RE: The best sports cars to buy in 2020

RE: The best sports cars to buy in 2020

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cerb4.5lee

16,435 posts

138 months

Friday 16th October
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Mr Tidy said:
But the M feels even more special thanks to the S54 engine, and the HPAS is so much better than the EPAS fitted to the 3 litre.
Yes and I used to love starting the S54 engine up and listening to the noise it made bouncing off the garage wall. cool

I really liked the steering too, plus I even liked the fat feeling rim...and many people do seem to complain about that to be fair

I'm a big fan of the N52 engine and I love its smoothness, but the S54 engine does have a lovely specialness about it for sure. thumbup

okenemem

820 posts

152 months

Saturday 17th October
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Skyrocket21 said:
I'd swap the Peugeot for a Nissan 350z for under 5k.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202008112...
+1

pycraft

149 posts

142 months

Saturday 17th October
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I think it's fairly simple: just think of "sport" in the old fashioned meaning - entertainment - rather than the current meaning - competition.

A "sports car" is one that is built for entertainment. The more that is true, the more of a sports car it is; which is to say, the less practical, the less comfortable, the less it's able to carry a load. It is what Ferrari call and "A to A car" (rather than an "A to B car") - one which is designed to be joyful to drive with intensity and commitment, but no good at actually being a car - actually going somewhere, or transporting passengers or luggage, possibly protecting you from the elements and so forth. To my mind the ideal is a Caterham (excepting the one I saw with a load of flatpack furniture sticking 6ft from the passenger seat once). Actually, the exact ideal is the Caterham that passed me on the M3 once, coming out of a wall of spray taller than the car (it was belting with rain) and driven by someone dressed as Biggles.

As Oscar Wilde might have said, all sports cars are quite useless.

baconsarney

9,936 posts

119 months

Saturday 17th October
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Shirly for the average car/driving enthusiast one of the greatest measures of a cars 'sportiness' must be 'grin factor'... Obviously subjective, I mean some people I know don't even know how to smile... never mind grin biggrin

rockin

8,516 posts

203 months

Saturday 17th October
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IMO it's not a sports car unless it looks like a sports car - sleek lines essential and getting the roof off goes a long way.

4-seat cabrio's take a decent step in the sports car direction although generally don't quite get there. Ferrari Portofino?
Mid or rear engine layout helps 2-door coupes approach the sports car label even if it's not conclusive proof. Renault Alpine?
Super saloons and estates don't get anywhere near.

CABC

3,642 posts

59 months

Saturday 17th October
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rockin said:
4-seat cabrio's take a decent step in the sports car direction although generally don't quite get there. Ferrari Portofino?
maybe, but certainly not a 3 series, A4 or C/E class. they become worse cars, heavy and floppy.
interesting that Autocar see "convertible" to mostly mean open saloon cars and the Merc SLC comes 10th, below the E and C class! Autocar's top 10 lists have become a confused mess on many levels though.

The Morgan Plus 4 is also a true sports car to my mind. Terry Thomas the original definition of "sports car driver".

ddom

1,863 posts

6 months

Saturday 17th October
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Oxford Dictionary said:
a low-built car designed for performance at high speeds, often having a roof that can be folded back.
Seats have little to do with it IMO. I’d add any car which has a manual but the owner has chosen the auto though.

Edited by ddom on Saturday 17th October 11:51

Zumbruk

5,047 posts

218 months

Saturday 17th October
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Skyrocket21 said:
I'd swap the Peugeot for a Nissan 350z for under 5k.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202008112...
350Zs are *horrible*. Heavy, slow, poorly handling, antique interiors (which are tiny compared to the exterior). I was glad to see the back of mine.

dinkel

25,567 posts

216 months

Saturday 17th October
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pycraft said:
I think it's fairly simple: (...) As Oscar Wilde might have said, all sports cars are quite useless.
Uselessness is the reason of life IYAM.

'The best sports cars to buy in 2020' are the ones you like best to drive and look at. Horses for courses. Get me a 911 G Model or Alfa GTV 1750 / 2000 and I'll be quiet for the rest of my life. They can be driven to punishment without extreme budgets and will last forever,

Go faster? Take a track toy because on public roads a Ferrari is useless unless you want to loose your license within weeks.

And yes, an MX-5 is of course a sports car.

MyV10BarksAndBites

113 posts

7 months

Saturday 17th October
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ddom said:
ash73 said:
Performance oriented doesn't just mean power, it's also handling and driver enjoyment.

So of course a MX5 is a sports car.
The MX5 is not a sports car. It’s a 2 seater convertible. If not one of the most overrated things ever rofl
This..

rockin

8,516 posts

203 months

Saturday 17th October
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dinkel said:
And yes, an MX-5 is of course a sports car.
Fortunately those of us who understand the subject are able to agree on these fundamental aspects of automotive enjoyment! biggrin

ddom

1,863 posts

6 months

Saturday 17th October
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rockin said:
Fortunately those of us who understand the subject are able to agree on these fundamental aspects of automotive enjoyment! biggrin
rockin said:
RWD makes very little difference in everyday driving. Jump in an unknown hire car at an airport and you'll struggle to tell which end is driven unless you give it some stick
rofl

braddo

7,194 posts

146 months

Saturday 17th October
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MyV10BarksAndBites said:
ddom said:
ash73 said:
Performance oriented doesn't just mean power, it's also handling and driver enjoyment.

So of course a MX5 is a sports car.
The MX5 is not a sports car. It’s a 2 seater convertible. If not one of the most overrated things ever rofl
This..
This.. This is a load of bks.



samoht

1,665 posts

104 months

Saturday 17th October
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In my mind, a 'performance car' is anything fast, and a 'sports car' is low, light, compact, balanced and responsive - the whole car designed for fun over practicality.

An Audi RS6 is a performance car, but not a sports car.
An MX-5 is a sports car, but not much of a performance car.
Something like a Boxster or Cayman is both a performance car and a sports car.

Some people seem to define 'sports car' as a subset of 'performance car', but I think that they are conceptually two separate ideas, and it's more descriptive to keep them separate. However it's entirely reasonable to choose to prefer cars that fall into the 'both' category (perhaps 'high performance sports cars').

ddom

1,863 posts

6 months

Saturday 17th October
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samoht said:
In my mind, a 'performance car' is anything fast, and a 'sports car' is low, light, compact, balanced and responsive - the whole car designed for fun over practicality.

An Audi RS6 is a performance car, but not a sports car.
An MX-5 is a sports car, but not much of a performance car.
Something like a Boxster or Cayman is both a performance car and a sports car.

Some people seem to define 'sports car' as a subset of 'performance car', but I think that they are conceptually two separate ideas, and it's more descriptive to keep them separate. However it's entirely reasonable to choose to prefer cars that fall into the 'both' category (perhaps 'high performance sports cars').
Good post.

I have driven a few variants of MX5, none of them IMO were very good. It's a facsimile of something that was. It apes cars like the Sprite, MG, TR's but for me totally misses the point. It's not speed it's character, which is where all but Honda fall over.


rockin

8,516 posts

203 months

Saturday 17th October
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ddom said:
I have driven a few variants of MX5, none of them IMO were very good. It's a facsimile of something that was. It apes cars like the Sprite, MG, TR's but for me totally misses the point.
Which cars "for you" hit the point? One can't help noticing there are no cars on your profile and you never contribute to specific car threads.

ddom

1,863 posts

6 months

Saturday 17th October
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rockin said:
Which cars "for you" hit the point? One can't help noticing there are no cars on your profile and you never contribute to specific car threads.
One can't help notice you're an unimaginative troll.

rockin

8,516 posts

203 months

Saturday 17th October
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ddom said:
rockin said:
Which cars "for you" hit the point? One can't help noticing there are no cars on your profile and you never contribute to specific car threads.
One can't help notice you're an unimaginative troll.
So a complete inability to answer a simple question. Very well done!

Let's talk about cars. You choose to sneer and snipe. What have you actually got to bring to the party?

ddom

1,863 posts

6 months

Saturday 17th October
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rockin said:
So a complete inability to answer a simple question. Very well done!

Let's talk about cars. You choose to sneer and snipe. What have you actually got to bring to the party?
What is 'sneering' about an opinion, clearly you're a little bit angry, and not the brightest.

Does it bother you that others have an opinion different to yours?

'Bring to the party'... nothing if not consistent rofl


otolith

42,470 posts

162 months

Saturday 17th October
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ddom said:
Good post.

I have driven a few variants of MX5, none of them IMO were very good. It's a facsimile of something that was. It apes cars like the Sprite, MG, TR's but for me totally misses the point. It's not speed it's character, which is where all but Honda fall over.
It is perfectly reasonable to think an MX-5 is not a good sports car. I would respectfully disagree, but that’s a matter of taste. I don’t think the fact that it is a sports car is a matter of taste or really disputable.