RE: McLaren 620R | PH Review

RE: McLaren 620R | PH Review

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Mr.Jimbo

1,912 posts

141 months

Wednesday 19th August
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I could see the appeal of driving this to a track on Trofeo Rs, not pissing about having your spare set of wheels sent along with you, razzing round and then driving home.

When you get to trailering it there with a set of slicks on, baffled as to why anyone would spend £50-70k more than a 570S GT4 and have a properly un-compromised full on racing car, plus the money for a lot of fuel and tyres, and probably a newish tow barge and trailer to tow it with?

Quick google suggests the 570S GT4 is £180-200k, if you're talking about this 620R on slicks, surely the actual racing car is a better buy? Not in terms of re-sale I grant you, but at least you could go racing in the 570S.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

25,741 posts

170 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Camelot1971 said:
justin220 said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
I’m tempted to try a McLaren, but am confused now by which one is going to be the model to go for, in a way that I wouldn’t be by a Ferrari or Lamborghini.

I want it to be a step up from an R8 Plus in terms of involvement, steering feel, and performance, but still something that isn’t going to frustrate me on a long drive, so does this mean sports series, or super series, and then which one?

Despite the purchase cost, McLaren won’t let me try a few examples for a weekend each, so it’s really hard to tell where to start.

Does anyone have any sensible guide to how you go about choosing a model?
Might be worth a post in the McLaren section, but basically -

Sport Series - all the same

Super series - more of the same, just more expensive

Ultimate series - the same, just even more expensive
Fixed that for you winktongue out
No, you just proved your ignorance, that's all.

Wammer

358 posts

146 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Camelot1971 said:
justin220 said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
I’m tempted to try a McLaren, but am confused now by which one is going to be the model to go for, in a way that I wouldn’t be by a Ferrari or Lamborghini.

I want it to be a step up from an R8 Plus in terms of involvement, steering feel, and performance, but still something that isn’t going to frustrate me on a long drive, so does this mean sports series, or super series, and then which one?

Despite the purchase cost, McLaren won’t let me try a few examples for a weekend each, so it’s really hard to tell where to start.

Does anyone have any sensible guide to how you go about choosing a model?
Might be worth a post in the McLaren section, but basically -

Sport Series - all the same

Super series - more of the same, just more expensive

Ultimate series - the same, just even more expensive
Fixed that for you winktongue out
If your that blind and can't see the difference then you should have gone to Specsavers.

Just because Mclaren after 10 years haven't developed another engine then all there cars must have been the same.

I don't read of people complaining when Lamborghini over 40 years used the same engine in the Miura, Countach, Diablo, Murcielago and Reventon.

Ferrari used the same engine in the 328, 348, 355, 360, 430 and then added turbos to it to be used in the 458, 488 and Pista but no one complains.

Don't get me started on Porsche who seem to have used the same design idea since the Beetle to the 911.

Its PATHETIC

EyeHeartSpellin

317 posts

41 months

Wednesday 19th August
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A TTRS will be faster in the real world though won't it.

rockin

8,516 posts

203 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Question: Do McLaren build,

A. One car in 12 flavours?
B. Two cars in 6 flavours?
C. Three cars in 4 flavours?
D. Four cars in 3 flavours?
E. Five or more cars in an assortment of flavours?

TyrannosauRoss Lex

25,741 posts

170 months

Wednesday 19th August
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rockin said:
Question: Do McLaren build,

A. One car in 12 flavours?
B. Two cars in 6 flavours?
C. Three cars in 4 flavours?
D. Four cars in 3 flavours?
E. Five or more cars in an assortment of flavours?
Senna, speedtail, 720S/765LT, 570S/600LT/620R (and spider versions), McLaren GT.

5 cars, some with more flavours than others.

Lagerlout

1,798 posts

194 months

Wednesday 19th August
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I owned a 675LT, great car, especially on the road where it's ballistic and supple. On the track, it's very fast, but a little dull and understeery. Steering and suspension and well the weight kill it. You also just cant walk into xyz local garage and mod it like you can, say a Lotus. A Lotus is more enjoyable to punt about on all but the fastest circuits. This appears to be a great option for people who want a track biased McLaren, harder edged, but not too over the top without having to commit to the wider motorsport experience. Solid suspension on a road going car is pretty amazing, as most cars with that setup are pretty undriveable on the road. Definitely a car for the track enthusiast and I'd imagine better to drive on track than most 'track special' factory optioned competition. Trailering a car is a PITA these days, so can see the appeal of this car. Great move by McLaren IMO but never going to appeal to anyone except the niche enthusiast who can afford it. Not every car has to appeal to everyone and it's good to see McLaren recognising the people who do want a more track focussed experience from a car that can still be driven on the road. It would be even better if McLaren offered a service to make other cars in their line up more track focussed, supplied kits, or supported it via some third parties.

TypeRTim

137 posts

52 months

Wednesday 19th August
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rockin said:
Question: Do McLaren build,

A. One car in 12 flavours?
B. Two cars in 6 flavours?
C. Three cars in 4 flavours?
D. Four cars in 3 flavours?
E. Five or more cars in an assortment of flavours?
It's quite simple.

The Sports series is 1 model.
It has 3 variants in different body styles. (570 Coupe, GT, Spyder - 600LT Coupe, Spyder - 620R Coupe)

The super Series is 1 model
It has 2 variants in different body styles. (720S Coupe, Spyder - 765LT)

The GT Series is 1 model

The ultimate Series is 3 distinct models
Senna, Speedtail, Elva

_Neal_

1,910 posts

177 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Maldini35 said:
By all accounts it sounds like a very fast, very exciting car to drive but that will never be enough for the haters.
Not reading a lot from any "haters" on here to be honest, and I thought the article was well-balanced, basically saying it's a great car but does the niche it's trying to make for itself actually exist?

Not sure why people are becoming so cross when it's pointed out that many of McLaren's products look basically the same (save for the odd wing and scoop).

SidewaysSi

7,857 posts

192 months

Wednesday 19th August
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
rockin said:
Question: Do McLaren build,

A. One car in 12 flavours?
B. Two cars in 6 flavours?
C. Three cars in 4 flavours?
D. Four cars in 3 flavours?
E. Five or more cars in an assortment of flavours?
Senna, speedtail, 720S/765LT, 570S/600LT/620R (and spider versions), McLaren GT.

5 cars, some with more flavours than others.
I think it's one car with 16 flavours. All variations on vanilla.

Scobblelotcher

1,309 posts

70 months

Wednesday 19th August
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EyeHeartSpellin said:
A TTRS will be faster in the real world though won't it.
Not sure if you're kidding or not.....

Edit: change my mind, you must be kidding laugh

TyrannosauRoss Lex

25,741 posts

170 months

Wednesday 19th August
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SidewaysSi said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
rockin said:
Question: Do McLaren build,

A. One car in 12 flavours?
B. Two cars in 6 flavours?
C. Three cars in 4 flavours?
D. Four cars in 3 flavours?
E. Five or more cars in an assortment of flavours?
Senna, speedtail, 720S/765LT, 570S/600LT/620R (and spider versions), McLaren GT.

5 cars, some with more flavours than others.
I think it's one car with 16 flavours. All variations on vanilla.
If a Senna or a 765LT are vanilla I want to know how you'd describe your 3 series BMW hehe

Maldini35

2,530 posts

146 months

Wednesday 19th August
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_Neal_ said:
Maldini35 said:
By all accounts it sounds like a very fast, very exciting car to drive but that will never be enough for the haters.
Not reading a lot from any "haters" on here to be honest, and I thought the article was well-balanced, basically saying it's a great car but does the niche it's trying to make for itself actually exist?

Not sure why people are becoming so cross when it's pointed out that many of McLaren's products look basically the same (save for the odd wing and scoop).
I wasn't pointing the finger at anybody in particular, it's just a shame every time McLaren reveal a car the usual suspects start whinging.

Just because the car is a variation on the 570s theme (so yeah, it will look a lot like a 570) , doesn't mean it isn't any good.

A GT2 911 might look a lot like a GT3 911 to the untrained eye but that doesn't stop it being a brilliant car and worth the extra. A welcome extra choice I think.

You're right, there hasn't been much bashing so far on this thread but give it time...

SidewaysSi

7,857 posts

192 months

Wednesday 19th August
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
SidewaysSi said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
rockin said:
Question: Do McLaren build,

A. One car in 12 flavours?
B. Two cars in 6 flavours?
C. Three cars in 4 flavours?
D. Four cars in 3 flavours?
E. Five or more cars in an assortment of flavours?
Senna, speedtail, 720S/765LT, 570S/600LT/620R (and spider versions), McLaren GT.

5 cars, some with more flavours than others.
I think it's one car with 16 flavours. All variations on vanilla.
If a Senna or a 765LT are vanilla I want to know how you'd describe your 3 series BMW hehe
Butterscotch.

Maldini35

2,530 posts

146 months

Wednesday 19th August
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SidewaysSi said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
SidewaysSi said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
rockin said:
Question: Do McLaren build,

A. One car in 12 flavours?
B. Two cars in 6 flavours?
C. Three cars in 4 flavours?
D. Four cars in 3 flavours?
E. Five or more cars in an assortment of flavours?
Senna, speedtail, 720S/765LT, 570S/600LT/620R (and spider versions), McLaren GT.

5 cars, some with more flavours than others.
I think it's one car with 16 flavours. All variations on vanilla.
If a Senna or a 765LT are vanilla I want to know how you'd describe your 3 series BMW hehe
Butterscotch.
Admittedly a good answer, but I think you's benefit from driving a few before being quite so sure.
Nothing Vanilla about a 720S at full chat around Vallalunga - I can tell you that from experience.
Variations on a theme criticism could equally apply to Lotus.




_Neal_

1,910 posts

177 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Maldini35 said:
I wasn't pointing the finger at anybody in particular, it's just a shame every time McLaren reveal a car the usual suspects start whinging.

Just because the car is a variation on the 570s theme (so yeah, it will look a lot like a 570) , doesn't mean it isn't any good.

A GT2 911 might look a lot like a GT3 911 to the untrained eye but that doesn't stop it being a brilliant car and worth the extra. A welcome extra choice I think.

You're right, there hasn't been much bashing so far on this thread but give it time...
Of course - I'm sure it's an awesome product and it's great it exists at all.

I think it's a bit of a tightrope that McLaren and other low-volume manufacturers walk - they don't have the resources to develop new engines, platforms and bodywork very often, so their products will look similar. Can they do that whilst selling cars with (subtly) different niches, not irritating existing buyers by releasing a better version of the car they just bought 5 minutes later, and not causing brand fatigue amongst the press/enthusiasts by seemingly releasing a new model every month or so. ETA - This applies to Lotus and Caterham as well.

I guess on the final point most people on this thread and others like it (myself included) are unlikely to ever be in the market for a brand new McLaren, so maybe its irrelevant.

TypeRTim

137 posts

52 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Maldini35 said:
Admittedly a good answer, but I think you's benefit from driving a few before being quite so sure.
Nothing Vanilla about a 720S at full chat around Vallalunga - I can tell you that from experience.
Variations on a theme criticism could equally apply to Lotus.
Or Porsche (the ones it actually designs and engineers on their own, not rebodied VAG products)

TyrannosauRoss Lex

25,741 posts

170 months

Wednesday 19th August
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SidewaysSi said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
SidewaysSi said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
rockin said:
Question: Do McLaren build,

A. One car in 12 flavours?
B. Two cars in 6 flavours?
C. Three cars in 4 flavours?
D. Four cars in 3 flavours?
E. Five or more cars in an assortment of flavours?
Senna, speedtail, 720S/765LT, 570S/600LT/620R (and spider versions), McLaren GT.

5 cars, some with more flavours than others.
I think it's one car with 16 flavours. All variations on vanilla.
If a Senna or a 765LT are vanilla I want to know how you'd describe your 3 series BMW hehe
Butterscotch.
I'd say more cabbage.

Camelot1971

2,093 posts

124 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Wammer said:
Camelot1971 said:
justin220 said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
I’m tempted to try a McLaren, but am confused now by which one is going to be the model to go for, in a way that I wouldn’t be by a Ferrari or Lamborghini.

I want it to be a step up from an R8 Plus in terms of involvement, steering feel, and performance, but still something that isn’t going to frustrate me on a long drive, so does this mean sports series, or super series, and then which one?

Despite the purchase cost, McLaren won’t let me try a few examples for a weekend each, so it’s really hard to tell where to start.

Does anyone have any sensible guide to how you go about choosing a model?
Might be worth a post in the McLaren section, but basically -

Sport Series - all the same

Super series - more of the same, just more expensive

Ultimate series - the same, just even more expensive
Fixed that for you winktongue out
If your that blind and can't see the difference then you should have gone to Specsavers.

Just because Mclaren after 10 years haven't developed another engine then all there cars must have been the same.

I don't read of people complaining when Lamborghini over 40 years used the same engine in the Miura, Countach, Diablo, Murcielago and Reventon.

Ferrari used the same engine in the 328, 348, 355, 360, 430 and then added turbos to it to be used in the 458, 488 and Pista but no one complains.

Don't get me started on Porsche who seem to have used the same design idea since the Beetle to the 911.

Its PATHETIC
It's just a bit of FUN. You know, the thing that is missing from McLaren's and their drivers.....

SidewaysSi

7,857 posts

192 months

Wednesday 19th August
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
SidewaysSi said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
SidewaysSi said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
rockin said:
Question: Do McLaren build,

A. One car in 12 flavours?
B. Two cars in 6 flavours?
C. Three cars in 4 flavours?
D. Four cars in 3 flavours?
E. Five or more cars in an assortment of flavours?
Senna, speedtail, 720S/765LT, 570S/600LT/620R (and spider versions), McLaren GT.

5 cars, some with more flavours than others.
I think it's one car with 16 flavours. All variations on vanilla.
If a Senna or a 765LT are vanilla I want to know how you'd describe your 3 series BMW hehe
Butterscotch.
I'd say more cabbage.
Or even broccoli. But surely that's better than water which is a Lexus... wink