RE: McLaren 620R | PH Review

RE: McLaren 620R | PH Review

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Scobblelotcher

1,309 posts

70 months

Wednesday 19th August
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For those who may not be aware a chap called Robert Mitchell runs a supercar experience at the ring. The below videos from Robert are him talking about the 620R and also track runs, he’s very engaging to watch and in the first video he talks about why he thinks the 620R is so good.

https://youtu.be/l46H5paraL0
https://youtu.be/cMcIcyeDpVs
https://youtu.be/Shq_Pfk8-Mw

He also owns various super cars including the 720s and Pista etc.

V41LEY

2,541 posts

196 months

Wednesday 19th August
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This is all very AM - new models appearing every week. I can’t keep up !
Then there’s the willy waving price tag.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

370 posts

56 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Another day, another limited edition McLaren.... Yawn.

Suspect that somewhere there's a massive underground garage crammed full with various unsold McLaren specials.....

monacochap

2 posts

156 months

Wednesday 19th August
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I love the fact I got a link to this in twitter with details of the new Porsche Targa GTS above it.
The header for the Macca article was 'Another McLaren that thrills on road and excels on track - but do we really need another one? '

Porsche launch a new model just as regularly as McLaren and get no digs?

Bobby Lee

27 posts

13 months

Wednesday 19th August
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chelme said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
I’m tempted to try a McLaren, but am confused now by which one is going to be the model to go for, in a way that I wouldn’t be by a Ferrari or Lamborghini.

I want it to be a step up from an R8 Plus in terms of involvement, steering feel, and performance, but still something that isn’t going to frustrate me on a long drive, so does this mean sports series, or super series, and then which one?

Despite the purchase cost, McLaren won’t let me try a few examples for a weekend each, so it’s really hard to tell where to start.

Does anyone have any sensible guide to how you go about choosing a model?
Yup, the guide would be to go over to Ferrari.
Yeah go to Ferrari and ask to “try a few examples for a weekend each”. I’m not sure they’ll be open to that idea either.

TypeRTim

137 posts

52 months

Wednesday 19th August
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chelme said:
Yup, the guide would be to go over to Ferrari. McLaren have become like lotus, tinkering away to produce all these "different" cars based on the same engine, very similar chassis, since... MP4 12C. There is little linear progression on the graph, instead all these dots everywhere depicting what is essentially the same thing dressed up as something else.

If you insist on a MLaren, then the 675LT would be the best of the lot by all accounts.
Useful!

Once again, someone mis-understanding the Mclaren Range because they haven't been given a name/variant designation.

It's quite simple. For R8 performance money, you're looking at either the 570S or 600LT. If second hand, you might be able to find a 650S(old 720S), or for a fair bit less, a 12C.

To get a hang of the range here's a handy guide:

Sports Series (ie: 911): 540C (ie: Carrera 2) -> 570GT (ie: Carrera S) -> 570S (Turbo) -> 600LT (GT3) -> 620R (GT2RS)
Super Series: 720S -> 765LT
GT: GT
Ultimate Series: Speedtail, Senna, Elva.

The Sports series is Mclaren's entry model, made to compete more with the 911. M838T 540 - 620bhp, steel suspension, passive aero, more compact footprint, more 'accessible' performance.

The Super Series is Mclaren's Ferrari 'Berlinetta' competitor. M840T, 720 - 770bhp, hydraulically linked active suspension, active aero

The Ultimate Series is Mclaren's technical tour-de-force. This series differs slightly from the other 2 as it is technically individual models with their own traits and purposes. Speedtail is hybrid tech, Senna is track-focussed aero tech and Elva is the screen-less speedster.

Porsche911R

20,655 posts

223 months

Wednesday 19th August
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yep it's not hard on the line up of cars really. the C is gone(was not really a UK market car) so 570S, 570GT, 600LT, and 620R. that's about 15 less models than a Cayman Range lol
the Super sports even less 720S, 765LT ! that's 35 cars less than the 911 range !

the glaring information missing in the review is the full solid bushing on the sus parts.

this is why a road car can wear slicks, due to it being all monoballed.

It should be the stand out point on this car in any review imo as no other road going car can safely run a set of slicks.

What this does to NHV no one knows as the review was poor :-(

I wish Porsche made a car with adjustable suspension, for that you need to spend £50k on top of the RS and goto Manthey Racing.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 19th August 09:41

MDL111

4,879 posts

135 months

Wednesday 19th August
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I quite like that - on days when you can be bothered with a trailer you run it on slicks and on those days where you just want to drive on the road or do a tack day on road tyres you can do that as well - seems sensible to me - you will get much more use out of this car than a pure track/race car without losing much on track performance

ThePackMan

179 posts

24 months

Wednesday 19th August
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sidesauce said:
ThePackMan said:
sidesauce said:
In before the naysayers - I really like the look of this car!

But one question - where does the 'hood scoop' send air to? I can't see how it would feed the engine?
Would have thought that was pretty obvious...it feeds the fan at the back, oh no, wait...
Thanks for your helpful response - oh no, wait...
You’re welcome, oh wait...

Biggriff

2,284 posts

242 months

Wednesday 19th August
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God I miss those Norfolk roads. Especially the road from Thetford to Diss. This car and that road would be epic. I'd not have a licence but thats by the by.

Camelot1971

2,093 posts

124 months

Wednesday 19th August
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justin220 said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
I’m tempted to try a McLaren, but am confused now by which one is going to be the model to go for, in a way that I wouldn’t be by a Ferrari or Lamborghini.

I want it to be a step up from an R8 Plus in terms of involvement, steering feel, and performance, but still something that isn’t going to frustrate me on a long drive, so does this mean sports series, or super series, and then which one?

Despite the purchase cost, McLaren won’t let me try a few examples for a weekend each, so it’s really hard to tell where to start.

Does anyone have any sensible guide to how you go about choosing a model?
Might be worth a post in the McLaren section, but basically -

Sport Series - all the same

Super series - more of the same, just more expensive

Ultimate series - the same, just even more expensive
Fixed that for you winktongue out

GT119

1,053 posts

130 months

Wednesday 19th August
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chelme said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
I’m tempted to try a McLaren, but am confused now by which one is going to be the model to go for, in a way that I wouldn’t be by a Ferrari or Lamborghini.

I want it to be a step up from an R8 Plus in terms of involvement, steering feel, and performance, but still something that isn’t going to frustrate me on a long drive, so does this mean sports series, or super series, and then which one?

Despite the purchase cost, McLaren won’t let me try a few examples for a weekend each, so it’s really hard to tell where to start.

Does anyone have any sensible guide to how you go about choosing a model?
Yup, the guide would be to go over to Ferrari. McLaren have become like lotus, tinkering away to produce all these "different" cars based on the same engine, very similar chassis, since... MP4 12C. There is little linear progression on the graph, instead all these dots everywhere depicting what is essentially the same thing dressed up as something else.

If you insist on a MLaren, then the 675LT would be the best of the lot by all accounts.
675LT is the correct answer!

MagicalTrevor

6,418 posts

187 months

Wednesday 19th August
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ThePackMan said:
sidesauce said:
ThePackMan said:
sidesauce said:
In before the naysayers - I really like the look of this car!

But one question - where does the 'hood scoop' send air to? I can't see how it would feed the engine?
Would have thought that was pretty obvious...it feeds the fan at the back, oh no, wait...
Thanks for your helpful response - oh no, wait...
You’re welcome, oh wait...
I don't understand what's going on here, oh wait...

Europa1

10,923 posts

146 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Biggriff said:
God I miss those Norfolk roads. Especially the road from Thetford to Diss. This car and that road would be epic. I'd not have a licence but thats by the by.
I know that road well! It was part of the route I used to take to Stratton Motor Company for servicing/MOTs back in my Lotus owning days.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

25,741 posts

170 months

Wednesday 19th August
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V41LEY said:
This is all very AM - new models appearing every week. I can’t keep up !
Then there’s the willy waving price tag.
Firstly, this was announced quite a long time ago. Secondly, would you prefer your developed track car with lots of expensive componentry and carbon fibre chassis to cost £30k then?

Leftfootwonder

430 posts

16 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Poor form from the author on this - "do we really need another one". Stop pandering to the forum opinions! Write about an epic car and be done with it.

To those who can't be bothered to understand the model range, just look at the McLaren website. It's censored obvious! If you can get your head around 718's, 992's 918's, 812's, SF90's F8's etc, this shouldn't be too hard. It would be interesting to see how many articles over a year there are about Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini models and 'specials'. Considering McLaren only make sports cars and even the GMA T.50 is yesterday's news until the next teaser, McLaren are, quite rightly, staying the public conscious.

With the roof scoop and bonnet vents this looks like a baby P1 and for £250k it's an absolute bargain!


_Neal_

1,910 posts

177 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Looks great and sounds like an incredible drive.

However this

The 620R could be camo-wrapped from the factory - maybe MSO will do that if you ask nicely - and it would remain patently clear it isn't just another 570 derivative.

is plainly incorrect. I saw a (I think) 570s in the flesh the other day and it looked great, but not hugely different (roof scoop and wing aside) from this. The comments above back this up. McLaren are making great cars, clearly, but their styling is incremental changes, not new-looking models, so it's hard to keep up with which is a long tailed stripped out more powerful version of which. I'm not in the market for one though - if I was of course I'd be familiar with the model range.

As for borrowing any high-end supercar for a "weekend" - is that even a thing with any of the manufacturers? Can't imagine it is unless you have a very good relationship with the dealer already.

WCZ

7,927 posts

152 months

Wednesday 19th August
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looks good, wonder if it suffers from understeer as much as the Senna ?

Toaster

2,857 posts

151 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Buzz84 said:
sidesauce said:
But one question - where does the 'hood scoop' send air to? I can't see how it would feed the engine?
Mclaren roof scoops are always functional and feed the engine. They feed down the back corners of the cabin and into the engine bay

675LT


600LT
The Lotus Europa S had a venturi effect on the roof, the air coming into the engine bay helped keep the cabin cooler (you can feel the heat when standing still on the engine compartment glass and when driving the glass cooled. On the Evora the engine air inlet is on the rear wings. Whilst I am not saying this is exactly the same there are other air inlets on the McClaren and it could be assumed that is the engine air input but would be interesting to see if this was exactly the the case or is it for cooling?

Maldini35

2,530 posts

146 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Leftfootwonder said:
Poor form from the author on this - "do we really need another one". Stop pandering to the forum opinions! Write about an epic car and be done with it.

To those who can't be bothered to understand the model range, just look at the McLaren website. It's censored obvious! If you can get your head around 718's, 992's 918's, 812's, SF90's F8's etc, this shouldn't be too hard. It would be interesting to see how many articles over a year there are about Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini models and 'specials'. Considering McLaren only make sports cars and even the GMA T.50 is yesterday's news until the next teaser, McLaren are, quite rightly, staying the public conscious.

With the roof scoop and bonnet vents this looks like a baby P1 and for £250k it's an absolute bargain!
I agree re the lame headline playing to the gallery.

Why some are fixated with knowing every detail of the model range is beyond me.

It’s up to the prospective customer to decide if it’s right for them.

It’s really not that hard:

Do you do a lot of trackdays?
Do you like to go fast?
Do you not want to bother with a trailer?
Would you like to drive it on the road?
Do you like McLarens?
Are you willing to pay c.£250k?

If you answered yes to these then this might be a car to consider.

By all accounts it sounds like a very fast, very exciting car to drive but that will never be enough for the haters.