RE: BMW M confirms EV for 2021

[jjwilde]

rampageturke said:

the range will still be under 200mile.

I doubt it, the new Model S this year is going to have a 520mile range. BMW will have to compete.

[stuart100]

MX-6 said:

Leon R said:

MX-6 said:

Interesting that M cars have been selling so well, I guess it shows the continuing and perhaps increasing divide between rich and poor in the 21st century.

How does more expensive cars selling to more people point to an increasing divide between the rich and the poor?

I could be wrong but as with other luxury goods and assets there just seems to have been an inflation in price and quantity at the top end of things. Regarding cars, it seems that every other day a new zillion pound hypercar is anounced. While at the bottom quite a lot of people seem to feel that the value of their wages maybe haven't kept up with inflation and their ability to buy things like new cars and houses has diminished, relatively speaking.

I don’t think these are crazy money. When compared to the E46 M3 released in about 2000/2001. I think it’s more about exchange rates here in the UK; not BMW charging a lot more. The pound is much weaker against the Euro now. Back in 2000 it was strong. The £ to Euro was £1:€1.70. So:

E46 M3 list was about £42,000 to us

In Euros at 1.70 was €71,400 to BMW

This new M3 or M4 is say £75,000 to us now

At the 2000 rate of 1.70 would be €127,500 to BMW now

Convert the $127,500 at the current £1:€1.12 the cost would be £113,839 to us now. So a lot more due largely due to a worse exchange rate

Inputting the £42k 2000 price in the BOE calculator gives £71k (to 2019). So on this measure £113,839 is a big jump.

But using the inflation calculator and using it for the Euro currency the €71,400 in 2000 would be $121,086 today. Less than the £113,839 above.

Also £75k converted at 1:12 is now is €84k to BMW now. Against the €71,400 is only a 18% increase in nearly 20 years. So less than inflation.

So the main point is we have a much worse exchange rate. BMW work in Euros. If we didn’t have Brexit the sums would not look so bad!

[dunnoreally]

It's weird how personally people seem to be taking BMW's new design language. The defenders, as well as the detractors.

[Leon R]

MX-6 said:

Leon R said:

MX-6 said:

Leon R said:

MX-6 said:

Interesting that M cars have been selling so well, I guess it shows the continuing and perhaps increasing divide between rich and poor in the 21st century.

How does more expensive cars selling to more people point to an increasing divide between the rich and the poor?

While at the bottom quite a lot of people seem to feel that the value of their wages maybe haven't kept up with inflation and their ability to buy things like new cars and houses has diminished, relatively speaking.

Yet more people than ever have an expansive M car on the drive?

Generally my point is that wealth inequality in the UK today seems relatively high. Are you disagreeing?

No but I am not sure how more people being able to have more expensive cars is evidence for an increase in wealth inequality.

[anonymous-user]

forrestgrump said:

CrunkleFloop said:

sleepera6 said:

It’s a camera.

But now I can’t unsee it. It makes the front even uglier. Was this even possible?

It looks like an ugly wart.

A camera.... for looking out front.... because a windscreen is just too last century?

It takes pictures every 45 seconds and uploads them directly to your social media.

Actually, I think it might be some sort of radar for the adaptive cruise control.

[Court_S]

The spinner of plates said:

I guess one opportunity of not having an ICE is there’s less need for a front grille...

It’ll still have one though to maintain the corporate face only this time it’ll have loads of bright blue accents. Yay.

[rampageturke]

jjwilde said:

I doubt it, the new Model S this year is going to have a 520mile range. BMW will have to compete.

Yeah, tesla might not have the build quality or customer service, but they have a big range and battery advantage, and that matters a lot more than people (even EV fanatics) want to believe. But I think even BMW will miss the mark on this front, most other companies seem to be doing so, because they haven't been concentrating and have been dumping money in the wrong areas.

[MX-6]

Leon R said:

No but I am not sure how more people being able to have more expensive cars is evidence for an increase in wealth inequality.

Well I wouldn't say that it constitutes "evidence", it's more like I'm seeing it as something of a symptom.

[danp]

Seeing as the regular iX and i4 aren’t out yet I’d have thought it’ll be based on the iX3, that’s a bit under 7 secs to 60 so they have plenty of opportunity to make it faster.

Unless of course they use the i3!

[Water Fairy]

Court_S said:

The spinner of plates said:

I guess one opportunity of not having an ICE is there’s less need for a front grille...

It’ll still have one though to maintain the corporate face only this time it’ll have loads of bright blue accents. Yay.

Saw one for the first time out and about the other day. In black it helped disguise that face but it still looked like a buck toothed beaver

[SWoll]

danp said:

Seeing as the regular iX and i4 aren’t out yet I’d have thought it’ll be based on the iX3, that’s a bit under 7 secs to 60 so they have plenty of opportunity to make it faster.

Unless of course they use the i3!

It's going to be the i4 with an M badge I reckon. Probably realised they can't have a non M badge car with 500bhp+ and better performance figures than the new M3 launching in the same year.

What's the betting it'll cost £85k+ and a direct competitor for the Taycan 4S?

[Cheggers]

Wow can't wait to see all the fanfare. Much marketing hubbub will be made about this remarkable 2.4 tonne "M" car with 600 bhp and 280 mile "range" which will really equate to 190 miles.

[kiseca]

Water Fairy said:

Court_S said:

The spinner of plates said:

I guess one opportunity of not having an ICE is there’s less need for a front grille...

It’ll still have one though to maintain the corporate face only this time it’ll have loads of bright blue accents. Yay.

Saw one for the first time out and about the other day. In black it helped disguise that face but it still looked like a buck toothed beaver

They can manage to combine daring design, good looks and a kidney grille that doesn't ruin it all, in the same car. Maybe they will manage again.

[anonymous-user]

Cheggers said:

Wow can't wait to see all the fanfare. Much marketing hubbub will be made about this remarkable 2.4 tonne "M" car with 600 bhp and 280 mile "range" which will really equate to 190 miles.

Source?

Or are you another one that is condemning this before you have any detail whatsoever?

It's getting very tedious.

[Gary C]

kiseca said:

They can manage to combine daring design, good looks and a kidney grille that doesn't ruin it all, in the same car. Maybe they will manage again.

yes that was a good looking car

Apart from the 911 being pushed out its arse.

[kiseca]

Gary C said:

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Apart from the 911 being pushed out its arse.

That part was fine until someone first mentioned it

[thecremeegg]

had ham said:

Source?

Or are you another one that is condemning this before you have any detail whatsoever?

It's getting very tedious.

Why is it tedious? People are fed up with BMW and other manufacturers butchering their designs, creating electric cars with appalling real-life range and generally not giving us much to praise. BMWs used to be good looking drivers cars, they're now almost entirely ugly and no better to drive than any other brand. That, plus the fact nobody other than Tesla (and Kia) seems to be able to make an electric car with a range that's practical means that we're sure as hell going to be expecting it to be a big, ugly, impractical turd of a car.

[anonymous-user]

I don't dispute much of what you say.

What is getting tedious is the fact so many people are condemning this new electric M without any detail or insight whatsoever.

It may well address many of your concerns, it could be a massive leap forward beyond that, or it may just be st.

The truth is, none of us know, do we?

But that doesn't stop folk telling us all it will be st.

[Court_S]

kiseca said:

They can manage to combine daring design, good looks and a kidney grille that doesn't ruin it all, in the same car. Maybe they will manage again.

Yup. They can do it.

Personally I thought the i8 was / is a great looking car.

[thecremeegg]

had ham said:

I don't dispute much of what you say.

What is getting tedious is the fact so many people are condemning this new electric M without any detail or insight whatsoever.

It may well address many of your concerns, it could be a massive leap forward beyond that, or it may just be st.

The truth is, none of us know, do we?

But that doesn't stop folk telling us all it will be st.

So we all need to assume it's going to be good then? Why is that any more beneficial than assuming it's going to be crap? Nobody knows, it's speculation either way. You can tell us how good it'll be, that's fine, but we have the right to say it'll be crap