RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S Lightweight and Sport packages
Discussion
big_rob_sydney said:
At what point do these models cannibalise each other? I mean, they're pretty much all turbos now, barring a small number, and with the addition of this option, or the deletion of that, arent they all much of a muchness now?
Does Porsche just make one car but with 35 different badges, and basically just option them differently?
The Turbo and Turbo S are significantly more powerful the non-turbo badged models.Does Porsche just make one car but with 35 different badges, and basically just option them differently?
Yes, there a range of models, and engine options which can be confusing at first but they are all quite different once you've driven a few.
thelostboy said:
I think the Turbo has always benefited from its image created in '80s. They have been pretty anodyne since then, yet have kept the famed reputation.
Other than the face melting speed (although to be fair, you can get an estate car that's just as fast these days), they just aren't much fun. The low for me was the 997.1 which made absolutely zero noise - I don't know how Porsche managed to suck the fun out of something so quick, but they managed it.
Not doubting they are incredible all rounders though, hence despite my moans I've had 3. However, it could never be my only car. Moreover, the GT3 is so refined nowadays that it is genuinely liveable everyday.
Stick a noisy set of pipes on them and some of the fun comes back. I stuck a set of Sharkwerks x-pipes on my .2 and the sound is biblical. Other than the face melting speed (although to be fair, you can get an estate car that's just as fast these days), they just aren't much fun. The low for me was the 997.1 which made absolutely zero noise - I don't know how Porsche managed to suck the fun out of something so quick, but they managed it.
Not doubting they are incredible all rounders though, hence despite my moans I've had 3. However, it could never be my only car. Moreover, the GT3 is so refined nowadays that it is genuinely liveable everyday.
Helicopter123 said:
The Turbo and Turbo S are significantly more powerful the non-turbo badged models.
Yes, there a range of models, and engine options which can be confusing at first but they are all quite different once you've driven a few.
Yes but the whole range is turbocharged now -- Litchfield offer 510PS on the Carrera and 580PS on the Carrera SYes, there a range of models, and engine options which can be confusing at first but they are all quite different once you've driven a few.
NGK210 said:
“Refinement” - really, how so?
A 992 Carrera S’s cabin is filled with a cacophonous 80dB of road noise at a mere 60mph (source: Harry’s Garage). So, will the 992 Turbo have additional sound proofing? (Indeed, has the Turbo ever had extra sound proofing?)
If not, can we please abandon the myth that 911s are “refined”. The 992 may have the dimensions and weight of a GT but in reality it’s still a noisy sports car.
It's all relative. If you're coming from a Lexus, I'm sure you'd be tutting; but in reality all 911s are good GTs; from the 997 onwards, they were superb; to an extent that, in terms of effortless mile-munching with a capacity to leave you refreshed at journey's end, I'd recommend a well-sorted 997 auto over any limo, any day of the week. I just wonder how many of these critics have ever driven (e.g.) a several hundreds miles journey in an auto 997. Here's a run in a GT3, much noisier than the others, and the guy certainly doesn't have to shout to make himself heard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhbtKNHZTJo&fe...A 992 Carrera S’s cabin is filled with a cacophonous 80dB of road noise at a mere 60mph (source: Harry’s Garage). So, will the 992 Turbo have additional sound proofing? (Indeed, has the Turbo ever had extra sound proofing?)
If not, can we please abandon the myth that 911s are “refined”. The 992 may have the dimensions and weight of a GT but in reality it’s still a noisy sports car.
To me, my only criticism is that the newer ones are far too quiet.
I do wish Porsche would now remove drive to front drive shafts and note make it limited in numbers..... now that would be heaven. I wouldn't care if it was slower due to traction issues etc. Not make all these 'halo' GT models.
Instead we have GT2's that now sell for the price of my London terraced house...I remember growing up thinking Id get a 996 GT2 when I grow up (GT2's where unloved at the time), before the days of forums; GT porsche magazine had one on their fleet and they said then modern tyres and a proper geo set up transformed the car. They loved the car. Then the world woke up to them. They dipped to 60K, I remember seeing them dip below 50K and now theyre 120K.
Im not in a position to buy me a Porsche (yet) but honestly I hope world events causes the car market to go back to sane levels again so cars get driven and people use them out in the real world. Let people go and buy traditional assets and not use cars as hedge funds, pension funds etc.
In other news i LOVE the shape rear of the 992. I also like the digital display in the dash.
Instead we have GT2's that now sell for the price of my London terraced house...I remember growing up thinking Id get a 996 GT2 when I grow up (GT2's where unloved at the time), before the days of forums; GT porsche magazine had one on their fleet and they said then modern tyres and a proper geo set up transformed the car. They loved the car. Then the world woke up to them. They dipped to 60K, I remember seeing them dip below 50K and now theyre 120K.
Im not in a position to buy me a Porsche (yet) but honestly I hope world events causes the car market to go back to sane levels again so cars get driven and people use them out in the real world. Let people go and buy traditional assets and not use cars as hedge funds, pension funds etc.
In other news i LOVE the shape rear of the 992. I also like the digital display in the dash.
tommy1973s said:
It's all relative. If you're coming from a Lexus, I'm sure you'd be tutting; but in reality all 911s are good GTs; from the 997 onwards, they were superb; to an extent that, in terms of effortless mile-munching with a capacity to leave you refreshed at journey's end, I'd recommend a well-sorted 997 auto over any limo, any day of the week. I just wonder how many of these critics have ever driven (e.g.) a several hundreds miles journey in an auto 997. Here's a run in a GT3, much noisier than the others, and the guy certainly doesn't have to shout to make himself heard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhbtKNHZTJo&fe...
To me, my only criticism is that the newer ones are far too quiet.
That's not true, and quite misleading. The 997 is a noisy car inside - way worse than a humble Golf or average saloon - and feels like an older car than it is.To me, my only criticism is that the newer ones are far too quiet.
I love the 997 (NA models), but not blissfully unaware of their downsides. The NVH of them is very poor. As someone who does a lot of miles, I had to stop using mine (997.1 Carrera, 997.2 4S, 997.1 Turbo Tip, 997.2 Turbo S) for phonecalls on the road. A boring, but an every day necessity for a 'daily driver'.
thelostboy said:
tommy1973s said:
It's all relative. If you're coming from a Lexus, I'm sure you'd be tutting; but in reality all 911s are good GTs; from the 997 onwards, they were superb; to an extent that, in terms of effortless mile-munching with a capacity to leave you refreshed at journey's end, I'd recommend a well-sorted 997 auto over any limo, any day of the week. I just wonder how many of these critics have ever driven (e.g.) a several hundreds miles journey in an auto 997. Here's a run in a GT3, much noisier than the others, and the guy certainly doesn't have to shout to make himself heard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhbtKNHZTJo&fe...
To me, my only criticism is that the newer ones are far too quiet.
That's not true, and quite misleading. The 997 is a noisy car inside - way worse than a humble Golf or average saloon - and feels like an older car than it is.To me, my only criticism is that the newer ones are far too quiet.
I love the 997 (NA models), but not blissfully unaware of their downsides. The NVH of them is very poor. As someone who does a lot of miles, I had to stop using mine (997.1 Carrera, 997.2 4S, 997.1 Turbo Tip, 997.2 Turbo S) for phonecalls on the road. A boring, but an every day necessity for a 'daily driver'.
Frankly, 80dB of cabin din at 60mph is pish poor.
Not talking about Lexus-type hush, merely the ability to hear the stereo, make a phone call, and converse with a passenger without shouting, all at c. 85mph on a motorway.
If all of the aforementioned are possible in a Mk5 GTI, surely it’s not too much to ask for in a 2020 911/992?
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