ANPR - Have Your Say

ANPR - Have Your Say

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deckster

5,807 posts

219 months

Monday 15th February
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OpulentBob said:
The slow, quiet transition to "We have now integrated average speed checking availability within the ANPR network" would be the only thing to concern me.

We (in the traffic industry) already use ANPR for origin/destination surveys, and journey time monitoring, so it wouldn't be a big (technical) step.

Tinfoil hats, don't speed, blah blah, something something.
There are many perfectly reasonable and highly powerful objections to blanket ANPR and vehicle tracking.

"It stops me from driving my car quickly" is surely the weakest of them.

Boosted LS1

19,704 posts

224 months

Monday 15th February
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I've seen new camera's popping up on polls near my town. They have 2 lenses side by side and I figured they're a new rash of ANPR. I think it's a useful tool but should be limited to uninsured cars or cars with 'markers' on them.

LunarOne

1,918 posts

101 months

Monday 15th February
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
LunarOne said:
There was once a thing called civil liberty, and that's gone.
And you probably need to ask the question why.

A sad state of affairs, but I for one would trade this in for more safety. I guess you can't have both.
Why? Because
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Completed it.

Need ANPR on every corner. That'd work for me.

Trevor555

2,674 posts

48 months

Monday 15th February
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Benbay001 said:
Police - "Thanks to the positive feedback about ANPR, we have decided to install ANPR with speed monitoring on every road in the county"
This will happen at one point in the future anyway for sure.

And road pricing is coming as well?

If ANPR was on every road it'd catch the cloned platers?

The bit about passing the information to private companies worries me. That's surely a question about collating info for roads charging.

I think that might come sooner than we all think.

Every day a journey

395 posts

2 months

Monday 15th February
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untakenname said:
They use ANPR with point to point cameras across vast distances in Australia to police highways, expect similar here for every long distance journey before too long.
Blast it....stop for lunch and a seven pints and a bottle of wine, three or four hours should do, then blast.

Sorted.



saaby93

28,003 posts

142 months

Monday 15th February
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Boosted LS1 said:
I've seen new camera's popping up on polls near my town. They have 2 lenses side by side and I figured they're a new rash of ANPR. I think it's a useful tool but should be limited to uninsured cars or cars with 'markers' on them.
Didnt this type of thing always create more uses.

The expert criminals will organise numberplate/ car swaps

hucumber

1,391 posts

61 months

Monday 15th February
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
And you probably need to ask the question why.

A sad state of affairs, but I for one would trade this in for more safety. I guess you can't have both.
This country isn't so unsafe that everyone needs to be tracked and logged every time they go for a drive

Every day a journey

395 posts

2 months

Monday 15th February
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hucumber said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
And you probably need to ask the question why.

A sad state of affairs, but I for one would trade this in for more safety. I guess you can't have both.
This country isn't so unsafe that everyone needs to be tracked and logged every time they go for a drive
We're tracked and logged every time we walk through a town or a city?

The UK has more CCTV cameras per capita than any other country in the world. I could be worng but there is something like six cameras for every single person (children included) in the UK



mygoldfishbowl

3,343 posts

107 months

Monday 15th February
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Cold said:
You were 7.5 miles from your home. Here's a covid fine.
"The group of around 25 police officers used ANPR during the routine exercise, pulling cars over and speaking to drivers through the window"

"One Fixed Penalty Notice was issued for a coronavirus lockdown breach"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9259767/P...

Gareth79

5,534 posts

210 months

Monday 15th February
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cslwannabe said:
Great idea however the hardened crims, like my neighbour, just don’t update the V5 when they buy cars / vans which allows them to never bother paying road tax (over a year in some cases). They know unless they get pulled over, they will be ok.
Anybody doing serious crime will also either have cloned plates or just use hire cars.

hucumber

1,391 posts

61 months

Monday 15th February
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Every day a journey said:
hucumber said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
And you probably need to ask the question why.

A sad state of affairs, but I for one would trade this in for more safety. I guess you can't have both.
This country isn't so unsafe that everyone needs to be tracked and logged every time they go for a drive
We're tracked and logged every time we walk through a town or a city?

The UK has more CCTV cameras per capita than any other country in the world. I could be worng but there is something like six cameras for every single person (children included) in the UK
Theres a lot more to this country than towns or cities.

deckster

5,807 posts

219 months

Monday 15th February
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Every day a journey said:
We're tracked and logged every time we walk through a town or a city?

The UK has more CCTV cameras per capita than any other country in the world. I could be worng but there is something like six cameras for every single person (children included) in the UK
You're wrong on both counts.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+cctv+came...

Every day a journey

395 posts

2 months

Monday 15th February
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mygoldfishbowl said:
Cold said:
You were 7.5 miles from your home. Here's a covid fine.
"The group of around 25 police officers used ANPR during the routine exercise, pulling cars over and speaking to drivers through the window"

"One Fixed Penalty Notice was issued for a coronavirus lockdown breach"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9259767/P...
Just last weekend I was pulled over heading into Dorset who have, quite rightly been quite strict.

Helping a friend move from Sussex to Dorset so that was perfectly justifiable. ANPR set up just further up the road, Sussex plates, got pulled. They knew.

It took all of 5 minutes out of my day.

I'm still all for ANPR.

Smiljan

8,764 posts

161 months

Monday 15th February
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Every day a journey said:
Back in 2007 my beloved car was stolen.

3 days later it 'pinged' the ANPR camera going into Toddington Services.

The thief paid for pretrol (who the hell fuels up at motorway prices???) and then as he entered the entry slip back onto the M1 he was met with a three car stop.

I got my beloved car back.

He went to prison.

I like ANPR.
He went to prison for stealing a car eek normally get community service or a fine they'll never pay.

Trevor555

2,674 posts

48 months

Monday 15th February
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hucumber said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
And you probably need to ask the question why.

A sad state of affairs, but I for one would trade this in for more safety. I guess you can't have both.
This country isn't so unsafe that everyone needs to be tracked and logged every time they go for a drive
Hence one of the questions on how long they can hold onto the data.

I learnt over the years that many of the "failing to stop" incidents were drivers who were uninsured, or over the drink limit. And nowadays add cloned plates to that.

So anything to get uninsured drivers, as well as the plate cloners, has to be as good thing?

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

26,309 posts

199 months

Monday 15th February
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I have to confess....

......spent many years earning my living from CCTV installation hehe

kambites

61,056 posts

185 months

Monday 15th February
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I'd be fascinated to see the relationship between support for ANPR and age. I suspect there's a strong correlation.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

26,309 posts

199 months

Monday 15th February
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kambites said:
I'd be fascinated to see the relationship between support for ANPR and age. I suspect there's a strong correlation.
I bet you are correct. The older you get the more you understand.

Marcq

60 posts

61 months

Monday 15th February
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If you're really clever in your data analysis, surely cloned plates won't work if Anpr is everywhere? If you see the original car in Cambridge, and twenty minutes later the plate pings in Oxford, the police can then pull both cars and arrest the crims?

kambites

61,056 posts

185 months

Monday 15th February
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Every day a journey said:
The UK has more CCTV cameras per capita than any other country in the world. I could be worng but there is something like six cameras for every single person (children included) in the UK
British Security Industry Association said:
A report published by the British Security Industry Association (BSIA) estimates that the total number of CCTV cameras in the UK stands at somewhere between 4 million and 6 million. That's around 7.5 cameras for every 100 people in the country – the third-highest total on the planet behind the US and China
So yes, you are wrong on both counts.