Why can nobody overtake?
Discussion
James-m5qjf said:
I get just a frustrated as most people on here, but we do need to ask ourselves, what’s the rush?
It’s easier said than done but I do now try and apply the mantra of patience is a virtue... Our consumer driven on demand lives has probably done our driving temperament no favours.
I'm not normally in a rush or care about what time I arrive the wherever, I just dont want to sit behind clearly bad drivers who cant sit at a constant speed, brake for any slight curve in the road, hit the brakes at seemingly complete random and slam on for 30 limits before sitting at 29mph dead on for the whole stretch. I'm perfectly fine with sitting behind someone who can keep up a constant speed, preferably 60mph and looks like they are atleast attempting to concentrate on driving.It’s easier said than done but I do now try and apply the mantra of patience is a virtue... Our consumer driven on demand lives has probably done our driving temperament no favours.
Its just the general decline in driving standards. They used to teach get upto speed quickly , always look to make progress, never hold anyone up etc etc. Compared to today, pull out , have a picnic , accelerate slowly to just under the speed limit rather than 10% over it. Even when you are at just under the speed limit this is the perfect time to do the office work, make calls send texts , have a zoom meeting FFS. Even better if you are in lane 3 on the motorway with nothing to your left !!!!
James-m5qjf said:
Johnnytheboy said:
It is less inconsiderate overtaking someone than it is holding someone up.
So you’re interpreting someone not going as fast as you would like as being inconsiderate? Life must be stressful. I tend to drive (too) fast, like most people here I suspect, and I’m not shy of overtaking. But I can sense the frustration on here, let alone on the road. I just think there are a more important things to worry about, these people aren’t going away unfortunately. Let them potter, just be sure to have your valves open when you find a chance to pass, and do so with a smile on your face
If I overtake someone I am not making them do anything different.
If I go slower than the car or cars behind me, I am making them drive slower than they would like to.
The latter is more inconsiderate.
I'd never baulk an overtake, but the only times I've got annoyed as a result of being overtaken are when I've been overtaken shortly before an NSL derestricter, and caught them up shortly after going slower than I would have been.
On a particular road near me (long straight and flat), it goes from a 30 to 60 and on occasion I've been passed just before the derestricter and immediately had to overtake them back as they were fannying about. On one occasion they hadn't reached my back bumper so I left them overtaking air
(not a baulk)
On a particular road near me (long straight and flat), it goes from a 30 to 60 and on occasion I've been passed just before the derestricter and immediately had to overtake them back as they were fannying about. On one occasion they hadn't reached my back bumper so I left them overtaking air
(not a baulk)Is this an enthusiast driving site any more or just a load of toyota hybrid aiming commuters ?
The site has gone from TVR driving people to people that are happy to follow a Honda Jazz at 30 mph everywhere.
The statements that the car that passed you a minute ago is only 2 cars in front of you at the next town show that you are not a driving enthusiast but a plodder .
A roller coaster could go along at 10mph .It will still get you to the same destination but where is the fun in that?
The site has gone from TVR driving people to people that are happy to follow a Honda Jazz at 30 mph everywhere.
The statements that the car that passed you a minute ago is only 2 cars in front of you at the next town show that you are not a driving enthusiast but a plodder .
A roller coaster could go along at 10mph .It will still get you to the same destination but where is the fun in that?
Dr Jekyll said:
g3org3y said:
ninepoint2 said:
g3org3y said:
You lot are maniacs. Listen to Brake FFS.
Is that real FFS?Brake said:
Don’t overtake
Overtaking on single carriageways is incredibly risky and should be avoided. It is impossible to accurately judge the speed of approaching traffic, or the length of empty road in front of you, and when overtaking this can be fatal. The gap between you and oncoming traffic disappears surprisingly fast. If you and an oncoming vehicle are both driving at 60mph, the gap between you is closing at 120mph, or 60 metres a second. So a small error of judgement can easily result in multiple deaths.
That’s why it isn’t worth the risk. Often overtaking makes little difference to your arrival time, but could mean you and someone else never arriving at all. So never overtake on single carriageways unless absolutely essential, such as because you need to pass a stationary or extremely slow moving vehicle. Only then do so if certain there’s enough space to get past without speeding and with no risk of someone coming the other way. Otherwise just hang back and relax.
Overtaking on single carriageways is incredibly risky and should be avoided. It is impossible to accurately judge the speed of approaching traffic, or the length of empty road in front of you, and when overtaking this can be fatal. The gap between you and oncoming traffic disappears surprisingly fast. If you and an oncoming vehicle are both driving at 60mph, the gap between you is closing at 120mph, or 60 metres a second. So a small error of judgement can easily result in multiple deaths.
That’s why it isn’t worth the risk. Often overtaking makes little difference to your arrival time, but could mean you and someone else never arriving at all. So never overtake on single carriageways unless absolutely essential, such as because you need to pass a stationary or extremely slow moving vehicle. Only then do so if certain there’s enough space to get past without speeding and with no risk of someone coming the other way. Otherwise just hang back and relax.
Why do so many people think your overtaking because your ‘in a rush’? If you going much below the speed limit or slower than I want to go il overtake, don’t care if I’m turning off or my destination is minutes away. Also people who are dawdling about are usually the ones who can’t keep a decent speed and slow to 20mph at every leaf they pass, take an aaaage to realise the lights have changed to green then they need to find first gear and release handbrake then eventually set off as the lights go back to red, just frustrating drivers to be behind regardless of arrival time.
I was going down the A59 at about 10:30pm and came behind a tractor with two cars behind. 50/nsl road pretty much deserted coming the other way, long well sighted straights and they just sat there trundling behind at 15mph. I was in a hgv so couldn’t do all 3 so was 12 miles like this infuriating!
I was going down the A59 at about 10:30pm and came behind a tractor with two cars behind. 50/nsl road pretty much deserted coming the other way, long well sighted straights and they just sat there trundling behind at 15mph. I was in a hgv so couldn’t do all 3 so was 12 miles like this infuriating!
My drive to work is painful. 26 miles of A road with double whites on almost all of it, leaving some brief and marginal overtaking spots.
If it’s a tractor or HGV I’m basically behind it until it decides to turn off.
Added to that, it’s a mimser paradise... 42mph the entire length of the road. So I’m stuck behind them in the NSL bit and then lose contact with them before the best overtaking spot due to the village in the middle that I respect, but they do not.
On an advanced driving course for the next 4 weeks however, I’m given to understand that being blocked from overtakes in our anonymous German saloon is quite frequent! Looking forward to it. A lot!
If it’s a tractor or HGV I’m basically behind it until it decides to turn off.
Added to that, it’s a mimser paradise... 42mph the entire length of the road. So I’m stuck behind them in the NSL bit and then lose contact with them before the best overtaking spot due to the village in the middle that I respect, but they do not.
On an advanced driving course for the next 4 weeks however, I’m given to understand that being blocked from overtakes in our anonymous German saloon is quite frequent! Looking forward to it. A lot!
I love a safe overtake of the numpties out there more than anyone, particularly if you get the light flashing & gesticulating as a bonus.
Yesterday however I witnessed a proper unsafe overtake.
DHL lorry in front of me, obviously not sure if he was going the right way, Mk2 Focus ST behind me gives him the horn to get a move on. We’re doing 20 mph in a 30 limit up a steep hill with a blind right hander 150 metres away.
Mr ST then floors it past me & past the lorry, I was expecting the worst & it nearly happened, a motorbike came around the blind bend. It was very close. Jeez could’ve been bad.
Completely the wrong place to be overtaking.
Yesterday however I witnessed a proper unsafe overtake.
DHL lorry in front of me, obviously not sure if he was going the right way, Mk2 Focus ST behind me gives him the horn to get a move on. We’re doing 20 mph in a 30 limit up a steep hill with a blind right hander 150 metres away.
Mr ST then floors it past me & past the lorry, I was expecting the worst & it nearly happened, a motorbike came around the blind bend. It was very close. Jeez could’ve been bad.
Completely the wrong place to be overtaking.
Johnnytheboy said:
James-m5qjf said:
Johnnytheboy said:
It is less inconsiderate overtaking someone than it is holding someone up.
So you’re interpreting someone not going as fast as you would like as being inconsiderate? Life must be stressful. I tend to drive (too) fast, like most people here I suspect, and I’m not shy of overtaking. But I can sense the frustration on here, let alone on the road. I just think there are a more important things to worry about, these people aren’t going away unfortunately. Let them potter, just be sure to have your valves open when you find a chance to pass, and do so with a smile on your face
If I overtake someone I am not making them do anything different.
If I go slower than the car or cars behind me, I am making them drive slower than they would like to.
The latter is more inconsiderate.
You’ve stated that if you come up behind someone, they are being inconsiderate. Seems reasonable......
I think it's a general combination of moronic drivers and modern cars with weedy and/or turbocharged engines.
Even I'll think twice about some overtaking manoeuvres in my wife's 2.0 TD that I wouldn't even hesitate on in my own car, purely because I'm never 100% sure if the turbo's going to be on my side or not. Even dropping down a gear or two to get it revving isn't an option as by the time I've floored it and moved out, a gearchange is required.
Even I'll think twice about some overtaking manoeuvres in my wife's 2.0 TD that I wouldn't even hesitate on in my own car, purely because I'm never 100% sure if the turbo's going to be on my side or not. Even dropping down a gear or two to get it revving isn't an option as by the time I've floored it and moved out, a gearchange is required.
A big aspect for me is not having to follow another vehicle that I can't see past.
The large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles mean you can't see over, through or round them so its more difficult to anticipate the road conditions and traffic ahead which means more braking (as inevitably you're stuck behind "binary drivers" who are either on the throttle or the brakes) so I can't drive in a relaxed and flowing manner.
The large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles mean you can't see over, through or round them so its more difficult to anticipate the road conditions and traffic ahead which means more braking (as inevitably you're stuck behind "binary drivers" who are either on the throttle or the brakes) so I can't drive in a relaxed and flowing manner.
Sadly it's a neglected and dying skill.
There's generally way too much nose to tail traffic here in the Essex Badlands to make overtaking worthwhile and when the opportunity does present there's way too many aggressive arrogant Cocks who take deep personal offence to being overtaken and who'll intentionally block or road rage you if you try.
Unless you're absolutely certain you'll never see the overtakee in your mirror again and there's definitely not a potential raging nutter in sight like other posters have said pretty often the best option is to just kick back and go with the flow.
There's generally way too much nose to tail traffic here in the Essex Badlands to make overtaking worthwhile and when the opportunity does present there's way too many aggressive arrogant Cocks who take deep personal offence to being overtaken and who'll intentionally block or road rage you if you try.
Unless you're absolutely certain you'll never see the overtakee in your mirror again and there's definitely not a potential raging nutter in sight like other posters have said pretty often the best option is to just kick back and go with the flow.
Deranged Rover said:
I think it's a general combination of moronic drivers and modern cars with weedy and/or turbocharged engines.
Even I'll think twice about some overtaking manoeuvres in my wife's 2.0 TD that I wouldn't even hesitate on in my own car, purely because I'm never 100% sure if the turbo's going to be on my side or not. Even dropping down a gear or two to get it revving isn't an option as by the time I've floored it and moved out, a gearchange is required.
Sorry to ,er disagree, but i er, disagree!Even I'll think twice about some overtaking manoeuvres in my wife's 2.0 TD that I wouldn't even hesitate on in my own car, purely because I'm never 100% sure if the turbo's going to be on my side or not. Even dropping down a gear or two to get it revving isn't an option as by the time I've floored it and moved out, a gearchange is required.
Modern cars, even s
tty ones, are perfectly fast enough to overtake within most road scenario's! The typical family car of today has over 300Nm of torque, and makes probably 150 bhp at least (often significantly more) Even those lumbering hefalump SUVs that are now so popular actually go ok these days!I learnt to drive in a Citroen 2Cv (26 bhp, if the wind changed during an overtake, you were screwed!) and a SIIa landrover (a gigantic 68 bhp, but it weighed about 2 tonnes, a car where you couldn't even stay in the already stupidly short top gear (4th, not 5th or 6th, or 7th or 8th or even 9th these days!)
Add in modern autoboxes and DSG's and overtaking has never been easier in terms of performance, let alone in any modern performance car!
Depends where you are based imo. In the north of Scotland people overtake all the time. I think we just have a higher proportion of tourists and caravans so the locals just get on with it passing everything in sight. Little winding lanes have people slamming on when a local would be doing 50 round the corner.
It’s not uncommon to see a ratty old defender glued to the back bumper of much much faster things who probably feel they are going fast.
The fun is when you have 3.5ton of trailer behind you when overtaking these people. Any normal person once passed would just maintain the speed of the guy with a trailer but they always seem to fall away into the distance. That bit baffles me.
It’s not uncommon to see a ratty old defender glued to the back bumper of much much faster things who probably feel they are going fast.
The fun is when you have 3.5ton of trailer behind you when overtaking these people. Any normal person once passed would just maintain the speed of the guy with a trailer but they always seem to fall away into the distance. That bit baffles me.
Love a good overtake. I travel A30/303 to Exeter airport 0600 or 1900 so traffic varies hugely depending on time of year with minimal to busy with tractors and caravans at worse. Plus the usual smattering of HGVs. The road varies from dual carriageways to single lane double white lined twisty and climbing at places. So caravan or lorry speed can vary from 60 to 25mph.
Thus just 1 overtake can make a 10 minute difference to a journey time. I know the road well, the potholes, drain covers and where to position the car to cover the ground smoothly and efficiently. Thus an in-advanced, well planned, successfully executed overtake is satisfying and safe. Ironically it is more pleasing achieving safely in my little Alfa GT than in the TVR or previous toys.
But I cannot understand those who would try to block an overtake or intentionally speed up. Do they really feel that threatened or abused? They are definitely worse than those who just float along, happy behind the tractor and blissfully ignorant of the growing queue behind them. Just pass them and let them travel at their chosen speed and me at mine.
Similarly, to see a well driven car leapfrogging up behind and past can be a wondrous thing.
Thus just 1 overtake can make a 10 minute difference to a journey time. I know the road well, the potholes, drain covers and where to position the car to cover the ground smoothly and efficiently. Thus an in-advanced, well planned, successfully executed overtake is satisfying and safe. Ironically it is more pleasing achieving safely in my little Alfa GT than in the TVR or previous toys.
But I cannot understand those who would try to block an overtake or intentionally speed up. Do they really feel that threatened or abused? They are definitely worse than those who just float along, happy behind the tractor and blissfully ignorant of the growing queue behind them. Just pass them and let them travel at their chosen speed and me at mine.
Similarly, to see a well driven car leapfrogging up behind and past can be a wondrous thing.
r1monkey said:
Is this an enthusiast driving site any more or just a load of toyota hybrid aiming commuters ?
The site has gone from TVR driving people to people that are happy to follow a Honda Jazz at 30 mph everywhere.
The statements that the car that passed you a minute ago is only 2 cars in front of you at the next town show that you are not a driving enthusiast but a plodder .
A roller coaster could go along at 10mph .It will still get you to the same destination but where is the fun in that?
Having been here a long time I long ago came to the conclusion a lot of posters on here aren’t car fans in the slightest.The site has gone from TVR driving people to people that are happy to follow a Honda Jazz at 30 mph everywhere.
The statements that the car that passed you a minute ago is only 2 cars in front of you at the next town show that you are not a driving enthusiast but a plodder .
A roller coaster could go along at 10mph .It will still get you to the same destination but where is the fun in that?
Not necessarily for this thread, but it’s the general vibe I get.
The trick is is to head off into the quieter sections and avoid General Gassing as much as possible.
That where the real enthusiasts are.
Tyre Tread said:
A big aspect for me is not having to follow another vehicle that I can't see past.
The large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles.
The thinig i have noted about SUVs is that they tend to be driven in a very jerky manner, ie not at a constant speed. The large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles.
I think this is because they all have absolutely zero steering feel, so it's pretty much impossible for the driver to know how much of the turning performance of the vehicle they are using. My commute is 18 miles of fast B road (no corner cannot be taken at above 80) and yet i regularly follow SUVs who manage a respectible 55 along the straights, but slam on the brakes for the slightest turn (generally at the last minute complete with a massive heave on the steering wheel, and often then going over the white line on the way out because they have turned in far far too early for the corner (and there car is so massive it only just fits in their lane anyway.....)
The more "sports" an SUV the worse this is. Drivers seem to buy these "sports" SUVs convinced that because their car has 300 bhp and 305 sectiom tyres and says "SPORT" on the side they are some sort of WRC car, despite the fact that they can't ever seem to get above about 0.5g at any apex, and take up the entire road (both lanes, a bit of the verge, and some of Mrs Migins front lawn too.... ;-)
my car has 155 section ECO tyres and i've never found an SUV that can actually keep up with it........ (not because the car physically couldn't but because the driver can't leverage that on-paper / on-track performance in the real world)
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