RE: The best sports cars to buy in 2020

[Cold]

Bispal said:

Matt Bird said:

suffolk009 said:

"namely that a sports car has two seats and a fixed roof"

What an idiotic thing to write.

The best sports cars have soft tops.

There's going to be a dedicated rundown of roadsters/drop-tops/cabrios as well, that's why! This definition suited the cars we wanted to focus on here. The convertibles are coming, promise!


Matt

Matt you need to edit to 'sporting coupes' or this is going to go rapidly downhill.....Shame as there is lots to discuss here.

Or PHers could get over themselves and stop labouring a very dull point?

[Gameface]

RudeDog said:

The inclusion of the RCZ can only mean that this is a sponsored article.

Give over.

[anonymous-user]

Water Fairy said:

I stopped reading once I saw the TT as the 1st choice.

The TT is a sports car in the same way a huge 5dr BMW X6 is a 'coupe'.

[baconsarney]

Cold said:

Bispal said:

Matt Bird said:

suffolk009 said:

"namely that a sports car has two seats and a fixed roof"

What an idiotic thing to write.

The best sports cars have soft tops.

There's going to be a dedicated rundown of roadsters/drop-tops/cabrios as well, that's why! This definition suited the cars we wanted to focus on here. The convertibles are coming, promise!


Matt

Matt you need to edit to 'sporting coupes' or this is going to go rapidly downhill.....Shame as there is lots to discuss here.

Or PHers could get over themselves and stop labouring a very dull point?

[lee_erm]

I've never really understood the comments about the Z4M being tricky to drive. Leave the DCS on and it's as easy as a Nissan Micra. Ok it's a different story with it off, in the wet. But nobody is forcing you to turn it off!

[Leins]

Re the Mk1 TT, these cars received very favourable reviews when new in terms of their handling. Unfortunately the revisions that were implemented/retrospectively fitted after a few left the road at high speed seemed to neuter them somewhat in this regards

Just wondering if any have subsequently been returned to the original set-up?

[147lusso]

Give it 2-3 years and the 540C will be a good alternative in the up-to £35,000 bracket

[anonymous-user]

Very surprised at the absence of the Lotus Elise.

[re33]

Chappo1 said:

Very surprised at the absence of the Lotus Elise.

and boxster and MX5 and s2000....... think you might need to read article and all the comments....

[GingerMunky]

It would have to be the Evora, exciting times at Lotus!

[Sporky]

ash73 said:

That's the most interesting point for me, Alpine seems the obvious car choice at £50k but you have to compare it to an older Evora. That's a road test I'd like to see.

I'd be inclined to go with the Alpine, but sadly I haven't driven either.

I have - was going to buy one or the other.

The Alpine won because reasons (which I can go into if you like, but they'll probably just provoke more arguments!). Both fantastic cars though, and surprisingly alike in many respects - every day usable, near-perfect balance of handling and ride, and both foolishly overlooked by cork-sniffers and badge-a-holics.

[EggsBenedict]

Cold said:

Or PHers could get over themselves and stop labouring a very dull point?

I get your point, but there has to be a purpose in words. Especially if you make a living by writing them. You might as well write an article saying 'the top 10 cars that look great in red', and then go on to feature a black one.

Anyway, we'll wait for the 'convertible' article or whatever, and in the meantime I'll take the Lotus or the Aston please.

[anonymous-user]

Sporky said:

Both fantastic cars though, and surprisingly alike in many respects - every day usable, near-perfect balance of handling and ride, and both foolishly overlooked by cork-sniffers and badge-a-holics.

Whereas there are many sports car buyers who understand that a real sports car,

• Doesn't have a mandatory fixed roof
• Doesn't have a mandatory automatic gearbox
• Doesn't have four seats.

[cerb4.5lee]

lee_erm said:

I've never really understood the comments about the Z4M being tricky to drive. Leave the DCS on and it's as easy as a Nissan Micra. Ok it's a different story with it off, in the wet. But nobody is forcing you to turn it off!

The DSC isn't the issue with the Z4M(although I did prefer it all off because it is a very intrusive/old system), it is the unpredictability of the suspension/ride/chassis for me. If you drive it very quickly across a bumpy road you never really know what it will do, and the suspension is so unforgiving that it made me very nervous of it.

My Cerbera communicated far more to me about what it was going to do, and I could read it and react accordingly. The Z4M just didn't do that for me, yet the E92 M3 that I had after the Z4M was another car that communicated well to me I thought. So for me the Z4M is flawed, and that is plain and simple in my eyes.

[Water Fairy]

Argleton said:

Water Fairy said:

I stopped reading once I saw the TT as the 1st choice.

The TT is a sports car in the same way a huge 5dr BMW X6 is a 'coupe'.

[ddom]

rockin said:

Whereas there are many sports car buyers who understand that a real sports car,

• Doesn't have a mandatory fixed roof
• Doesn't have a mandatory automatic gearbox
• Doesn't have four seats.

What a bunch of crap.

Add to the list, not a bloated GT

[Sporky]

rockin said:

Whereas there are many sports car buyers who understand that a real sports car,

• Doesn't have a mandatory fixed roof
• Doesn't have a mandatory automatic gearbox
• Doesn't have four seats.

This is all cork sniffing.

[CABC]

lee_erm said:

I've never really understood the comments about the Z4M being tricky to drive. Leave the DCS on and it's as easy as a Nissan Micra. Ok it's a different story with it off, in the wet. But nobody is forcing you to turn it off!

Worth highlighting this post for what is wrong with ph.

[james_zy]

CABC said:

lee_erm said:

I've never really understood the comments about the Z4M being tricky to drive. Leave the DCS on and it's as easy as a Nissan Micra. Ok it's a different story with it off, in the wet. But nobody is forcing you to turn it off!

Worth highlighting this post for what is wrong with ph.

Agreed. Especially when the traction control in the Z4 (and Z4M) is such a nanny.

[EggsBenedict]

Sporky said:

This is all cork sniffing.

No it's not.

Things need definitions. Otherwise my 3.0 Audi A4 Convertible Sport is a sports car.

He might not be correct, but he's not saying that the cars in the article are crap because they have roofs, he's just saying they're not sports cars.