RE: 2020 Land Rover Defender | The short review

[PushedDover]

user0000001 said:

Lots of stuff

Best lurking, username and Post of PH.

Just won the internet IMHO and puts firmly the armchair experts in their place, whilst also highlights the fauxness of journalists coo-ing having been given corporate BJ's to review and approve of the car.

Hats off User0000001, and thank you for the information.

[Cold]

user0000001 said:

Thus ends my TED talk; any questions?

Yes. Can you show me on the doll where Gerry hurt you?

[user0000001]

Cold said:

Yes. Can you show me on the doll where Gerry hurt you?

Haha I can't tell you were, but I can tell you when; the precise point he disappeared up himself, when he created the "Swim-Suit" with Orleba Brown.


Yeah I'm no Pistonheads regular, I only came here because of the cooing review popping into my feed on google, but you have to register to post a reply, though it said I already had a profile set up from 2008 when I sold a car here, so here I am.

I really hope I'm wrong with my prognosis, I was there for 10 years and lots of my friends still rely on them for a wage and pension, so I want JLR to do well.
But if it does flop I didn't want people thinking it was as a result of failed Engineering (option 2 could've been awesome), just misdirection from above.

Edited by user0000001 on Friday 27th March 12:25

[braddo]

PushedDover said:

user0000001 said:

Lots of stuff

Has the post been deleted?

[PushedDover]

braddo said:

PushedDover said:

user0000001 said:

Lots of stuff

Has the post been deleted?

fk it would seem so !
By by whom.... ?

Thoroughly informative on How the Defender came about, and the flaws in its design that were known to the engineering teams.
What a shame, unless pulled by the Poster himself ?


Conspiracy....

[LimaDelta]

PushedDover said:

braddo said:

PushedDover said:

user0000001 said:

Lots of stuff

Has the post been deleted?

fk it would seem so !
By by whom.... ?

Thoroughly informative on How the Defender came about, and the flaws in its design that were known to the engineering teams.
What a shame, unless pulled by the Poster himself ?


Conspiracy....

The truth hurts I guess. The post only confirmed what many of us already suspected.

[AngryPartsBloke]

If a single unsubstantiated post is proof of what you suspected then it speaks volumes.

[Naremedios]

I've had a couple of Discos - both a 4.0 petrol V6and a 3.0 diesel SDV6 - both used in Africa and Central Asia on some of the shixxiest 'roads' you could encounter. They performed brilliantly and, apart from suspension compressor failure in a most unhelpful place, had not need for a more capable off-roader - especially one that is slower and slightly smaller ... and pricier!

Looks great and I really fancy one, but it would be a very cold day in hell before I'd shell out that kind of cash in the unlikely event I hit an off-road experience that plenty of cheaper alternatives cannot master. My eleven year old Toyota FJ-Cruiser is a reliable keeper for now ...

[PushedDover]

AngryPartsBloke said:

If a single unsubstantiated post is proof of what you suspected then it speaks volumes.

because it sounded unfeasible, lacked in detail or for another reason would you rather simply discount the merit.


(you can just say that you don't want to believe it it you prefer)

[user0000001]

LimaDelta said:

The truth hurts I guess. The post only confirmed what many of us already suspected.

I've not removed it?
Does anyone else have a copy of it as it's been deleted from my replies etc

Edited by user0000001 on Friday 27th March 15:14

[AngryPartsBloke]

PushedDover said:

because it sounded unfeasible, lacked in detail or for another reason would you rather simply discount the merit.


(you can just say that you don't want to believe it it you prefer)

I have no stake or reason to believe or disbelieve it, but as a general rule I tend to disbelieve information from strangers on the internet that don't contain any evidence.

You could say you believe it because of confirmation bias if you prefer.

[user0000001]

user0000001 said:

I've not removed it?
Does anyone else have a copy of it as it's been deleted from my replies etc

Edited by user0000001 on Friday 27th March 15:14

I've had this email from Pistonheads:-

Hi,

Your reply to the topic 'RE: 2020 Land Rover Defender | The short review' has been removed for the following reason:

As we cannot confirm whether your post is factually incorrect or not, we have taken your post down as it is defamatory to JLR. Please do not post in this manner again.

Thanks

Regards,
PistonHeads

I'm guessing this isn't the forum for free speech then?

[AngryPartsBloke]

user0000001 said:

I've had this email from Pistonheads:-

Hi,

Your reply to the topic 'RE: 2020 Land Rover Defender | The short review' has been removed for the following reason:

As we cannot confirm whether your post is factually incorrect or not, we have taken your post down as it is defamatory to JLR. Please do not post in this manner again.

Thanks

Regards,
PistonHeads

I'm guessing this isn't the forum for free speech then?

Contrary to what people might believe, "free speech" isn't freedom from consequences.

[user0000001]

I've clearly touched a nerve with someone higher up....

If anyone has a copy of my original post I'd be super grateful if they could forward it to me, and I can then share it with other forums, as clearly people need to hear this.

If not I'll just have to re-type it and share it elsewhere that it cannot be removed, bit you'd be saving me a lot of typing.

[user0000001]

AngryPartsBloke said:

I have no stake or reason to believe or disbelieve it, but as a general rule I tend to disbelieve information from strangers on the internet that don't contain any evidence.

You could say you believe it because of confirmation bias if you prefer.

What evidence would folks like?
(Absolutely not written in any kind of sarcastic way, I just want to know so the next place I write it I can include photos etc to corroborate)

[AngryPartsBloke]

user0000001 said:

What evidence would folks like?
(Absolutely not written in any kind of sarcastic way, I just want to know so the next place I write it I can include photos etc to corroborate)

Truth is, there is no way to know if you're a genuine "whistle blower" (as you refer to yourself in you own lengthy post) or an arrogant engineer who overvalued their own opinion on what direction JLR should have gone and now has a chip on their shoulder about the whole thing.

As it stands at the moment, lots of journalists with first hand experience driving the new defender through Nambia think it's great, and we won't know it's real shortcomings and issues until the first customers have had their vehicles for a few months.

[user0000001]

AngryPartsBloke said:

Truth is, there is no way to know if you're a genuine "whistle blower" (as you refer to yourself in you own lengthy post) or an arrogant engineer who overvalued their own opinion on what direction JLR should have gone and now has a chip on their shoulder about the whole thing.

As it stands at the moment, lots of journalists with first hand experience driving the new defender through Nambia think it's great, and we won't know it's real shortcomings and issues until the first customers have had their vehicles for a few months.

Oh I'm absolutely both lol.
The whole Engineering team have spent years trying to steer L663 to greatness, so I'm not the only one to be disappointed at the direction; though I've bought myself out of a non-compete, and aside from pension I've got no stake in JLR, so I'm freer than most.

If folks with actual knowledge aren't allowed to share then I'm guessing the forums should just be left to armchair critics and fanboys to bicker without base ad infinitum.

[braddo]

user0000001 said:

Oh I'm absolutely both lol.
The whole Engineering team have spent years trying to steer L663 to greatness, so I'm not the only one to be disappointed at the direction; though I've bought myself out of a non-compete, and aside from pension I've got no stake in JLR, so I'm freer than most.

If folks with actual knowledge aren't allowed to share then I'm guessing the forums should just be left to armchair critics and fanboys to bicker without base ad infinitum.

You're not being treated any differently by the way - just go read about PH's naming and shaming rules.

I didn't see your post but if you post similar stuff on other forums don't be surprised if it gets taken down again (clearly this depends on each forum's posting rules).

[anonymous-user]

what Can a defender do that a Range Rover can’t????

[user0000001]

braddo said:

You're not being treated any differently by the way - just go read about PH's naming and shaming rules.

I didn't see your post but if you post similar stuff on other forums don't be surprised if it gets taken down again (clearly this depends on each forum's posting rules).

I'm not that fussed, just wanted folks to know a bit more behind the scenes.
Part of sidestepping the non-compete is so I can make a small business offering fixes to some of the flaws, so it's in my best interest to stfu really.