RE: McLaren seeks extra funding to mitigate losses

RE: McLaren seeks extra funding to mitigate losses

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Geoff1158

2 posts

4 months

Thursday 21st May
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Well what did they expect?

A terrible business model based on what some might think is completely fraudulent behaviour, releasing new model after new model that trashes the value of cars already sold could not possibly last.

Had customer service been worthy of the prices charged then maybe they would have got away with it. Maybe.

But instead customers felt ripped off and were insulted by terrible customer service.

Sowing and reaping.

Matty3

650 posts

39 months

Thursday 21st May
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Geoff1158 said:
Well what did they expect?

A terrible business model based on what some might think is completely fraudulent behaviour, releasing new model after new model that trashes the value of cars already sold could not possibly last.

Had customer service been worthy of the prices charged then maybe they would have got away with it. Maybe.

But instead customers felt ripped off and were insulted by terrible customer service.

Sowing and reaping.
Another Jonny come lately poster - nice first post wink have one, not ripped off smile


Edited by Matty3 on Thursday 21st May 23:26

Argleton

3,695 posts

53 months

Friday 22nd May
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Matty3 said:
Geoff1158 said:
Well what did they expect?

A terrible business model based on what some might think is completely fraudulent behaviour, releasing new model after new model that trashes the value of cars already sold could not possibly last.

Had customer service been worthy of the prices charged then maybe they would have got away with it. Maybe.

But instead customers felt ripped off and were insulted by terrible customer service.

Sowing and reaping.
Another Jonny come lately poster - nice first post wink have one, not ripped off smile


Edited by Matty3 on Thursday 21st May 23:26

It is true though.

trackdemon

10,512 posts

216 months

Friday 22nd May
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Every car company in the world releases new models which you could suggest affect value of the prior. That's not fraudulent, that's business...

Matty3

650 posts

39 months

Friday 22nd May
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Argleton said:
Matty3 said:
Geoff1158 said:
Well what did they expect?

A terrible business model based on what some might think is completely fraudulent behaviour, releasing new model after new model that trashes the value of cars already sold could not possibly last.

Had customer service been worthy of the prices charged then maybe they would have got away with it. Maybe.

But instead customers felt ripped off and were insulted by terrible customer service.

Sowing and reaping.
Another Jonny come lately poster - nice first post wink have one, not ripped off smile


Edited by Matty3 on Thursday 21st May 23:26

It is true though.
Nope - have you bought one and been ripped off? - or do you know of a friend of a friend who's best mates uncle did?

had ham

4,148 posts

138 months

Friday 22nd May
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jhoneyball said:
Realistically, any modern super/hypercar is a waste of time as a driving machine on normal roads unless you can find an empty road in the scottish highlands. You cant overtake. You are stuck in a procession. Add in speed cameras etc, and a supercar is realistically no faster from A to B than a hot hatchback. Which itself can easily be as quick as a junior, even senior supercar of the 80s.
I'm not sure, I live only 35 miles North of London, in rural Hertfordshire, close to North Essex and Cambs, and I have plenty of opportunities to 'extend'. My daily is an M4CP with a little bit of a map, and even on my infrequent station runs across country (less than 8 miles), I can have a lot of fun.

Matty3

650 posts

39 months

Friday 22nd May
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had ham said:
jhoneyball said:
Realistically, any modern super/hypercar is a waste of time as a driving machine on normal roads unless you can find an empty road in the scottish highlands. You cant overtake. You are stuck in a procession. Add in speed cameras etc, and a supercar is realistically no faster from A to B than a hot hatchback. Which itself can easily be as quick as a junior, even senior supercar of the 80s.
I'm not sure, I live only 35 miles North of London, in rural Hertfordshire, close to North Essex and Cambs, and I have plenty of opportunities to 'extend'. My daily is an M4CP with a little bit of a map, and even on my infrequent station runs across country (less than 8 miles), I can have a lot of fun.
Mapped M4CP - Supercar, hypercar? - really?

had ham

4,148 posts

138 months

Friday 22nd May
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Matty3 said:
Mapped M4CP - Supercar, hypercar? - really?
Well, clearly not, no. But I can 'overtake' in it, and I do, frequently, and I don't live in the Scottish Highlands unfortunately. I'm also very rarely stuck in a 'procession', and the car is significantly faster than my old Gallardo and 911s.

My point was that you can absolutely still enjoy a high performance car in England today, even in the 'crowded' South East

What point were you trying to make?

650spider

1,018 posts

126 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Matty3 said:
Argleton said:
Matty3 said:
Geoff1158 said:
Well what did they expect?

A terrible business model based on what some might think is completely fraudulent behaviour, releasing new model after new model that trashes the value of cars already sold could not possibly last.

Had customer service been worthy of the prices charged then maybe they would have got away with it. Maybe.

But instead customers felt ripped off and were insulted by terrible customer service.

Sowing and reaping.
Another Jonny come lately poster - nice first post wink have one, not ripped off smile


Edited by Matty3 on Thursday 21st May 23:26

It is true though.
Nope - have you bought one and been ripped off? - or do you know of a friend of a friend who's best mates uncle did?
Matty...you are best checking out of here like i did.

I tried to have a reasonable debate about the thread subject on here, but as with most McLaren threads, it just turned into a pile of ste with posters making easy snidey comments rather offering a constructive reply...some did, like had ham, but other clowns like acer12 types post cheap shots from the safety of their keyboard.

Its piss easy doing that and if you don't have the mental ability to offer anything constuctive, fair enough.

It just lets you know all about the individuals without having the misfortune of meeting them.


Oilchange

6,164 posts

215 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Whats one of them? M4CP? Do you mean MP 4?

650spider

1,018 posts

126 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Oilchange said:
Whats one of them? M4CP? Do you mean MP 4?
I think he means BMW M4 with the comp pack.

Quick car...i am guessing even more so if remapped.

0ddball

390 posts

94 months

Saturday 23rd May
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650spider said:
Matty...you are best checking out of here like i did.

I tried to have a reasonable debate about the thread subject on here, but as with most McLaren threads, it just turned into a pile of ste with posters making easy snidey comments rather offering a constructive reply...some did, like had ham, but other clowns like acer12 types post cheap shots from the safety of their keyboard.

Its piss easy doing that and if you don't have the mental ability to offer anything constuctive, fair enough.

It just lets you know all about the individuals without having the misfortune of meeting them.
Doesn't look like reasonable debate. More like blind fanboy-ism, the likes of which you would expect to see amongst teenage boys if you dared to say anything negative about the game on a Fortnite forum. While you sound quite composed, Matty baby sounds like he is about to burst into tears. 😂

Centurion07

8,018 posts

202 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Unless you're a current or previous owner you cannot possibly judge if McLaren are ripping their customers off since, by definition, you have to be a customer to feel ripped off, or not, as the case may be.

saxon

294 posts

205 months

Saturday 23rd May
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As a TVR Griffith owner who regards the McLaren 570S as my dream car in a lottery win I am very sorry to see this British supercar maker falling on hard times.

Just brilliant cars, wonderful engineering, fantastic style and insane performance. Did a trackday and frankly the McLaren was light years better than the Ferrari and Lambo I drove - I fell in love...

Hoping they battle through. Love seeing them on the road... I do think they maybe hurt their residuals a bit with too many new models but perhaps they're just keen innovators.

Saxon

JxJ Jr.

480 posts

25 months

Saturday 23rd May
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0ddball said:
650spider said:
I tried to have a reasonable debate about the thread subject on here...
Doesn't look like reasonable debate. More like blind fanboy-ism...
Reasonable debate about the thread subject?? Go look at your first comment on the first page - it has nothing to do with the thread subject, neither do you any of your posts. Oddball is right.

JxJ Jr.

480 posts

25 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Centurion07 said:
Unless you're a current or previous owner you cannot possibly judge if McLaren are ripping their customers off since, by definition, you have to be a customer to feel ripped off, or not, as the case may be.
No, you would have to be a customer to be ripped off, you could be an employee, supplier, analyst, etc. to judge if they are ripping off their customers.

Centurion07

8,018 posts

202 months

Saturday 23rd May
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JxJ Jr. said:
No, you would have to be a customer to be ripped off, you could be an employee, supplier, analyst, etc. to judge if they are ripping off their customers.
In the context of the poster that mentioned it, it was with regard to new models superseding old ones within a matter of months. THAT is what you need to be a customer for to be an accurate gauge.

Regardless of whether anyone on your list feels McLaren are ripping people off, still the only person that can truly answer that is the person parting with their own money for the product.

It doesn't matter if the car costs £5K to make and they charge £250K for it; if the purchaser is happy then they don't feel ripped off.

Argleton

3,695 posts

53 months

Saturday 23rd May
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650spider said:
Matty...you are best checking out of here like i did.

I tried to have a reasonable debate about the thread subject on here, but as with most McLaren threads, it just turned into a pile of ste with posters making easy snidey comments rather offering a constructive reply...some did, like had ham, but other clowns like acer12 types post cheap shots from the safety of their keyboard.

Its piss easy doing that and if you don't have the mental ability to offer anything constuctive, fair enough.

It just lets you know all about the individuals without having the misfortune of meeting them.
Almost too funny that the McLaren owners have no sense of humour and dull outlook on life.

Funny that.

JxJ Jr.

480 posts

25 months

Saturday 23rd May
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Centurion07 said:
THAT is what you need to be a customer for to be an accurate gauge....still the only person that can truly answer that is the person parting with their own money for the product.
Except there are two other groups of people that do answer that question - potential customers who decide not to part with their money and the wider customer base that prices the secondary market.

plenty

2,918 posts

141 months

Saturday 23rd May
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had ham said:
I have plenty of opportunities to 'extend'.
The Bishop's Stortford bypass is tempting indeed smile