had c19 and if so our death toll could be lower. Also there are encouraging signs due to our self isolation policy. I guess we need another week or so to see what the trend is. The flaw in the theory may be that nobody noticed an unusual number of deaths.
There is actually a lot of truth in that. I think we may have had it and got immune. We also are a healthy and quite spread out nation, and don’t tend to travel a lot. Spain has had the issues because everyone fled the cities into their holiday homes and spread it far and wide. Which is why we have been so harsh on people doing the same here out of London

London will see many many more deaths I think, but it could just be limited there.

Again if we listen to what we’re told to do, we will get out of this in great shape. The death toll number is not he one to worry about it’s the the burden on the infrastructure and killing our economy that’s the issue.
I've felt for a while that Boris and this government have had a good plan for this. The idea that we slowly get infected and build immunity is a good idea that may help the NHS as well as sparing older people given time. Other countries don't appear to have had this forethought, they maybe didn't have time.

Greshamst

1,092 posts

75 months

Thursday 26th March
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I have to go one junction on the M1 to get to the supermarket. It was glorious today. Not a single car in lanes 3 and 4 as far as the eye could see, just lorries trundling down lanes 1&2.

Would have loved to go for a proper drive but alas, straight home after picking up my weekly food.

Lincsls1

1,427 posts

95 months

Thursday 26th March
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Greshamst said:
I have to go one junction on the M1 to get to the supermarket. It was glorious today. Not a single car in lanes 3 and 4 as far as the eye could see, just lorries trundling down lanes 1&2.

Would have loved to go for a proper drive but alas, straight home after picking up my weekly food.
Did you see any Police pulling folk over?

Doofus

11,982 posts

128 months

Thursday 26th March
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Boosted LS1 said:
'm allowed to go out. Don't you get it? If you don't grasp the basics then I'd suggest you keep your family in and clean up the dogst in the kitchen. Your family are a greater risk then me. You don't need to take the dogs out but assessed the risk just like I've done. You could kennel them and remain indoors.





Edited by Boosted LS1 on Thursday 26th March 22:20
Why is my family a greater risk than you?

Why am I arguing with a tt?

Greshamst

1,092 posts

75 months

Thursday 26th March
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Lincsls1 said:
Greshamst said:
I have to go one junction on the M1 to get to the supermarket. It was glorious today. Not a single car in lanes 3 and 4 as far as the eye could see, just lorries trundling down lanes 1&2.

Would have loved to go for a proper drive but alas, straight home after picking up my weekly food.
Did you see any Police pulling folk over?
Nope, saw plenty of police cars about though

mrtwisty

2,856 posts

120 months

Thursday 26th March
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Solocle said:
I could go for a 200 mile cycle without contravening government instructions. It's a distance I've done before (twice), and the advice is to do your usual exercise.

Will I? Hell no. Doing 200 miles in your proverbial backyard is just going to get boring. If I don't do it that way, there's a significant risk that I'm going to run out of energy and need picking up... which is an unnecessary journey.

I'm not going to curtail my distance unnecessarily - bread and butter 40 to 60 mile rides are still on the cards. Hell, if I feel adventurous, I could do 80-100. I don't necessarily need to stay on my doorstep for those distances, as long as I carry a suitable number of spares, and a suitable quantity of food and drink.
I'm surprised this post hasn't been picked up on by the more zealous posters on this thread. Perhaps because it doesn't mention driving?

I would suggest that riding 40 or 60 miles, even within a 5-10 mile radius of one's own home, is MUCH more risky (in terms of potential disease transmission) than a five mile drive, followed by a 2 hour walk in quiet open countryside, while maintaining sensible distancing and anti-viral transmission habits. A car vs cycle crash is often a serious event, requiring the intervention of many people over an extended timeframe. Like it or not, a fair few vehicles still need to continue using the roads.

There are still a LOT of people going to work that don't NEED to, since the advent of the massive government support that is coming on stream.

If we are really serious about limiting the transmission of this virus and giving the health service a fighting chance of doing its job, it is the movement of these non-essential workers that really needs to be curtailed for a few weeks.

To be clear, this has very little to do with the time these people spend on the roads, cooped up in their little metal quarantine boxes. It has much more to do with the 8 hours a day they spend in close proximity to one another.