RE: The best sports cars to buy in 2020

RE: The best sports cars to buy in 2020

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otolith

42,470 posts

162 months

Friday 16th October
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thewarlock said:
baconsarney said:
You guys are talking about the 350Z being a GT, a mate of mine had one and luggage space was very limited (allegedly less than a VW Polo), not a good trait for a GT I'd suggest.... scratchchin
True, the boot space isn't up to much, particularly on the convertible, so what else do we categorise it as?
Jap muscle car with a two cylinder deficit?

I wasn't a huge fan of the one my wife owned. Felt very ponderous to drive. Made a lovely noise, though, especially with the full stainless steel exhaust system she put on it.

Edited by otolith on Friday 16th October 16:01

CABC

3,642 posts

59 months

Friday 16th October
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thewarlock said:
baconsarney said:
You guys are talking about the 350Z being a GT, a mate of mine had one and luggage space was very limited (allegedly less than a VW Polo), not a good trait for a GT I'd suggest.... scratchchin
True, the boot space isn't up to much, particularly on the convertible, so what else do we categorise it as?
And where does leave the F-Type?
coffee

cerb4.5lee

16,435 posts

138 months

Friday 16th October
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CABC said:
thewarlock said:
baconsarney said:
You guys are talking about the 350Z being a GT, a mate of mine had one and luggage space was very limited (allegedly less than a VW Polo), not a good trait for a GT I'd suggest.... scratchchin
True, the boot space isn't up to much, particularly on the convertible, so what else do we categorise it as?
And where does leave the F-Type?
coffee
The F-Type is a GT for me...albeit a very heavy one. Some F-Type models weigh in at around 1900kg.

CABC

3,642 posts

59 months

Friday 16th October
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cerb4.5lee said:
The F-Type is a GT for me...albeit a very heavy one. Some F-Type models weigh in at around 1900kg.
I meant with so little baggage space....
Just teasing wink

cerb4.5lee

16,435 posts

138 months

Friday 16th October
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CABC said:
I meant with so little baggage space....
Just teasing wink
Ahh, ok. thumbup

ash73

19,260 posts

179 months

Friday 16th October
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thewarlock said:
...so what else do we categorise it as?
This is how I see it - a sports car is any car that is performance oriented, and there are lots of different types...


cerb4.5lee

16,435 posts

138 months

Friday 16th October
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Funnily enough the chap who did my MOT was ribbing me about how small the boot was in my 370Z Roadster. He said he much preferred his TVR Chimeara because that has a nice big boot.

otolith

42,470 posts

162 months

Friday 16th October
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ash73 said:
thewarlock said:
...so what else do we categorise it as?
This is how I see it - a sports car is any car that is performance oriented, and there are lots of different types...

I don't think an E63AMG or a Porsche Cayenne Turbo or a Rolls-Royce Wraith is a sports car. I don't think an Audi A5 convertible is, even with the 265bhp petrol engine. I think a base 132bhp, > 8 seconds to 60mph MX-5 is 100% sports car and 0% performance orientated.

Om

246 posts

36 months

Friday 16th October
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ash73 said:
thewarlock said:
...so what else do we categorise it as?
This is how I see it - a sports car is any car that is performance oriented, and there are lots of different types...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_classification

and:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-segment

https://www.autoindustriya.com/features/car-classe...

It is a fairly broad church.

Also - https://web.archive.org/web/20150823000426/http://...

Though this does rather poke a stick in the whole coupe/sports car hornets nest...

ash73

19,260 posts

179 months

Friday 16th October
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otolith said:
ash73 said:
thewarlock said:
...so what else do we categorise it as?
This is how I see it - a sports car is any car that is performance oriented, and there are lots of different types...

I don't think an E63AMG or a Porsche Cayenne Turbo or a Rolls-Royce Wraith is a sports car. I don't think an Audi A5 convertible is, even with the 265bhp petrol engine. I think a base 132bhp, > 8 seconds to 60mph MX-5 is 100% sports car and 0% performance orientated.
Performance oriented doesn't just mean power, it's also handling and driver enjoyment.

So of course a MX5 is a sports car.

ddom

1,863 posts

6 months

Friday 16th October
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ash73 said:
Performance oriented doesn't just mean power, it's also handling and driver enjoyment.

So of course a MX5 is a sports car.
The MX5 is not a sports car. It’s a 2 seater convertible. If not one of the most overrated things ever rofl

humphra

185 posts

50 months

Friday 16th October
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ash73 said:
biggrin
You've just summed me up too!

ash73

19,260 posts

179 months

Friday 16th October
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ddom said:
The MX5 is not a sports car. It’s a 2 seater convertible. If not one of the most overrated things ever rofl
Of course it's a sports car, it's not a shopping car is it? Its purpose is fun/sport.

Some (but not all) sports cars are convertibles, and vice versa.

Two separate classifications... imho.

hyphen

17,142 posts

48 months

Friday 16th October
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humphra said:
ash73 said:
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You've just summed me up too!
He may have summed me up too, but I'm not clicking 20 links as he couldn't be bothered to list models. So I will never know frown

rockin

8,516 posts

203 months

Friday 16th October
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ddom said:
The MX5 is not a sports car. It’s a 2 seater convertible. If not one of the most overrated things ever rofl
Another mind-bendingly stupid post from the stupidest PH contributor of 2020 with, of course, no cars on his profile and apparently having to save up for a wrist-watch.

ddom said:
Ok, so what can the collective knowledge tell me about the Grand Seiko SBGE253. Severe budget creep but.....

StephMurphy

81 posts

5 months

Friday 16th October
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Of course the MX5 is a sports car fgs, what else is it? My oldest son drives one and whilst not fast as such, it's 2 litres is enough to have plenty of fun in and at the same time make sense as an everyday workhorse. Great car. Small sports car.

ddom

1,863 posts

6 months

Friday 16th October
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rockin said:
ddom said:
The MX5 is not a sports car. It’s a 2 seater convertible. If not one of the most overrated things ever rofl
Another mind-bendingly stupid post from the stupidest PH contributor of 2020 with, of course, no cars on his profile and apparently having to save up for a wrist-watch.

ddom said:
Ok, so what can the collective knowledge tell me about the Grand Seiko SBGE253. Severe budget creep but.....
Oh so wind it in, I know you’re frustrated buying the wrong Porsche and don’t understand rwd but stalking me isn’t the answer rofl

ddom

1,863 posts

6 months

Friday 16th October
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StephMurphy said:
Of course the MX5 is a sports car fgs, what else is it? My oldest son drives one and whilst not fast as such, it's 2 litres is enough to have plenty of fun in and at the same time make sense as an everyday workhorse. Great car. Small sports car.
Facsimile of things that were.

white_goodman

3,530 posts

149 months

Friday 16th October
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braddo said:
yes

I enjoyed reading the article and I find the idea that a 'sports car' must be a 2-seat convertible ridiculous. Quite why people need to get so worked up, especially when we know a separate article will come for soft-tops, is beyond me!
I don't think that people were suggesting that a sports car has to be a convertible, more that why were convertible sports cars being excluded and when it specifically said 2 seats, fixed roof, why were the TT/RCZ/GT86 (and possibly Evora?) included.

I would say that the TT/RCZ are more sporting cars than sports cars personally but if you stick rigidly to the brief, the sub 5k categories are kind of tricky. I quite like the TT and would prefer one to be honest to an NB MX5 but the MX5 is more of a sports car. BMW Z3, mk1 SLK and MGF/TF would all fit inside that budget too.

I quite like the RCZ to look at but again it's no sports car. FWD and available in a diesel, although if I'm right in thinking that the petrol shares it's engine with the R56 MINI Cooper S then the diesel is probably the one to have!

The GT86/BRZ is a car that I'm in love with the concept of but was too expensive when new for the performance and remains so on the used market. At 5k it would be a no-brainer but 10k for a 100,000 miler seems a little steep. Not a great commercial success I thought but they seem to hold their value really well, perhaps because they offer something fairly unique.

The rest of the suggestions seem pretty reasonable though and varied, although anything Italian or a TVR are noticeable by their absence. I'm not sure if they're technically sports cars but I'd be tempted to give the Fiat Coupe Turbo and Alfa Romeo GTV V6 a by or this reason. Is the F-Type a sports car or a GT? Perhaps when it first came out, the XK was still in production, so that was the GT and the F-Type was the sports car but it's borderline in my opinion. I love the F-Type but it would need to be the V8 for me. Go big or go home!

Not a bad list but I might suggests the following alternatives:

<2.5k: mk3 MR2 - I went for the NB MX5 back in the day but I suspect that this is the one that I should have gone for and cheap mid-engined cars are few and far between these days.

<5k: has to be a 986 Boxster really doesn't it? RX8 as an alternative but I'm not sure if 5k is enough to bag you an R3, which is the one that you would really want.

<10k: for this much, I think that I'd rather have a really nice example of a 350Z

<15k: the Z4 Coupe is a really good shout to be fair but maybe a decent S2000 as an alternative?

<25k: Cayman is a pretty good choice, this would probably just get you into a 981 (non-S), which would probably be my choice but you could get a really nice Z4M Coupe for this money too.

<35k: Alfa Romeo 4C as a leftfield alternative (15-35k is also a pretty happy hunting ground for TVRs: Chimaeras, Tamoras, Tuscans, T350s etc).

<50K: Should get you into a really decent manual Audi R8 V8 or maybe even a 996 GT3?

<75k: 997 GT3

<100k: I'd want a "prancing horse" or a "raging bull" on my drive for this money. F430 or Gallardo (or are we dipping into "supercar" territory now? Surely if you were going for McLaren, you'd get a 570S, not a 540C?

Mr Tidy

12,351 posts

85 months

Friday 16th October
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cerb4.5lee said:
I know that I have a bit of a downer on the Z4M, but I genuinely couldn't believe how much better the ride/suspension/classis felt in the E92 M3 in comparison. So that proved to me that BMW can get it pretty much spot on when they want to.

I feel that the Z4 and Z4M are just a half hearted effort from BMW. Both the E90 330d/330i I had were better for me ride and suspension wise(even with the runflats). The Z4M has all the right ingredients for sure, but the recipe doesn't deliver sadly imo.
To be fair that hasn't been the same as my experience with them.

Both my 3.0Si Z4 Coupes were both Sport models with 18" run-flats so the ride was pretty terrible, and as a result poor road surfaces did get the TC light illuminating quite often even in the dry!

But my E91 325i and current E90 330i SEs on 17" run-flats are only marginally better.

Even on (very stiff) H & R coil-overs and 19" wheels with MPSS tyres my Z4M feels better than any of them in terms of ride and handling! Although for the next 6 months I'm not sure MPSS tyres are going to be offering too much grip.

But I am planning to go back to OE 18s and H & R springs with Bilstein B6s for a bit more compliance - and orignality so far as the wheels are concerned.

I did love my 3 litre Coupes as I thought they looked fantastic and a 6 cylinder N/A engine that revved to 7K rpm in the 21st century is something of a rarity.

But the M feels even more special thanks to the S54 engine, and the HPAS is so much better than the EPAS fitted to the 3 litre.

For anyone considering a Z4 Coupe I'd say the 3 litre is 80% of the M for 50% of the money, and much lower running costs. But after 5+ years I just had to scratch that M itch while I could!