Anybody won one of those car lotteries?
Discussion
Unreal said:
The law is rarely retrospective. They may take some comfort in that. Should the regulations change and they fall under the same regs as bookmakers, things may change.
Pick any of the key pointers that stop a free comp becoming an illegal lottery and you can have a field day looking at each site. Here's a good one..."The free entry route must be promoted and displayed at the same level as the paid for routes"
Never mind the widespread non-compliance with postal entries, the hidden comps, instant wins etc.
Every single site only have themselves to blame if/when the clampdown happens, they have it so easy compared to actual gambling sites, yet still massively take the pee.
As one who rarely gambles with mainstream bookies - what are their actual restrictions? All their adverts make me laugh "when the fun stops, stop" as if that will have any impact on someone hooked. I believe they have to let you set spending limits and as payments are classed as gambling you can also set limits on your bank cards. But other than that?
I'm also intrigued why BOTB still use spot the ball. I thought that was the part of making it a skill based competition rather than "proper gambling" but then they do smaller midweek and Friday draws where you only have to answer a question and can still win £40k cash or a lower value car so just a regular raffle and no apparent ticket limit?
Revcomps do make me chuckle with their "what is the capital of England" question for entry that has been the same since I started playing over a year ago. I always wondered what happens if you get it wrong - do they actually inform you that you just wasted £ on an invalid entry?
I'm also intrigued why BOTB still use spot the ball. I thought that was the part of making it a skill based competition rather than "proper gambling" but then they do smaller midweek and Friday draws where you only have to answer a question and can still win £40k cash or a lower value car so just a regular raffle and no apparent ticket limit?
Revcomps do make me chuckle with their "what is the capital of England" question for entry that has been the same since I started playing over a year ago. I always wondered what happens if you get it wrong - do they actually inform you that you just wasted £ on an invalid entry?
P1Fanatic said:
As one who rarely gambles with mainstream bookies - what are their actual restrictions? All their adverts make me laugh "when the fun stops, stop" as if that will have any impact on someone hooked. I believe they have to let you set spending limits and as payments are classed as gambling you can also set limits on your bank cards. But other than that?
I'm also intrigued why BOTB still use spot the ball. I thought that was the part of making it a skill based competition rather than "proper gambling" but then they do smaller midweek and Friday draws where you only have to answer a question and can still win £40k cash or a lower value car so just a regular raffle and no apparent ticket limit?
Revcomps do make me chuckle with their "what is the capital of England" question for entry that has been the same since I started playing over a year ago. I always wondered what happens if you get it wrong - do they actually inform you that you just wasted £ on an invalid entry?
Isn't the premise that the question is a 'skill'? It's a 'barrier' to entry so as to not just enable you to enter purely by a cash transaction because that is a literal lottery? it's a gimmick, but I thought it was there for a reason.I'm also intrigued why BOTB still use spot the ball. I thought that was the part of making it a skill based competition rather than "proper gambling" but then they do smaller midweek and Friday draws where you only have to answer a question and can still win £40k cash or a lower value car so just a regular raffle and no apparent ticket limit?
Revcomps do make me chuckle with their "what is the capital of England" question for entry that has been the same since I started playing over a year ago. I always wondered what happens if you get it wrong - do they actually inform you that you just wasted £ on an invalid entry?
I am surprised these sites have cruised under the radar without much scrutiny for so long. I remember playing DCG back in 2019 I believe when they were all starting to gain traction. They probably have enough in the bank and motoring contacts to turn into something else should things go sour and I imagine they aren't short of a contingency plan.
Jimmy No Hands said:
Isn't the premise that the question is a 'skill'? It's a 'barrier' to entry so as to not just enable you to enter purely by a cash transaction because that is a literal lottery? it's a gimmick, but I thought it was there for a reason.
I am surprised these sites have cruised under the radar without much scrutiny for so long. I remember playing DCG back in 2019 I believe when they were all starting to gain traction. They probably have enough in the bank and motoring contacts to turn into something else should things go sour and I imagine they aren't short of a contingency plan.
My question was more to why BOTB need spot the ball for their main comp but don't for the smaller mid week draw where you just answer a multiple choice question (which changes every week). I assume it has to do with the prize amount as main event can be up to anywhere from a £20k car up to £500k from memory and smaller one is max £40k from what I have seen.I am surprised these sites have cruised under the radar without much scrutiny for so long. I remember playing DCG back in 2019 I believe when they were all starting to gain traction. They probably have enough in the bank and motoring contacts to turn into something else should things go sour and I imagine they aren't short of a contingency plan.
I think these online comps really took over during lockdown when a lot of people had excess income due to greatly reduced costs and looking for some entertainment, fun. I was playing BOTB well before that but I saw sense in lockdown that the lack of transparent odds and using spot the ball were probably similar odds of winning the lottery jackpot.
I really hate the spot the ball thing, such an unnecessary faff, they should just follow the rest and have an arbitrary question
I think these online comps really took over during lockdown when a lot of people had excess income due to greatly reduced costs and looking for some entertainment, fun. I was playing BOTB well before that but I saw sense in lockdown that the lack of transparent odds and using spot the ball were probably similar odds of winning the lottery jackpot.
P1Fanatic said:
Jimmy No Hands said:
Isn't the premise that the question is a 'skill'? It's a 'barrier' to entry so as to not just enable you to enter purely by a cash transaction because that is a literal lottery? it's a gimmick, but I thought it was there for a reason.
I am surprised these sites have cruised under the radar without much scrutiny for so long. I remember playing DCG back in 2019 I believe when they were all starting to gain traction. They probably have enough in the bank and motoring contacts to turn into something else should things go sour and I imagine they aren't short of a contingency plan.
My question was more to why BOTB need spot the ball for their main comp but don't for the smaller mid week draw where you just answer a multiple choice question (which changes every week). I assume it has to do with the prize amount as main event can be up to anywhere from a £20k car up to £500k from memory and smaller one is max £40k from what I have seen.I am surprised these sites have cruised under the radar without much scrutiny for so long. I remember playing DCG back in 2019 I believe when they were all starting to gain traction. They probably have enough in the bank and motoring contacts to turn into something else should things go sour and I imagine they aren't short of a contingency plan.
I think these online comps really took over during lockdown when a lot of people had excess income due to greatly reduced costs and looking for some entertainment, fun. I was playing BOTB well before that but I saw sense in lockdown that the lack of transparent odds and using spot the ball were probably similar odds of winning the lottery jackpot.
P1Fanatic said:
Revcomps do make me chuckle with their "what is the capital of England" question for entry that has been the same since I started playing over a year ago. I always wondered what happens if you get it wrong - do they actually inform you that you just wasted £ on an invalid entry?
Classic Giveaways have mentioned on their livestreams that they do get a non-zero amount of incorrect answers, and that it’s only a matter of time til an incorrect answer number comes out in the draw. They’ve stated that they’d simply draw again. I assume other operators would do the same.
Yellowfez said:
As pointed out to me earlier (and then researched by me), there are two routes to run these:
- allow and publicise free entries
- use a game of skill
The questions the car comps use are redundant, as they wouldn't be considered a game of skill. It's easily argued that 'guess the pixel which will later be randomly chosen' isn't a game of skill either of course
.Jawls said:
Classic Giveaways have mentioned on their livestreams that they do get a non-zero amount of incorrect answers, and that it’s only a matter of time til an incorrect answer number comes out in the draw. They’ve stated that they’d simply draw again.
I assume other operators would do the same.
Interesting. So you still get entered but they mark your ticket as invalid. Can you imagine if you made a typo / click mistake and your number got drawn but was then deemed incorrect. I am wondering what would even happen then as at least in Rev comps when you get your ticket confirmation email there is no mention of the answer you provided so you could just argue that you clicked the correct answer and how can they prove otherwise? The more I think about it the more I presume they just turn a blind eye.I assume other operators would do the same.
P1Fanatic said:
As one who rarely gambles with mainstream bookies - what are their actual restrictions? All their adverts make me laugh "when the fun stops, stop" as if that will have any impact on someone hooked. I believe they have to let you set spending limits and as payments are classed as gambling you can also set limits on your bank cards. But other than that?
Loads, literally hundreds of pages of laws, regulations and guidance to follow. None of which apply to the car comps.A few obvious things include a blanket ban on credit used to fund gambling (including agreements with all the e-wallet providers to stop that workaround), stringent ID checks, significant monitoring processes to identify potential for money laundering and at-risk customers, and the ability to be blanket-blocked by banks should that be requested.
Last September alone the following back-end technical changes were required to be brought in: https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/news/article...
Just take a look at what 32 Red should have been doing (but were not) which led to a £7.1m fine last week: https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/news/article.... That's one of 6 major fines for gambling companies this year already.
Yellowfez said:
I really hate the spot the ball thing, such an unnecessary faff, they should just follow the rest and have an arbitrary question
I think these online comps really took over during lockdown when a lot of people had excess income due to greatly reduced costs and looking for some entertainment, fun. I was playing BOTB well before that but I saw sense in lockdown that the lack of transparent odds and using spot the ball were probably similar odds of winning the lottery jackpot.
BOTB have that Midweek competition, unless they've dropped it, when you have to select an answer. I quite liked the bundles they did in which the prize consisted of three different items such as a small car, such as a Mini or UP! plus a ride in a Supermarine Spitfire and a watch or a holiday or something. Tickets were around £1 too. P1Fanatic said:
Jimmy No Hands said:
Isn't the premise that the question is a 'skill'? It's a 'barrier' to entry so as to not just enable you to enter purely by a cash transaction because that is a literal lottery? it's a gimmick, but I thought it was there for a reason.
I am surprised these sites have cruised under the radar without much scrutiny for so long. I remember playing DCG back in 2019 I believe when they were all starting to gain traction. They probably have enough in the bank and motoring contacts to turn into something else should things go sour and I imagine they aren't short of a contingency plan.
My question was more to why BOTB need spot the ball for their main comp but don't for the smaller mid week draw where you just answer a multiple choice question (which changes every week). I assume it has to do with the prize amount as main event can be up to anywhere from a £20k car up to £500k from memory and smaller one is max £40k from what I have seen.I am surprised these sites have cruised under the radar without much scrutiny for so long. I remember playing DCG back in 2019 I believe when they were all starting to gain traction. They probably have enough in the bank and motoring contacts to turn into something else should things go sour and I imagine they aren't short of a contingency plan.
I think these online comps really took over during lockdown when a lot of people had excess income due to greatly reduced costs and looking for some entertainment, fun. I was playing BOTB well before that but I saw sense in lockdown that the lack of transparent odds and using spot the ball were probably similar odds of winning the lottery jackpot.
carinaman said:
BOTB have that Midweek competition, unless they've dropped it, when you have to select an answer. I quite liked the bundles they did in which the prize consisted of three different items such as a small car, such as a Mini or UP! plus a ride in a Supermarine Spitfire and a watch or a holiday or something. Tickets were around £1 too.
Thats my point - for Dreamcar its spot the ball whilst the Midweek is just answer an easy multiple choice question. Why the difference? Spot the ball put me off playing as 99.99% of the time unless you are on the same pixel or 1 off you have no chance and that's before we get onto the "judging". I just wondered why they have two methods of entering.ch37 said:
Unreal said:
The law is rarely retrospective. They may take some comfort in that. Should the regulations change and they fall under the same regs as bookmakers, things may change.
Pick any of the key pointers that stop a free comp becoming an illegal lottery and you can have a field day looking at each site. Here's a good one..."The free entry route must be promoted and displayed at the same level as the paid for routes"
Never mind the widespread non-compliance with postal entries, the hidden comps, instant wins etc.
Every single site only have themselves to blame if/when the clampdown happens, they have it so easy compared to actual gambling sites, yet still massively take the pee.
It's tedious having to point this out time and again. Why don't you complain to the Gambling Commission and post their reply?
Since I have forgotten more about gambling, prize draws and raffles than you know I could save you the time and tell you what they'll say but I suspect you'll dismiss it so better to get it from the horse's mouth.
Could you also let everyone know when then this clampdown is going to happen and who will be behind its implementation and enforcement?
number2 said:
I agree, but then they'd have to allow free entries.
As pointed out to me earlier (and then researched by me), there are two routes to run these:
- allow and publicise free entries
- use a game of skill
The questions the car comps use are redundant, as they wouldn't be considered a game of skill. It's easily argued that 'guess the pixel which will later be randomly chosen' isn't a game of skill either of course.
Missed this reply. So the only reason for spot the ball is so they don't have to accept postal entries? You would think the number of postal entries is surely gonna cost them a lot less than the big operation of paying independent judges, doing live judging etc. Especially as many of their tickets are low cost so you are hardly saving much by paying for a stamp to enter for free = why bother?As pointed out to me earlier (and then researched by me), there are two routes to run these:
- allow and publicise free entries
- use a game of skill
The questions the car comps use are redundant, as they wouldn't be considered a game of skill. It's easily argued that 'guess the pixel which will later be randomly chosen' isn't a game of skill either of course
.P1Fanatic said:
number2 said:
I agree, but then they'd have to allow free entries.
As pointed out to me earlier (and then researched by me), there are two routes to run these:
- allow and publicise free entries
- use a game of skill
The questions the car comps use are redundant, as they wouldn't be considered a game of skill. It's easily argued that 'guess the pixel which will later be randomly chosen' isn't a game of skill either of course.
Missed this reply. So the only reason for spot the ball is so they don't have to accept postal entries? You would think the number of postal entries is surely gonna cost them a lot less than the big operation of paying independent judges, doing live judging etc. Especially as many of their tickets are low cost so you are hardly saving much by paying for a stamp to enter for free = why bother?As pointed out to me earlier (and then researched by me), there are two routes to run these:
- allow and publicise free entries
- use a game of skill
The questions the car comps use are redundant, as they wouldn't be considered a game of skill. It's easily argued that 'guess the pixel which will later be randomly chosen' isn't a game of skill either of course
.Football fans or otherwise, actually think it's a game of skill - not a game of chance - so it's not gambling, and because they're so amazing they've got an awesome chance of winning.
None of that is correct of course, but it is one reason why it's a spot the ball competition and successful.
Unreal said:
You display the same staggering level of hypocrisy as a number of posters. You criticise something that you say is illegal yet participate in it in the hope of winning. You and people like you are the ones taking the pee.
It's tedious having to point this out time and again. Why don't you complain to the Gambling Commission and post their reply?
Since I have forgotten more about gambling, prize draws and raffles than you know I could save you the time and tell you what they'll say but I suspect you'll dismiss it so better to get it from the horse's mouth.
Could you also let everyone know when then this clampdown is going to happen and who will be behind its implementation and enforcement?
Most sites are now not accepting postals that have been sent to them. Can you you use your vast knowledge to explain how this can possibly be legal? It's tedious having to point this out time and again. Why don't you complain to the Gambling Commission and post their reply?
Since I have forgotten more about gambling, prize draws and raffles than you know I could save you the time and tell you what they'll say but I suspect you'll dismiss it so better to get it from the horse's mouth.
Could you also let everyone know when then this clampdown is going to happen and who will be behind its implementation and enforcement?
I asked before but you didn't seem to want to answer - do you work for one of these companies?
hairykrishna said:
Unreal said:
You display the same staggering level of hypocrisy as a number of posters. You criticise something that you say is illegal yet participate in it in the hope of winning. You and people like you are the ones taking the pee.
It's tedious having to point this out time and again. Why don't you complain to the Gambling Commission and post their reply?
Since I have forgotten more about gambling, prize draws and raffles than you know I could save you the time and tell you what they'll say but I suspect you'll dismiss it so better to get it from the horse's mouth.
Could you also let everyone know when then this clampdown is going to happen and who will be behind its implementation and enforcement?
Most sites are now not accepting postals that have been sent to them. Can you you use your vast knowledge to explain how this can possibly be legal? It's tedious having to point this out time and again. Why don't you complain to the Gambling Commission and post their reply?
Since I have forgotten more about gambling, prize draws and raffles than you know I could save you the time and tell you what they'll say but I suspect you'll dismiss it so better to get it from the horse's mouth.
Could you also let everyone know when then this clampdown is going to happen and who will be behind its implementation and enforcement?
I asked before but you didn't seem to want to answer - do you work for one of these companies?
There's no seem to not want to answer. You and a few others are the ones claiming illegality yet for reasons best known to yourselves you seem unwilling to write a simple email and post up the reply. Meanwhile, participating in something for gain that you claim is illegal whilst whinging about your free entries not being accepted. It would be hilarious if it wasn't such rank hypocrisy.
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