RE: BMW M confirms EV for 2021

RE: BMW M confirms EV for 2021

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kiseca

9,339 posts

231 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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GT119 said:
kiseca said:
We think it's ugly and we're saying so. What's so hard to understand about that?
It’s more than that though isn’t it. The whole BMW bashing thing has been a thing on here for as long as I can remember. Like frozen sausages it’s now just tedious.
Name a brand... It's the same for all of them, no reason why BMW should be exempt smile

EDIT: I will say this: If, when they release the pictures, I think it has a nice face, I'll say as much on this thread or that one. It will be a pleasant surprise.





Edited by kiseca on Tuesday 19th January 14:29

CrunkleFloop

779 posts

257 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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It really is a disgusting shape, shame as I've enjoyed serveral BMW's over the years.

GT119

7,881 posts

184 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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CrunkleFloop said:


It really is a disgusting shape, shame as I've enjoyed serveral BMW's over the years.
Yawn

anonymous-user

66 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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CrunkleFloop said:
It really is a disgusting shape, shame as I've enjoyed serveral BMW's over the years.
Wait, you have pictures of this new fully electric M model? Could you share them please so some of the other fools on this thread can confirm or revise their stance vis a vis its' looks?

anonymous-user

66 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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I don’t think an M EV could be too bad. Porsche has already shown us they can make a great drivers EV (Taycan Turbo S) so why is it any different if BMW M can make a powersliding dynamically great EV beneath the ugly as sin body? The F8x series was not exactly an amazing sound and I’m sure BMW could come up with an electrified engine sound. Porsche did a good job.



As a real world proposition, my money would go on Porsche rather than Tesla - away from the whole battery tech, the Porsche to me is a more important proposition. A car is more than a sum of its parts, the Tesla doesn’t really appeal to me as car outside of the battery tech and speed. And the Taycan definitely has speed and finesse covered


Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 19th January 14:48

aston addict

454 posts

170 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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kiseca said:
GT119 said:
aston addict said:
pacdes said:
GT119 said:
I'd really like someone to explain to me what all the fuss is about.

It's a BMW, it's going have double kidney grilles, that you can just about bet your life on.

Three option:
1. Slim/tall kidney grilles (as seen on early BMWs).
2. Wide/flat kidney grilles over a separate mouth (done to death over the last 50 years).
3. Tall/wide kidney grilles.

Option 2 on a modern EV ends up looking exactly like the the iX3, obviously.
This is bland and unadventurous.

Therefore the only remain choice is option 3, what you see on the iX.
It's not exactly rocket science.
The problem is that the kidney's do not integrate with the rest of the front very well. Lexus have a large grill, Alpha and old BMW's had a portrait grill which all integrated better. I also think that if the grill was not an issue then there would be more negative comments about the bland side profile and let's not get onto the interiors. For a £70k plus car it just misses the mark. The back is nice though.
You’re spot on. The front - well enough said - but looking at the rear 3/4 view in that yellow - it just looks horrible - fat, bloaty and not a patch on previous designs.
M division sales last year saw huge increases in Russia, Korea and Italy and demand remains strong is the USA. It seems that a lot of posters on here still think that the car buying centre of the universe is a small village in Norfolk. The cars look the way they do because that's what the majority of the new car buying market wants, why is this so hard to understand.
We think it's ugly and we're saying so. What's so hard to understand about that?
Sales are high because prices are heavily discounted, End of.

Patrick Bateman

12,542 posts

186 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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GT119 said:
It’s more than that though isn’t it. The whole BMW bashing thing has been a thing on here for as long as I can remember. Like frozen sausages it’s now just tedious.
Some of us actually remember when almost all the BMW line-up looked good.

Design turgid st and you can expect constant bashing. Rightfully so, they've properly lost the plot on a lot of cars in recent years.

Leon R

3,413 posts

108 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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MX-6 said:
Leon R said:
MX-6 said:
Interesting that M cars have been selling so well, I guess it shows the continuing and perhaps increasing divide between rich and poor in the 21st century.
How does more expensive cars selling to more people point to an increasing divide between the rich and the poor?
While at the bottom quite a lot of people seem to feel that the value of their wages maybe haven't kept up with inflation and their ability to buy things like new cars and houses has diminished, relatively speaking.
Yet more people than ever have an expansive M car on the drive?

rampageturke

2,622 posts

174 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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trying to follow some of the quote chains in this thread is like pulling teeth

big_rob_sydney

3,568 posts

206 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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pacdes said:
GT119 said:
I'd really like someone to explain to me what all the fuss is about.

It's a BMW, it's going have double kidney grilles, that you can just about bet your life on.

Three option:
1. Slim/tall kidney grilles (as seen on early BMWs).
2. Wide/flat kidney grilles over a separate mouth (done to death over the last 50 years).
3. Tall/wide kidney grilles.

Option 2 on a modern EV ends up looking exactly like the the iX3, obviously.
This is bland and unadventurous.

Therefore the only remain choice is option 3, what you see on the iX.
It's not exactly rocket science.
The problem is that the kidney's do not integrate with the rest of the front very well. Lexus have a large grill, Alpha and old BMW's had a portrait grill which all integrated better. I also think that if the grill was not an issue then there would be more negative comments about the bland side profile and let's not get onto the interiors. For a £70k plus car it just misses the mark. The back is nice though.
Hilarious that the bar is set at Lexus here, and that the mighty BMW appears to fall below that. My, how the mighty have fallen!

CrunkleFloop

779 posts

257 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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GT119 said:
Yawn
I know hehe That's why I did it.

Edited by CrunkleFloop on Tuesday 19th January 15:38

LuS1fer

42,195 posts

257 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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What is that thing in the middle that looks like someone used a rusty screw to hold the front on?

Whatever it is, surely it would be better hidden in the grille where people will avert their gaze.

AmyRichardson

1,650 posts

54 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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RemarkLima said:
The fact M division sales is up seems to be a bit of a cheat right?

It now includes the X5 and X6 Ms, and the M440 ones and a bunch of other "warm" variants... I wonder how they compare only on the full fat M cars?
BMW M have clearly missed a trick. If only they'd had the audacity to put an M and a little rainbow on every 216d and bog-standard Mini they could have sold 2.5m cars in 2019, rather than the pitifully small number they actually did sell.

anonymous-user

66 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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LuS1fer said:
What is that thing in the middle that looks like someone used a rusty screw to hold the front on?

Whatever it is, surely it would be better hidden in the grille where people will avert their gaze.
It’s a camera.

But now I can’t unsee it. It makes the front even uglier. Was this even possible?

It looks like an ugly wart.

CrunkleFloop

779 posts

257 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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sleepera6 said:
It’s a camera.

But now I can’t unsee it. It makes the front even uglier. Was this even possible?

It looks like an ugly wart.
A camera.... for looking out front.... because a windscreen is just too last century?

kiseca

9,339 posts

231 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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CrunkleFloop said:
sleepera6 said:
It’s a camera.

But now I can’t unsee it. It makes the front even uglier. Was this even possible?

It looks like an ugly wart.
A camera.... for looking out front.... because a windscreen is just too last century?
If they can do away with the windscreen, they can make the kidney grilles bigger!

forrestgrump

1,539 posts

203 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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CrunkleFloop said:
sleepera6 said:
It’s a camera.

But now I can’t unsee it. It makes the front even uglier. Was this even possible?

It looks like an ugly wart.
A camera.... for looking out front.... because a windscreen is just too last century?
It takes pictures every 45 seconds and uploads them directly to your social media.

MX-6

5,987 posts

225 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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Leon R said:
MX-6 said:
Leon R said:
MX-6 said:
Interesting that M cars have been selling so well, I guess it shows the continuing and perhaps increasing divide between rich and poor in the 21st century.
How does more expensive cars selling to more people point to an increasing divide between the rich and the poor?
While at the bottom quite a lot of people seem to feel that the value of their wages maybe haven't kept up with inflation and their ability to buy things like new cars and houses has diminished, relatively speaking.
Yet more people than ever have an expansive M car on the drive?
Generally my point is that wealth inequality in the UK today seems relatively high. Are you disagreeing?

Veeayt

3,139 posts

217 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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It's not the first time they did it though

jjwilde

1,904 posts

108 months

Tuesday 19th January 2021
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rampageturke said:
the range will still be under 200mile.
I doubt it, the new Model S this year is going to have a 520mile range. BMW will have to compete.